comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
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That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
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Tarriff removal?
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I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 55 seconds ago
It's crazy that we send £350m a week to the EU. There are much better things that we could use that on, like the NHS. I am glad that we now have an honest man in charge and we can finally sort this mess out.
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says Big Dave from Barnsley who has had his job taken away from him by Georgi.
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I always read abou this issue of job losses.
Please can you expand on how you think Dave will lose his job just because of Brexit?
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Have you been living under a rock?
The entire JiT (manufacturing) industry relies on full regulatory and customs alignment with it's supply chain partners throughout Europe.
Take the UK out of the two regimes (SM & CU) which underpin this ecosystem and (as they have been doing for the last two years) EU counterparts have removed UK businesses (in place of EU ones) from their supply chains.
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So obstacle to JIT would mean job losses?
If as at today, a CEO has not altered their lead time, that CEO should be fired.
Today, many companies use parts from other non EU countries for JIT production without any problem.
They can simply apply that model to the EU when we leave and carry on business as usual.
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"Today, many companies use parts from other non EU countries for JIT production without any problem."
Yes because we have preferential EU (MRAs, EPA, etc) trading relationships with them. Plus the EU's GSPs for less developed countries ensure our supply chains are maintained.
Hundreds of agreements with the far east, US, etc etc all negotiated by way of our EU membership.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
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That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
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How will immigration control increase wages?
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Labour demand versus supply.
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Valid point but is it that simplistic is the question.
It's amazing to read threads like this and see what a great job the political class (on both sides) has done to keep us at each others throats.
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
They're all laughing at us.
Our next Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, said
- Black people have lower IQs
- Black children are ‘picanninies’ with ‘watermelon smiles’
- Gay people are ‘bum boys’
- Muslim women in burkas look like ‘bank robbers’ and ‘letter boxes’
He also compared equal marriage to bestiality.
Tory Britain.
Why is everyone loosing their sheet over something that's been obvious and predictable for months?
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
It's amazing to read threads like this and see what a great job the political class (on both sides) has done to keep us at each others throats.
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
They're all laughing at us.
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 55 seconds ago
It's crazy that we send £350m a week to the EU. There are much better things that we could use that on, like the NHS. I am glad that we now have an honest man in charge and we can finally sort this mess out.
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says Big Dave from Barnsley who has had his job taken away from him by Georgi.
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I always read abou this issue of job losses.
Please can you expand on how you think Dave will lose his job just because of Brexit?
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Have you been living under a rock?
The entire JiT (manufacturing) industry relies on full regulatory and customs alignment with it's supply chain partners throughout Europe.
Take the UK out of the two regimes (SM & CU) which underpin this ecosystem and (as they have been doing for the last two years) EU counterparts have removed UK businesses (in place of EU ones) from their supply chains.
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So obstacle to JIT would mean job losses?
If as at today, a CEO has not altered their lead time, that CEO should be fired.
Today, many companies use parts from other non EU countries for JIT production without any problem.
They can simply apply that model to the EU when we leave and carry on business as usual.
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Has there been an increase in cost to implememt the model in your company?
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My company is a typical local British company which does not trade with the EU.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tarriff removal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
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The EU - like all other trade blocs & countries around the globe still have to adhere to WTO obligations.
If the UK removes tariffs with one country it has to do so with 164 others.
Depressing that the same old disproven nonsense is parroted time and again no matter how many (experts) disprove, or contradict.
Simple fact is if the UK wishes to export into a particular market it has to agree to the rules of the market and the global regulations which apply to all.
Just like China, the US, etc etc have to do when exporting to Europe.
But somehow the UK will be exempt
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
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Oh my brother, TESTIFY.
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 19 seconds ago
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
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Oh my brother, TESTIFY.
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Was a bit preachy when I read it back after posting
soz.
That is a superb post Lambeau, honestly couldn't have put it any better.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
Yes because we have preferential EU (MRAs, EPA, etc) trading relationships with them. Plus the EU's GSPs for less developed countries ensure our supply chains are maintained.
