comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 3 minutes ago
You might be in for a shock. The man was elected mayor of London twice despite the place being over run by moronic lefties. He's extremely intelligent and has always polled will with the working class and those right of centre.
Despite this forum being full of SJWs and socialists the majority of the country is still Conservative, and I mean actually Conservative not Rory "cucky lib dem" Conservative. I think he'll be a huge success despite the nonsense the left wing papers and media will throw at him.
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Thank you.
Londoners are so up their arris they can't see the trees for the woods.
Any party that delivers Brexit will have a comfortable majority at the next general election.
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Therin lies the problem. As things stand Brexit is undeliverable.
If it ever does occur, as set out in the WA the UK will still be aligned with practically all of the EU aquis, and customs policy.
But without a voice/influence in shaping the regulatory framework it is bound by.
Not quite taking back control.
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To you it is undeliverable because you refuse to accept the democratic wish of the majority.
If the current parliament fails to deliver Brexit, they will be replaced by those who will get the job done.
You make it sound like this is one 3rd rate country that is unable to govern itselt.
We will still trade with the EU. But we don't want to belong to their political union.
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It is undeliverable because no-one (bar a select few) gave any thought to NI/Ireland.
It is impossible to maintain Strand 2 of the GFA and have NI and ROI in two separate regulatory and customs entities.
Of course the headbangers will refer to tech (that has yet to be invented etc and impossible as per no infrastructure commitments by both parties) but when they are challenged by details and specifics (for three years now) they have no answers. Because there aren't any.
And if tech (alternative arrangements, Malthouse etc etc) were in any way achievable, there would be no need for the backstop protocol the headbangers are so adverse to.
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Well, we have already stated that we will not put up any border in NI.
So, let the EU do whats best for them in Republic of Ireland.
While you are here stating that its not possible, the EU are already testing a tech solution for that border.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 5 minutes ago
Brexit means Brexit.
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"obligation of WTO obligations"
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
It was never that great to be honest.
And you’re the spineless quitter remember, not me.
WTO means instant trade barriers, tariffs, and a hard border.
Like I said, learn the basics.
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Bilateral agreement would get rid of the so called barrier.
But how did Canada, Japan etc survived prior to signing a trade deal with the EU?
We import more from them. Any tariff would bring more money to us than for them.
I personally would like to get a free trade deal with the EU but not political union.
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 3 minutes ago
You might be in for a shock. The man was elected mayor of London twice despite the place being over run by moronic lefties. He's extremely intelligent and has always polled will with the working class and those right of centre.
Despite this forum being full of SJWs and socialists the majority of the country is still Conservative, and I mean actually Conservative not Rory "cucky lib dem" Conservative. I think he'll be a huge success despite the nonsense the left wing papers and media will throw at him.
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Thank you.
Londoners are so up their arris they can't see the trees for the woods.
Any party that delivers Brexit will have a comfortable majority at the next general election.
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Therin lies the problem. As things stand Brexit is undeliverable.
If it ever does occur, as set out in the WA the UK will still be aligned with practically all of the EU aquis, and customs policy.
But without a voice/influence in shaping the regulatory framework it is bound by.
Not quite taking back control.
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To you it is undeliverable because you refuse to accept the democratic wish of the majority.
If the current parliament fails to deliver Brexit, they will be replaced by those who will get the job done.
You make it sound like this is one 3rd rate country that is unable to govern itselt.
We will still trade with the EU. But we don't want to belong to their political union.
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It is undeliverable because no-one (bar a select few) gave any thought to NI/Ireland.
It is impossible to maintain Strand 2 of the GFA and have NI and ROI in two separate regulatory and customs entities.
Of course the headbangers will refer to tech (that has yet to be invented etc and impossible as per no infrastructure commitments by both parties) but when they are challenged by details and specifics (for three years now) they have no answers. Because there aren't any.
And if tech (alternative arrangements, Malthouse etc etc) were in any way achievable, there would be no need for the backstop protocol the headbangers are so adverse to.
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Well, we have already stated that we will not put up any border in NI.
