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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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100% Countries are queuing up to address the imbalance of services (UK being a specialist in this sector) without the protection of the EU.
And they will be looking for significant concessions from the UK (as Fox has discovered). Most notably Visas for their citizens.
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Or how about countries queuing up to compete with the EU on access to certain areas of the UK market?
You know, those sectors that have been protected for years by the EU tariffs.
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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Countries want a trade deal that works in their favour. We have a far less strong hand than we had as part of the biggest trading block on the planet.
Think we were come out on top in a trade deal with the US?! Dont be daft.
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Access to the UK's market is always a huge consideration when signing a trade deal with the EU. When we leave, the EU becomes less attractive.
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Its a big player but you're overestimating again. Tbis view you have of Brittan is not how the rest of the workd see you.
The EU dwarfs Brittan post Brexit. Countries will do what benefits them not post brexit Brittan.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Trump is delighted.
He’s just said we refer to Boris as “Britain Trump” in the UK
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He’s amazing.
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 50 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
You do realise no Brexiteer is against trading with the EU?
What we are generally against is the political union.
Even Merkel acknowledged this.
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So why the necessity to leave the sm and cu? What tangible benefits are there in downgrading our trading relationship with the EU and the wider global economy?
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The SM & CU comes with the 4 freedoms.
A simple trade deal does not have that.
And the UK benefits the least from the SM out of the EU 28. This is according to the EU 2017 data
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No, the four freedoms only apply to the SM.
Can you provide me with the data? As the main reason the UK government (under Thatcher) created the SM was to cater for the UK moving towards a more serviced based economy.
It's one of the main reasons why multinationals from China, Japan, US etc choose to invest in the UK because it is geographically on the doorstep of Europe.
And was how the UKs DTI advertised the UK for decades.
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Yep. I work in the services sector with a big emphasis on exports and (putting any political feelings aside) the thing that greatly concerns us is the end of the Single Market. That's far worse than loss of the Customs Union for us, as we are far more efficient as a business and attractive to non-EU customers as a result of freedom of movement and lack of regulatory barriers. Any trade deal we have with the EU will be inherently worse than what we have.
Right now we can't make plans because it's still unclear what will happen and what reality we have to adapt to. In the case of a no-deal scenario we'll need to at least open an office in the EU, and potentially transfer company registration, HQ and some jobs outside the UK. None of us want this as we are mostly settled and happy where we are.
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Easyjet for example has already done what you just described. And many other companies have already opened offices in Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris just to get passporting rights.
Businesses need certainty. Deal or no deal, businesses will adjust. There will be winners and losers.
But at the end, we will be free from the regulatory burden of the EU.
Post Brexit, only companies who trade with the EU would have to comply with their regulations compared to 100% of UK businesses now.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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Countries want a trade deal that works in their favour. We have a far less strong hand than we had as part of the biggest trading block on the planet.
Think we were come out on top in a trade deal with the US?! Dont be daft.
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Even if we don't have a trade deal with the US, we are doing pretty well just now. We have a huge trade surplus with the US compared to the huge deficit we have with the EU.
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You're in the EU right now and yiu say you're doing well.
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The EU does not have a trade deal with the US. UK trades with the US on WTO basis. What has that got to do with the EU?
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
Trump is delighted.
He’s just said we refer to Boris as “Britain Trump” in the UK
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And Ivanka said we were the United Kingston too
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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posted 50 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
You do realise no Brexiteer is against trading with the EU?
What we are generally against is the political union.
Even Merkel acknowledged this.
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So why the necessity to leave the sm and cu? What tangible benefits are there in downgrading our trading relationship with the EU and the wider global economy?
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The SM & CU comes with the 4 freedoms.
A simple trade deal does not have that.
And the UK benefits the least from the SM out of the EU 28. This is according to the EU 2017 data
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No, the four freedoms only apply to the SM.
Can you provide me with the data? As the main reason the UK government (under Thatcher) created the SM was to cater for the UK moving towards a more serviced based economy.
It's one of the main reasons why multinationals from China, Japan, US etc choose to invest in the UK because it is geographically on the doorstep of Europe.