Hundreds of agreements with the far east, US, etc etc all negotiated by way of our EU membership.
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And you think these businesses would sit on their ars e and not plan for every eventuality?
Every Planning Manager worth his salt would have delivered the outcome of several scenarios to their Board immediately after the referendum in 2016.
Today, many companies have opened passporting offices across the EU. That is a plan post Brexit - deal or no deal.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tarriff removal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
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The EU - like all other trade blocs & countries around the globe still have to adhere to WTO obligations.
If the UK removes tariffs with one country it has to do so with 164 others.
Depressing that the same old disproven nonsense is parroted time and again no matter how many (experts) disprove, or contradict.
Simple fact is if the UK wishes to export into a particular market it has to agree to the rules of the market and the global regulations which apply to all.
Just like China, the US, etc etc have to do when exporting to Europe.
But somehow the UK will be exempt
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embarrassing that there's so many tragic feckwits still spouting their utter nonsense. No wonder we're heading for the iceburg with Johnson steering the brextanic
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 minutes ago
It's amazing to read threads like this and see what a great job the political class (on both sides) has done to keep us at each others throats.
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
They're all laughing at us.
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Sadly, this is why voting for any given political party is ultimately a complete and utter waste of time.
It's all a crock.
lambeau I wasn't kidding. That was well said.
Especially the part about convincing us we have more in common with them than an immigrant or council house dudes.
Oh man, its so pathetic it hurts.
Mancini do you think lots of time amd effort and money has been wasted over trying to figure out how companies will deal with brexit?
It's astonishing that some still think Brexit is a good idea.
Let's forget about all the money it's already cost us,.just the general regression to a racist rhetoric in the country saddens me.
It blows my mind that umpteen experts can still be labelled part of project fear too.
As it stands there is not a single positive unless I've missed something.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tarriff removal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
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The EU - like all other trade blocs & countries around the globe still have to adhere to WTO obligations.
If the UK removes tariffs with one country it has to do so with 164 others.
Depressing that the same old disproven nonsense is parroted time and again no matter how many (experts) disprove, or contradict.
Simple fact is if the UK wishes to export into a particular market it has to agree to the rules of the market and the global regulations which apply to all.
Just like China, the US, etc etc have to do when exporting to Europe.
But somehow the UK will be exempt
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Time will tell.
To date, we have several bilateral trade agreements in place with many countries including South Korea, Iceland and the latest being Switzerland.
These bilatareal agreements once signed officially would address the issue of tariff you pointed out above.
But for God's sake, stop treating us as if this country is run by dumb people. If you can be this knowledgeable, then assume other in government have similar knowledge too and will take steps to address this.
The EU is not all you're making it out to be.
But again, time will tell whether the judgement of the majority of the British people is correct or not.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 8 minutes ago
A nonce? Calm down you child.
The fact is people will be okay. Those who have jobs and work hard will be okay. Calm down. Your life will be fine too. Hopefully tax reductions for those who work hard too and that will ease things for hard working successful people
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That's not a 'fact'. There are plenty of industries that look set to lose out in the event of a hard Brexit, not least financial services. Our own government, while pursuing Brexit, admitted that a soft Brexit would mean a mild negative effect on our economy, a hard Brexit a worse effect, and a no-deal Brexit would have a substantial negative effect. Leave campaigners have gone from promising immediate economic benefits to invoking the Dunkirk spirit and suggesting that the advantages will be felt in a generation.
The probability (based on prognosis of professional economists) is that some jobs will go and that wages will stagnate and government tax receipts will drop substantially. The expected tax cuts will, as happens every time in history when Chicago School fiscal policies are enacted, result in a transfer of wealth from the majority to the wealthy.