So, let the EU do whats best for them in Republic of Ireland.
While you are here stating that its not possible, the EU are already testing a tech solution for that border.
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Again, this is inaccurate as no such tech exists. If it did tech firms would be queuing up for the tender. They're not.
Furthermore CCTV cameras cannot scan inside containers, boxes crates etc nor into the back of lorries etc to determine whether transited goods can be considered domestic or not.
CCTV also does not cater for TRQ (tariff rate quotas). As such if there was no border checks, the island of Ireland would become a conduit for illegal dumping (as well as trafficking/smuggling).
Then we move on to SPS checks which require agri-foods and perishables to be checked.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/customs-controls/safety-health-environment-customs-controls/sanitary-phytosanitary-requirements_en
For further reading please see:
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1141469346163810306?s=19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Brexiters had their opportunity and they blew it.
The withdrawal agreement was the best (and only) chance you were ever going to get.
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We still can walk away without any deal.
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Brilliant
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Well, we are doing very well with the USA today without any trade deal. Not sure what your smiley is all about.
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It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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It’s like debating with a deranged cult, which lets face it, is what it is.
Our Sovereign Parliament (Tories included) will bring down any Government that even attempts a suicidal no deal.
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I think its the Remainers who have been acting like a cult.
The EU has caused so much damage to this country for decades. Tony Benn was against it. Many prominent Labour politicians were against it. The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
But you don't see anything wrong in this. It is the evil Brexiters who want the best for their country that are behaving like a cult.
Well done.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
Some misunderstanding in regard to the WTO.
All developed countries (164 members) already trade under their WTO commitments. They are the absolute baseline. Countries come together to negotiate to enhance their trading relationships (improve on their baseline WTO obligations).
The principle obligation of WTO obligations is MFN (non-discriminatory). Which means if (outside a free trade area/preferential trading relationship) a country treats another member in a certain way (say waives tariffs) it has to do so for all other WTO members.
Which is where the Brexiteer cheaper produce outside of the EU falls apart.
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And you think work has not been going on behind the scenes to adress some of the issues you raised here?
Did you read about the trade agreement signed recently with South Korea for example?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
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Can you actually back all this up?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Where did you get that from?
The WA which May negotiated is not acceptable.
If the EU refuse to renegotiate a new deal, then we are left with no choice but to leave without any agreement.
If that happens, then our energy could then be spent adressing any fallout from leaving without a deal.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Brexiters had their opportunity and they blew it.
The withdrawal agreement was the best (and only) chance you were ever going to get.
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We still can walk away without any deal.
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Brilliant
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Well, we are doing very well with the USA today without any trade deal. Not sure what your smiley is all about.
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It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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It’s like debating with a deranged cult, which lets face it, is what it is.
Our Sovereign Parliament (Tories included) will bring down any Government that even attempts a suicidal no deal.
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I think its the Remainers who have been acting like a cult.
The EU has caused so much damage to this country for decades. Tony Benn was against it. Many prominent Labour politicians were against it. The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
But you don't see anything wrong in this. It is the evil Brexiters who want the best for their country that are behaving like a cult.
Well done.
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Poppycock.
The EU has provided 70 years of Peace, Prosperity, Rights, Freedoms and Citizenship for Europe and her people. Before we went in Britain was known as the sick dog of Europe that had to go grovelling to the IMF for bailouts.
Within we pay £9Billion for £661Billion in exports. That’s what being a member of the most sophisticated and successful trading block on the planet gets you.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
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If we walk away, a solution will be found quickly that will benefit both parties.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
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If we walk away, a solution will be found quickly that will benefit both parties.
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What utter f*cking drivel
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
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Says who?
And I'm referring to your last sentence.
Will the food and life saving medicine be arriving by flying unicorn?
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
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Can you actually back all this up?
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British steel has been all over the news in recent weeks.
Common Fisheries policy means we are not in control of our waters.
Many companies have been closed down and given EU grants to relocate to Eastern Europe. Try google for details.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Brexiters had their opportunity and they blew it.