And was how the UKs DTI advertised the UK for decades.
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Yep. I work in the services sector with a big emphasis on exports and (putting any political feelings aside) the thing that greatly concerns us is the end of the Single Market. That's far worse than loss of the Customs Union for us, as we are far more efficient as a business and attractive to non-EU customers as a result of freedom of movement and lack of regulatory barriers. Any trade deal we have with the EU will be inherently worse than what we have.
Right now we can't make plans because it's still unclear what will happen and what reality we have to adapt to. In the case of a no-deal scenario we'll need to at least open an office in the EU, and potentially transfer company registration, HQ and some jobs outside the UK. None of us want this as we are mostly settled and happy where we are.
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Easyjet for example has already done what you just described. And many other companies have already opened offices in Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris just to get passporting rights.
Businesses need certainty. Deal or no deal, businesses will adjust. There will be winners and losers.
But at the end, we will be free from the regulatory burden of the EU.
Post Brexit, only companies who trade with the EU would have to comply with their regulations compared to 100% of UK businesses now.
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1) Moving out of the UK to protect our business isn't a good thing for the UK economy - you do realise that, don't you? It means fewer jobs sustained in the UK and less income and Corporation tax going into the Treasury.
2) Lest we forget 'regulatory burden' = right-wing euphemism for rules that keep the market fair and prevent socially harmful practices. Protections for workers, the environment and consumers. The ringleaders of Brexit are of course primarily motivated to relieve business of these 'burdens' but the public rarely votes for fewer rights at work, dirtier air and lower food standards. And most businesses don't want to operate under different sets of rules for different markets, because that makes them less efficient. That's why, as they come under scrutiny, the politicians have been lining up to promise they'll deliver the same protections after Brexit. Makes you wonder what exactly the Brussels tyranny we were escaping was. Something to do with straight bananas? Oh no, that was one of BJ's fabrications.
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comment by ๐๐๐Allison Chains๐๐๐ (U3979)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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Countries want a trade deal that works in their favour. We have a far less strong hand than we had as part of the biggest trading block on the planet.
Think we were come out on top in a trade deal with the US?! Dont be daft.
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Even if we don't have a trade deal with the US, we are doing pretty well just now. We have a huge trade surplus with the US compared to the huge deficit we have with the EU.
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You're in the EU right now and yiu say you're doing well.
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The EU does not have a trade deal with the US. UK trades with the US on WTO basis. What has that got to do with the EU?
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Ah ok that's going to be an interesting development
Boris was the only hope the tories had of winning an election
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
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Boris was the only hope the tories had of winning an election
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I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
He’ll draw votes back from the Brexit Party, but the reality is that he can’t renegotiate, he can’t get the WA through Parliament, and he can’t force a no deal Brexit.
The UK won’t be leaving the EU on 31 October, and that’ll be the end of Boris.
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
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And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
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And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
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And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
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comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
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The assumption that there will be a general election and Brexit will be delayed again seem bold at this point.
I read Boris was in trouble before he became Prime Minister. A no deal brexit will probably not happen IMO but what do I know.
Why does it seem bold? It seems the most likely outcome.
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comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
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comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
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The assumption that there will be a general election and Brexit will be delayed again seem bold at this point.
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How does Boris get the WA passed or force a no deal exit with a Commons that won’t allow it?
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
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comment by Bales (U22081)
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comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
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The assumption that there will be a general election and Brexit will be delayed again seem bold at this point.
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How does Boris get the WA passed or force a no deal exit with a Commons that won’t allow it?
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You may well be right, I just don't see the EU giving us more time. With that in mind I don't think it benefits anyone to try and fit a GE before then.
Mancini
I've been scrolling through some of the comments since I last posted, and struggling to find a comment from you which was in anyway accurate (other than some truth in regard to passporting).
Maybe it's the heat but I really don't have the energy nor motivation to debate with you due to sheer volume of inaccurate comments. With respect they read like a JRM interview.