UWW, you regularly come out with these complacent "I'm doing fine and I assume my experience is representative" comments. I did fine throughout the austerity years (which according to most projections are at least what we can expect in terms of economic pain from a No-Deal Brexit). But I'm also aware that cutting back the state, as you and BJ propose, increased the phenomenon of in-work poverty, weakened the NHS, created real desperation and suffering among the most vulnerable parts of society, and caused thousands of early deaths.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
Mancini do you think lots of time amd effort and money has been wasted over trying to figure out how companies will deal with brexit?
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Most companies I know of which trades directly with the EU have concluded their post Brexit arrangement ages ago. So not much would happen if the govt decides to go ahead with the no-deal route. But I still think that there's too much at stake for both parties to allow no deal to happen. There will be some form of agreement as we get close to October 31.
Remember, Tusk initially offered us Canada +++ aorund March 2017. But this option was rejected by May.
I’m not overly bothered by this tbh as the minute leave won the referendum, I though we’d go through a PM and have a Brexiteer in before the actual end outcome would happen. It’s just an inevitable step and still doesn’t mean that much as the arithmetic is still the same.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's astonishing that some still think Brexit is a good idea.
Let's forget about all the money it's already cost us,.just the general regression to a racist rhetoric in the country saddens me.
It blows my mind that umpteen experts can still be labelled part of project fear too.
As it stands there is not a single positive unless I've missed something.
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Some Brexit positives:
1) No more annaul contribution - latest figure is £15bn and rising. Money can be spent in police, social housing, military etc.
2) Out of the CFP. Bring back life to our coastal communities and growth to our fishing industries.
3) Can set our VAT rate independent of the EU
4) Bureaucracy - Look at GDPR, hoover, light bulb etc.
5) Outside a federal Europe - modern version of communism
6) Not part of the European military project
7) freedom to strike our own trade deals with whoever we want
8) UK benefits the least from the SM.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's astonishing that some still think Brexit is a good idea.
Let's forget about all the money it's already cost us,.just the general regression to a racist rhetoric in the country saddens me.
It blows my mind that umpteen experts can still be labelled part of project fear too.
As it stands there is not a single positive unless I've missed something.
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Some Brexit positives:
1) No more annaul contribution - latest figure is £15bn and rising. Money can be spent in police, social housing, military etc.
2) Out of the CFP. Bring back life to our coastal communities and growth to our fishing industries.
3) Can set our VAT rate independent of the EU
4) Bureaucracy - Look at GDPR, hoover, light bulb etc.
5) Outside a federal Europe - modern version of communism
6) Not part of the European military project
7) freedom to strike our own trade deals with whoever we want
8) UK benefits the least from the SM.
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I'm talking right now, as it stands. Anything will do.
But for God's sake, stop treating us as if this country is run by dumb people. If you can be this knowledgeable, then assume other in government have similar knowledge too and will take steps to address this.
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And the people in government who have been grappling with Brexit for the last three years have told us that No Deal has to be avoided at all costs and that May's deal was the best they could manage while trying to meet the hard Brexit demands of their party base. Meanwhile, the projections of civil servants - 'the clever people in government' who have been working on the detail and crunching the numbers are dismissed as 'defeatists' and 'Europhiles' by Brexit ideologues.
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posted on 23/7/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tarriff removal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 55 seconds ago
It's crazy that we send £350m a week to the EU. There are much better things that we could use that on, like the NHS. I am glad that we now have an honest man in charge and we can finally sort this mess out.
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says Big Dave from Barnsley who has had his job taken away from him by Georgi.
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I always read abou this issue of job losses.
Please can you expand on how you think Dave will lose his job just because of Brexit?
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Have you been living under a rock?
The entire JiT (manufacturing) industry relies on full regulatory and customs alignment with it's supply chain partners throughout Europe.
Take the UK out of the two regimes (SM & CU) which underpin this ecosystem and (as they have been doing for the last two years) EU counterparts have removed UK businesses (in place of EU ones) from their supply chains.
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So obstacle to JIT would mean job losses?