The withdrawal agreement was the best (and only) chance you were ever going to get.
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We still can walk away without any deal.
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Brilliant
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Well, we are doing very well with the USA today without any trade deal. Not sure what your smiley is all about.
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It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s like debating with a deranged cult, which lets face it, is what it is.
Our Sovereign Parliament (Tories included) will bring down any Government that even attempts a suicidal no deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think its the Remainers who have been acting like a cult.
The EU has caused so much damage to this country for decades. Tony Benn was against it. Many prominent Labour politicians were against it. The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
But you don't see anything wrong in this. It is the evil Brexiters who want the best for their country that are behaving like a cult.
Well done.
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Poppycock.
The EU has provided 70 years of Peace, Prosperity, Rights, Freedoms and Citizenship for Europe and her people. Before we went in Britain was known as the sick dog of Europe that had to go grovelling to the IMF for bailouts.
Within we pay £9Billion for £661Billion in exports. That’s what being a member of the most sophisticated and successful trading block on the planet gets you.
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Not correct.
We joined the EU in 1975.
Was there any war between 1945 and 1975?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Will the food and life saving medicine be arriving by flying unicorn?
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What do you think will happen?
You think the EU would suddenly manufacture another market for their products?
And do you realise if the EU refuse to sell to us, we can get the food/medicine from alternative suppliers?
We survived the 2nd world war when the German U Boats were targeting our shipping supply line. And you think we will not be able to bring medicine across the border from a peaceful neighbour?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
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Can you actually back all this up?
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British steel has been all over the news in recent weeks.
Common Fisheries policy means we are not in control of our waters.
Many companies have been closed down and given EU grants to relocate to Eastern Europe. Try google for details.
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Sorry, who gives s flying fack about our bloody fishing waters?!!
The U.K. fishing industry is worth a measly 0.07% GDP, literally a drop in the ocean, and the only reason that the EU had to step in was because our greedy fisherman over fished.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Where did you get that from?
The WA which May negotiated is not acceptable.
If the EU refuse to renegotiate a new deal, then we are left with no choice but to leave without any agreement.
If that happens, then our energy could then be spent adressing any fallout from leaving without a deal.
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Because when the reality hits home (assuming a government is stupid enough to carry it out) the UK will have to return to the EU (from a position of desperation) asking for their support.
The first thing that will be presented to the government will be the WA, a commitment on citizens rights, the Irish border, and financial settlement.
You should read some of the government's own preparedness notices (which incidentally has since been shelved) in regard to a no deal outcome. They make for grim reading.
And as for British Steel, they literally cited Brexit for a reason for their demise, along with Honda, Nissan, Jaguar Land-rover and all the other car manufacturers shutting shop and buggering off to mainland Europe, taking all the jobs with them.
Single Market is everything.
https://costofbrexit.netlify.com/
The Brexit Cost calculator.
Read it and weep.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Will the food and life saving medicine be arriving by flying unicorn?
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What do you think will happen?
You think the EU would suddenly manufacture another market for their products?
And do you realise if the EU refuse to sell to us, we can get the food/medicine from alternative suppliers?
We survived the 2nd world war when the German U Boats were targeting our shipping supply line. And you think we will not be able to bring medicine across the border from a peaceful neighbour?
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How do we import radioactive isotopes used to treat cancer patients from thousands of miles away when they only have a shelf life of a few hours?
Geography is one of Brexit's biggest enemies aside from reality.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 3 minutes ago
You might be in for a shock. The man was elected mayor of London twice despite the place being over run by moronic lefties. He's extremely intelligent and has always polled will with the working class and those right of centre.
Despite this forum being full of SJWs and socialists the majority of the country is still Conservative, and I mean actually Conservative not Rory "cucky lib dem" Conservative. I think he'll be a huge success despite the nonsense the left wing papers and media will throw at him.
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Thank you.
Londoners are so up their arris they can't see the trees for the woods.
Any party that delivers Brexit will have a comfortable majority at the next general election.
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Therin lies the problem. As things stand Brexit is undeliverable.