You've beat me
Most likely course now I think is:
- Boris tries to renegotiate the WA
- EU tells him to fack off
- Boris prevaricates threatening no deal
- EU continues to tell him to fack off
- Approaching 31 October the Commons takes control of business and legislate to rule out no deal
- Vote of no confidence called and won
- EU agree to extend due to significant change in political circumstances (which they’ve said they’d do)
- GE called
Mancini is definitely one of those nationalistic diiickheads that think everyone should bow down to the country because centuries ago we had the biggest empire in the world.
This is 2019 pal, Iran are robbing our tankers because they know we won’t do shiiit. And on top of that, we are the yanks stooges and they walk over us whenever they feel free.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
Most likely course now I think is:
- Boris tries to renegotiate the WA
- EU tells him to fack off
- Boris prevaricates threatening no deal
- EU continues to tell him to fack off
- Approaching 31 October the Commons takes control of business and legislate to rule out no deal
- Vote of no confidence called and won
- EU agree to extend due to significant change in political circumstances (which they’ve said they’d do)
- GE called
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I think it's more likely he'll end up with a very slightly tweaked version of Mays deal. Whether he'll get that through, I think it'll bbe closer than she ever managed but probably not either and then a lot of what you've put there will kick in.
He managed to exhaust wwspd on a Brexit debate. That takes some doing.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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100% Countries are queuing up to address the imbalance of services (UK being a specialist in this sector) without the protection of the EU.
And they will be looking for significant concessions from the UK (as Fox has discovered). Most notably Visas for their citizens.
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Or how about countries queuing up to compete with the EU on access to certain areas of the UK market?
You know, those sectors that have been protected for years by the EU tariffs.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ๐๐๐Allison Chains๐๐๐ (U3979)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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Countries want a trade deal that works in their favour. We have a far less strong hand than we had as part of the biggest trading block on the planet.
Think we were come out on top in a trade deal with the US?! Dont be daft.
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Access to the UK's market is always a huge consideration when signing a trade deal with the EU. When we leave, the EU becomes less attractive.
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Its a big player but you're overestimating again. Tbis view you have of Brittan is not how the rest of the workd see you.
The EU dwarfs Brittan post Brexit. Countries will do what benefits them not post brexit Brittan.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Trump is delighted.
He’s just said we refer to Boris as “Britain Trump” in the UK
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He’s amazing.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
You do realise no Brexiteer is against trading with the EU?
What we are generally against is the political union.
Even Merkel acknowledged this.
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So why the necessity to leave the sm and cu? What tangible benefits are there in downgrading our trading relationship with the EU and the wider global economy?
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The SM & CU comes with the 4 freedoms.
A simple trade deal does not have that.
And the UK benefits the least from the SM out of the EU 28. This is according to the EU 2017 data
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No, the four freedoms only apply to the SM.
Can you provide me with the data? As the main reason the UK government (under Thatcher) created the SM was to cater for the UK moving towards a more serviced based economy.
It's one of the main reasons why multinationals from China, Japan, US etc choose to invest in the UK because it is geographically on the doorstep of Europe.
And was how the UKs DTI advertised the UK for decades.
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Yep. I work in the services sector with a big emphasis on exports and (putting any political feelings aside) the thing that greatly concerns us is the end of the Single Market. That's far worse than loss of the Customs Union for us, as we are far more efficient as a business and attractive to non-EU customers as a result of freedom of movement and lack of regulatory barriers. Any trade deal we have with the EU will be inherently worse than what we have.
Right now we can't make plans because it's still unclear what will happen and what reality we have to adapt to. In the case of a no-deal scenario we'll need to at least open an office in the EU, and potentially transfer company registration, HQ and some jobs outside the UK. None of us want this as we are mostly settled and happy where we are.
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Easyjet for example has already done what you just described. And many other companies have already opened offices in Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris just to get passporting rights.
Businesses need certainty. Deal or no deal, businesses will adjust. There will be winners and losers.
But at the end, we will be free from the regulatory burden of the EU.
Post Brexit, only companies who trade with the EU would have to comply with their regulations compared to 100% of UK businesses now.