If as at today, a CEO has not altered their lead time, that CEO should be fired.
Today, many companies use parts from other non EU countries for JIT production without any problem.
They can simply apply that model to the EU when we leave and carry on business as usual.
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"Today, many companies use parts from other non EU countries for JIT production without any problem."
Yes because we have preferential EU (MRAs, EPA, etc) trading relationships with them. Plus the EU's GSPs for less developed countries ensure our supply chains are maintained.
Hundreds of agreements with the far east, US, etc etc all negotiated by way of our EU membership.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
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How will immigration control increase wages?
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Labour demand versus supply.
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Valid point but is it that simplistic is the question.
posted on 23/7/19
It's amazing to read threads like this and see what a great job the political class (on both sides) has done to keep us at each others throats.
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
They're all laughing at us.
posted on 23/7/19
Our next Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, said
- Black people have lower IQs
- Black children are ‘picanninies’ with ‘watermelon smiles’
- Gay people are ‘bum boys’
- Muslim women in burkas look like ‘bank robbers’ and ‘letter boxes’
He also compared equal marriage to bestiality.
Tory Britain.
posted on 23/7/19
Why is everyone loosing their sheet over something that's been obvious and predictable for months?
posted on 23/7/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
It's amazing to read threads like this and see what a great job the political class (on both sides) has done to keep us at each others throats.
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
They're all laughing at us.
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posted on 23/7/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 55 seconds ago
It's crazy that we send £350m a week to the EU. There are much better things that we could use that on, like the NHS. I am glad that we now have an honest man in charge and we can finally sort this mess out.
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says Big Dave from Barnsley who has had his job taken away from him by Georgi.
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I always read abou this issue of job losses.
Please can you expand on how you think Dave will lose his job just because of Brexit?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you been living under a rock?
The entire JiT (manufacturing) industry relies on full regulatory and customs alignment with it's supply chain partners throughout Europe.
Take the UK out of the two regimes (SM & CU) which underpin this ecosystem and (as they have been doing for the last two years) EU counterparts have removed UK businesses (in place of EU ones) from their supply chains.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So obstacle to JIT would mean job losses?
If as at today, a CEO has not altered their lead time, that CEO should be fired.
Today, many companies use parts from other non EU countries for JIT production without any problem.
They can simply apply that model to the EU when we leave and carry on business as usual.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has there been an increase in cost to implememt the model in your company?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My company is a typical local British company which does not trade with the EU.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tarriff removal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU - like all other trade blocs & countries around the globe still have to adhere to WTO obligations.
If the UK removes tariffs with one country it has to do so with 164 others.
Depressing that the same old disproven nonsense is parroted time and again no matter how many (experts) disprove, or contradict.
Simple fact is if the UK wishes to export into a particular market it has to agree to the rules of the market and the global regulations which apply to all.
Just like China, the US, etc etc have to do when exporting to Europe.
But somehow the UK will be exempt
posted on 23/7/19
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
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Oh my brother, TESTIFY.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 19 seconds ago
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
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Oh my brother, TESTIFY.
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Was a bit preachy when I read it back after posting
soz.
posted on 23/7/19
That is a superb post Lambeau, honestly couldn't have put it any better.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
Yes because we have preferential EU (MRAs, EPA, etc) trading relationships with them. Plus the EU's GSPs for less developed countries ensure our supply chains are maintained.
Hundreds of agreements with the far east, US, etc etc all negotiated by way of our EU membership.
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And you think these businesses would sit on their ars e and not plan for every eventuality?
Every Planning Manager worth his salt would have delivered the outcome of several scenarios to their Board immediately after the referendum in 2016.
Today, many companies have opened passporting offices across the EU. That is a plan post Brexit - deal or no deal.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
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That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
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Tarriff removal?
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I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
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The EU - like all other trade blocs & countries around the globe still have to adhere to WTO obligations.
If the UK removes tariffs with one country it has to do so with 164 others.