If it ever does occur, as set out in the WA the UK will still be aligned with practically all of the EU aquis, and customs policy.
But without a voice/influence in shaping the regulatory framework it is bound by.
Not quite taking back control.
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To you it is undeliverable because you refuse to accept the democratic wish of the majority.
If the current parliament fails to deliver Brexit, they will be replaced by those who will get the job done.
You make it sound like this is one 3rd rate country that is unable to govern itselt.
We will still trade with the EU. But we don't want to belong to their political union.
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It is undeliverable because no-one (bar a select few) gave any thought to NI/Ireland.
It is impossible to maintain Strand 2 of the GFA and have NI and ROI in two separate regulatory and customs entities.
Of course the headbangers will refer to tech (that has yet to be invented etc and impossible as per no infrastructure commitments by both parties) but when they are challenged by details and specifics (for three years now) they have no answers. Because there aren't any.
And if tech (alternative arrangements, Malthouse etc etc) were in any way achievable, there would be no need for the backstop protocol the headbangers are so adverse to.
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Well, we have already stated that we will not put up any border in NI.
So, let the EU do whats best for them in Republic of Ireland.
While you are here stating that its not possible, the EU are already testing a tech solution for that border.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 5 minutes ago
Brexit means Brexit.
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posted on 20/6/19
"obligation of WTO obligations"
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
It was never that great to be honest.
And you’re the spineless quitter remember, not me.
WTO means instant trade barriers, tariffs, and a hard border.
Like I said, learn the basics.
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Bilateral agreement would get rid of the so called barrier.
But how did Canada, Japan etc survived prior to signing a trade deal with the EU?
We import more from them. Any tariff would bring more money to us than for them.
I personally would like to get a free trade deal with the EU but not political union.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 3 minutes ago
You might be in for a shock. The man was elected mayor of London twice despite the place being over run by moronic lefties. He's extremely intelligent and has always polled will with the working class and those right of centre.
Despite this forum being full of SJWs and socialists the majority of the country is still Conservative, and I mean actually Conservative not Rory "cucky lib dem" Conservative. I think he'll be a huge success despite the nonsense the left wing papers and media will throw at him.
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Thank you.
Londoners are so up their arris they can't see the trees for the woods.
Any party that delivers Brexit will have a comfortable majority at the next general election.
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Therin lies the problem. As things stand Brexit is undeliverable.
If it ever does occur, as set out in the WA the UK will still be aligned with practically all of the EU aquis, and customs policy.
But without a voice/influence in shaping the regulatory framework it is bound by.
Not quite taking back control.
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To you it is undeliverable because you refuse to accept the democratic wish of the majority.
If the current parliament fails to deliver Brexit, they will be replaced by those who will get the job done.
You make it sound like this is one 3rd rate country that is unable to govern itselt.
We will still trade with the EU. But we don't want to belong to their political union.
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It is undeliverable because no-one (bar a select few) gave any thought to NI/Ireland.
It is impossible to maintain Strand 2 of the GFA and have NI and ROI in two separate regulatory and customs entities.
Of course the headbangers will refer to tech (that has yet to be invented etc and impossible as per no infrastructure commitments by both parties) but when they are challenged by details and specifics (for three years now) they have no answers. Because there aren't any.
And if tech (alternative arrangements, Malthouse etc etc) were in any way achievable, there would be no need for the backstop protocol the headbangers are so adverse to.
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Well, we have already stated that we will not put up any border in NI.
So, let the EU do whats best for them in Republic of Ireland.
While you are here stating that its not possible, the EU are already testing a tech solution for that border.
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Again, this is inaccurate as no such tech exists. If it did tech firms would be queuing up for the tender. They're not.
Furthermore CCTV cameras cannot scan inside containers, boxes crates etc nor into the back of lorries etc to determine whether transited goods can be considered domestic or not.
CCTV also does not cater for TRQ (tariff rate quotas). As such if there was no border checks, the island of Ireland would become a conduit for illegal dumping (as well as trafficking/smuggling).