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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Countries want a trade deal that works in their favour. We have a far less strong hand than we had as part of the biggest trading block on the planet.
Think we were come out on top in a trade deal with the US?! Dont be daft.
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Even if we don't have a trade deal with the US, we are doing pretty well just now. We have a huge trade surplus with the US compared to the huge deficit we have with the EU.
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You're in the EU right now and yiu say you're doing well.
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The EU does not have a trade deal with the US. UK trades with the US on WTO basis. What has that got to do with the EU?
posted on 23/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
Trump is delighted.
He’s just said we refer to Boris as “Britain Trump” in the UK
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And Ivanka said we were the United Kingston too
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
You do realise no Brexiteer is against trading with the EU?
What we are generally against is the political union.
Even Merkel acknowledged this.
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So why the necessity to leave the sm and cu? What tangible benefits are there in downgrading our trading relationship with the EU and the wider global economy?
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The SM & CU comes with the 4 freedoms.
A simple trade deal does not have that.
And the UK benefits the least from the SM out of the EU 28. This is according to the EU 2017 data
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No, the four freedoms only apply to the SM.
Can you provide me with the data? As the main reason the UK government (under Thatcher) created the SM was to cater for the UK moving towards a more serviced based economy.
It's one of the main reasons why multinationals from China, Japan, US etc choose to invest in the UK because it is geographically on the doorstep of Europe.
And was how the UKs DTI advertised the UK for decades.
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Yep. I work in the services sector with a big emphasis on exports and (putting any political feelings aside) the thing that greatly concerns us is the end of the Single Market. That's far worse than loss of the Customs Union for us, as we are far more efficient as a business and attractive to non-EU customers as a result of freedom of movement and lack of regulatory barriers. Any trade deal we have with the EU will be inherently worse than what we have.
Right now we can't make plans because it's still unclear what will happen and what reality we have to adapt to. In the case of a no-deal scenario we'll need to at least open an office in the EU, and potentially transfer company registration, HQ and some jobs outside the UK. None of us want this as we are mostly settled and happy where we are.
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Easyjet for example has already done what you just described. And many other companies have already opened offices in Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris just to get passporting rights.
Businesses need certainty. Deal or no deal, businesses will adjust. There will be winners and losers.
But at the end, we will be free from the regulatory burden of the EU.
Post Brexit, only companies who trade with the EU would have to comply with their regulations compared to 100% of UK businesses now.
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1) Moving out of the UK to protect our business isn't a good thing for the UK economy - you do realise that, don't you? It means fewer jobs sustained in the UK and less income and Corporation tax going into the Treasury.
2) Lest we forget 'regulatory burden' = right-wing euphemism for rules that keep the market fair and prevent socially harmful practices. Protections for workers, the environment and consumers. The ringleaders of Brexit are of course primarily motivated to relieve business of these 'burdens' but the public rarely votes for fewer rights at work, dirtier air and lower food standards. And most businesses don't want to operate under different sets of rules for different markets, because that makes them less efficient. That's why, as they come under scrutiny, the politicians have been lining up to promise they'll deliver the same protections after Brexit. Makes you wonder what exactly the Brussels tyranny we were escaping was. Something to do with straight bananas? Oh no, that was one of BJ's fabrications.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ๐๐๐Allison Chains๐๐๐ (U3979)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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How many of these countries do the UK benefit from EU membership? And how many preferential trade agreements will be grandfathered?
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Don't know exact numbers yet. But rest assured countries have been queuing up to discuss trade with us since the referendum. Even the Japanese minister released a video about his country's willingness to do a deal with us.
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Maybe they see an opportunity to make more out of a trade deal directly with the UK as opoosed to having to settle for less when dealing with a large body like the EU.
Your earlier commemt about spirit etc. Ties into this, the idea that some British people have of Brittan as this all conquering nation people are in awe of. It's not true mate.
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Countries want a trade deal that works in their favour. We have a far less strong hand than we had as part of the biggest trading block on the planet.
Think we were come out on top in a trade deal with the US?! Dont be daft.