Then we move on to SPS checks which require agri-foods and perishables to be checked.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/customs-controls/safety-health-environment-customs-controls/sanitary-phytosanitary-requirements_en
For further reading please see:
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1141469346163810306?s=19
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Brexiters had their opportunity and they blew it.
The withdrawal agreement was the best (and only) chance you were ever going to get.
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We still can walk away without any deal.
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Brilliant
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Well, we are doing very well with the USA today without any trade deal. Not sure what your smiley is all about.
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It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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It’s like debating with a deranged cult, which lets face it, is what it is.
Our Sovereign Parliament (Tories included) will bring down any Government that even attempts a suicidal no deal.
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I think its the Remainers who have been acting like a cult.
The EU has caused so much damage to this country for decades. Tony Benn was against it. Many prominent Labour politicians were against it. The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
But you don't see anything wrong in this. It is the evil Brexiters who want the best for their country that are behaving like a cult.
Well done.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 14 minutes ago
Some misunderstanding in regard to the WTO.
All developed countries (164 members) already trade under their WTO commitments. They are the absolute baseline. Countries come together to negotiate to enhance their trading relationships (improve on their baseline WTO obligations).
The principle obligation of WTO obligations is MFN (non-discriminatory). Which means if (outside a free trade area/preferential trading relationship) a country treats another member in a certain way (say waives tariffs) it has to do so for all other WTO members.
Which is where the Brexiteer cheaper produce outside of the EU falls apart.
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And you think work has not been going on behind the scenes to adress some of the issues you raised here?
Did you read about the trade agreement signed recently with South Korea for example?
posted on 20/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
posted on 20/6/19
The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
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Can you actually back all this up?
posted on 20/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Where did you get that from?
The WA which May negotiated is not acceptable.
If the EU refuse to renegotiate a new deal, then we are left with no choice but to leave without any agreement.
If that happens, then our energy could then be spent adressing any fallout from leaving without a deal.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Brexiters had their opportunity and they blew it.
The withdrawal agreement was the best (and only) chance you were ever going to get.
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We still can walk away without any deal.
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Brilliant
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Well, we are doing very well with the USA today without any trade deal. Not sure what your smiley is all about.
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It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s like debating with a deranged cult, which lets face it, is what it is.
Our Sovereign Parliament (Tories included) will bring down any Government that even attempts a suicidal no deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think its the Remainers who have been acting like a cult.
The EU has caused so much damage to this country for decades. Tony Benn was against it. Many prominent Labour politicians were against it. The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
But you don't see anything wrong in this. It is the evil Brexiters who want the best for their country that are behaving like a cult.
Well done.
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Poppycock.
The EU has provided 70 years of Peace, Prosperity, Rights, Freedoms and Citizenship for Europe and her people. Before we went in Britain was known as the sick dog of Europe that had to go grovelling to the IMF for bailouts.
Within we pay £9Billion for £661Billion in exports. That’s what being a member of the most sophisticated and successful trading block on the planet gets you.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
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There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
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If we walk away, a solution will be found quickly that will benefit both parties.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
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If we walk away, a solution will be found quickly that will benefit both parties.
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What utter f*cking drivel
posted on 20/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Should have added the EU set out a number of future relationship models for the UK but we could not agree (parliament) what we wanted, and still cant.
Ceta however is completely unsuitable for the economic needs of the UK. As is any FTA to be honest.
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Says who?
And I'm referring to your last sentence.
posted on 20/6/19
Will the food and life saving medicine be arriving by flying unicorn?
posted on 20/6/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
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Can you actually back all this up?
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British steel has been all over the news in recent weeks.
Common Fisheries policy means we are not in control of our waters.
Many companies have been closed down and given EU grants to relocate to Eastern Europe. Try google for details.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Brexiters had their opportunity and they blew it.
The withdrawal agreement was the best (and only) chance you were ever going to get.
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We still can walk away without any deal.
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Brilliant
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Well, we are doing very well with the USA today without any trade deal. Not sure what your smiley is all about.
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It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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It’s like debating with a deranged cult, which lets face it, is what it is.
Our Sovereign Parliament (Tories included) will bring down any Government that even attempts a suicidal no deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think its the Remainers who have been acting like a cult.
The EU has caused so much damage to this country for decades. Tony Benn was against it. Many prominent Labour politicians were against it. The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
But you don't see anything wrong in this. It is the evil Brexiters who want the best for their country that are behaving like a cult.
Well done.
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Poppycock.
The EU has provided 70 years of Peace, Prosperity, Rights, Freedoms and Citizenship for Europe and her people. Before we went in Britain was known as the sick dog of Europe that had to go grovelling to the IMF for bailouts.
Within we pay £9Billion for £661Billion in exports. That’s what being a member of the most sophisticated and successful trading block on the planet gets you.
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Not correct.
We joined the EU in 1975.
Was there any war between 1945 and 1975?
posted on 20/6/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Will the food and life saving medicine be arriving by flying unicorn?
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What do you think will happen?
You think the EU would suddenly manufacture another market for their products?
And do you realise if the EU refuse to sell to us, we can get the food/medicine from alternative suppliers?
We survived the 2nd world war when the German U Boats were targeting our shipping supply line. And you think we will not be able to bring medicine across the border from a peaceful neighbour?
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
The EU has decimated our industrial base and shipped them to Eastern Europe.
Our govt can't provide help to British Steel because of EU regulation.
Our fishermen can't fish on OUR waters because of EU regulation.
Our light bulbs, vacuum cleaners, working time directive etc. are all being controlled by the EU.
And for these regulations, we have to pay a net of more than £200m every week.
Money that could be spent on our forces or NHS.
-------
Can you actually back all this up?
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British steel has been all over the news in recent weeks.
Common Fisheries policy means we are not in control of our waters.
Many companies have been closed down and given EU grants to relocate to Eastern Europe. Try google for details.
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Sorry, who gives s flying fack about our bloody fishing waters?!!
The U.K. fishing industry is worth a measly 0.07% GDP, literally a drop in the ocean, and the only reason that the EU had to step in was because our greedy fisherman over fished.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
It's a laughing smiley to indicate amusement
It represents how laughable it is that anyone is still trying to argue that a no deal Brexit would be a good thing
Hope that clears things up
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No deal brexit will only become possible if the EU refuse to negotiate a free trade deal. Remember they already offered us something similar in March 2017 but was rejected by May.
It is a sub optimal solution. But compared to May's deal, it is better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There will be no FTA without the WA. The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU.
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Where did you get that from?
The WA which May negotiated is not acceptable.
If the EU refuse to renegotiate a new deal, then we are left with no choice but to leave without any agreement.
If that happens, then our energy could then be spent adressing any fallout from leaving without a deal.
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Because when the reality hits home (assuming a government is stupid enough to carry it out) the UK will have to return to the EU (from a position of desperation) asking for their support.
The first thing that will be presented to the government will be the WA, a commitment on citizens rights, the Irish border, and financial settlement.
You should read some of the government's own preparedness notices (which incidentally has since been shelved) in regard to a no deal outcome. They make for grim reading.
posted on 20/6/19
And as for British Steel, they literally cited Brexit for a reason for their demise, along with Honda, Nissan, Jaguar Land-rover and all the other car manufacturers shutting shop and buggering off to mainland Europe, taking all the jobs with them.
Single Market is everything.
posted on 20/6/19
https://costofbrexit.netlify.com/
The Brexit Cost calculator.
Read it and weep.
posted on 20/6/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Will the food and life saving medicine be arriving by flying unicorn?
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What do you think will happen?
You think the EU would suddenly manufacture another market for their products?
And do you realise if the EU refuse to sell to us, we can get the food/medicine from alternative suppliers?
We survived the 2nd world war when the German U Boats were targeting our shipping supply line. And you think we will not be able to bring medicine across the border from a peaceful neighbour?
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How do we import radioactive isotopes used to treat cancer patients from thousands of miles away when they only have a shelf life of a few hours?
Geography is one of Brexit's biggest enemies aside from reality.
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