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Even if we don't have a trade deal with the US, we are doing pretty well just now. We have a huge trade surplus with the US compared to the huge deficit we have with the EU.
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You're in the EU right now and yiu say you're doing well.
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The EU does not have a trade deal with the US. UK trades with the US on WTO basis. What has that got to do with the EU?
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Ah ok that's going to be an interesting development
posted on 23/7/19
Boris was the only hope the tories had of winning an election
posted on 23/7/19
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 minutes ago
Boris was the only hope the tories had of winning an election
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I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
He’ll draw votes back from the Brexit Party, but the reality is that he can’t renegotiate, he can’t get the WA through Parliament, and he can’t force a no deal Brexit.
The UK won’t be leaving the EU on 31 October, and that’ll be the end of Boris.
posted on 23/7/19
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
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And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
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And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
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And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
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The assumption that there will be a general election and Brexit will be delayed again seem bold at this point.
posted on 23/7/19
I read Boris was in trouble before he became Prime Minister. A no deal brexit will probably not happen IMO but what do I know.
posted on 23/7/19
Why does it seem bold? It seems the most likely outcome.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
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The assumption that there will be a general election and Brexit will be delayed again seem bold at this point.
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How does Boris get the WA passed or force a no deal exit with a Commons that won’t allow it?
posted on 23/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
I’m not sure there was any candidate who might’ve been able to lead them to a majority given the current mess they’ve dragged us into.
..............
And yet no one has been able to overthrow them. With May at the helm as well.
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And another GE this year, which to me looks absolutely certain now, will more than likely result in another hung parliament.
The only ways out might be electoral pacts and a coalition between Lab, Lib, SNP and Plaid, or a new Labour leader, which won’t happen.
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I said earlier on another thread, could we see a really strange event where much of the English votes are spread right across all parties, giving a hung parliament, but with the majority of Scotland voting for the SNP, giving them a major say in a coalition government, bringing on another independence referendum?
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Why would they want independence if they had power over the UK? More likely they'd try to get us back in the EU.
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The UK still is in the EU, and likely will be when the GE comes around, whether that be before or after 31 October.
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The assumption that there will be a general election and Brexit will be delayed again seem bold at this point.
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How does Boris get the WA passed or force a no deal exit with a Commons that won’t allow it?
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You may well be right, I just don't see the EU giving us more time. With that in mind I don't think it benefits anyone to try and fit a GE before then.
posted on 23/7/19
Mancini
I've been scrolling through some of the comments since I last posted, and struggling to find a comment from you which was in anyway accurate (other than some truth in regard to passporting).
Maybe it's the heat but I really don't have the energy nor motivation to debate with you due to sheer volume of inaccurate comments. With respect they read like a JRM interview.
You've beat me
posted on 23/7/19
Most likely course now I think is:
- Boris tries to renegotiate the WA
- EU tells him to fack off
- Boris prevaricates threatening no deal
- EU continues to tell him to fack off
- Approaching 31 October the Commons takes control of business and legislate to rule out no deal
- Vote of no confidence called and won
- EU agree to extend due to significant change in political circumstances (which they’ve said they’d do)
- GE called
posted on 23/7/19
Mancini is definitely one of those nationalistic diiickheads that think everyone should bow down to the country because centuries ago we had the biggest empire in the world.
This is 2019 pal, Iran are robbing our tankers because they know we won’t do shiiit. And on top of that, we are the yanks stooges and they walk over us whenever they feel free.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
Most likely course now I think is:
- Boris tries to renegotiate the WA
- EU tells him to fack off
- Boris prevaricates threatening no deal
- EU continues to tell him to fack off
- Approaching 31 October the Commons takes control of business and legislate to rule out no deal
- Vote of no confidence called and won
- EU agree to extend due to significant change in political circumstances (which they’ve said they’d do)
- GE called
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I think it's more likely he'll end up with a very slightly tweaked version of Mays deal. Whether he'll get that through, I think it'll bbe closer than she ever managed but probably not either and then a lot of what you've put there will kick in.
posted on 23/7/19
He managed to exhaust wwspd on a Brexit debate. That takes some doing.
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