Depressing that the same old disproven nonsense is parroted time and again no matter how many (experts) disprove, or contradict.
Simple fact is if the UK wishes to export into a particular market it has to agree to the rules of the market and the global regulations which apply to all.
Just like China, the US, etc etc have to do when exporting to Europe.
But somehow the UK will be exempt
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embarrassing that there's so many tragic feckwits still spouting their utter nonsense. No wonder we're heading for the iceburg with Johnson steering the brextanic
posted on 23/7/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 minutes ago
It's amazing to read threads like this and see what a great job the political class (on both sides) has done to keep us at each others throats.
They send their kids to private schools whilst sending poor kids to private prisons. They manage to convince the majority of us that we have more in common with millionaires like Corbyn and Johnson than we do with immigrants and people from council estates. Worst of all, they convince us that they have our interests at heart.
They're all laughing at us.
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Sadly, this is why voting for any given political party is ultimately a complete and utter waste of time.
It's all a crock.
posted on 23/7/19
lambeau I wasn't kidding. That was well said.
Especially the part about convincing us we have more in common with them than an immigrant or council house dudes.
Oh man, its so pathetic it hurts.
posted on 23/7/19
Mancini do you think lots of time amd effort and money has been wasted over trying to figure out how companies will deal with brexit?
posted on 23/7/19
It's astonishing that some still think Brexit is a good idea.
Let's forget about all the money it's already cost us,.just the general regression to a racist rhetoric in the country saddens me.
It blows my mind that umpteen experts can still be labelled part of project fear too.
As it stands there is not a single positive unless I've missed something.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 43 seconds ago
Yeah no one who is not starving now is gonna be starving because of brexit. Don’t get why there is also this doom talk. It’s a minor issue. We ain’t gonna become a 3rd world country. Nothing much will change at all. At worst few pence more on a can of coke. Relax
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But if many goods and services gp up even a little, but wages dont increase, you see a problem here i assume?
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That's one scenario.
How about the opposite? Goods & services coming down plus wage increases (more likely due to tariff removal by the UK govt and immigration control)
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Tarriff removal?
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I know you love the EU and would defend their project for a federalist Europe.
But we are leaving. That's what the majority of people voted for. And now, we have a PM who believes in Brexit. We will make our laws, set our tariffs on imports, set out vat rates, make our immigration laws, no more GDPR nonsense, etc.
Thank God we're leaving.
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The EU - like all other trade blocs & countries around the globe still have to adhere to WTO obligations.
If the UK removes tariffs with one country it has to do so with 164 others.
Depressing that the same old disproven nonsense is parroted time and again no matter how many (experts) disprove, or contradict.
Simple fact is if the UK wishes to export into a particular market it has to agree to the rules of the market and the global regulations which apply to all.
Just like China, the US, etc etc have to do when exporting to Europe.
But somehow the UK will be exempt
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Time will tell.
To date, we have several bilateral trade agreements in place with many countries including South Korea, Iceland and the latest being Switzerland.
These bilatareal agreements once signed officially would address the issue of tariff you pointed out above.
But for God's sake, stop treating us as if this country is run by dumb people. If you can be this knowledgeable, then assume other in government have similar knowledge too and will take steps to address this.
The EU is not all you're making it out to be.
But again, time will tell whether the judgement of the majority of the British people is correct or not.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 8 minutes ago
A nonce? Calm down you child.
The fact is people will be okay. Those who have jobs and work hard will be okay. Calm down. Your life will be fine too. Hopefully tax reductions for those who work hard too and that will ease things for hard working successful people
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That's not a 'fact'. There are plenty of industries that look set to lose out in the event of a hard Brexit, not least financial services. Our own government, while pursuing Brexit, admitted that a soft Brexit would mean a mild negative effect on our economy, a hard Brexit a worse effect, and a no-deal Brexit would have a substantial negative effect. Leave campaigners have gone from promising immediate economic benefits to invoking the Dunkirk spirit and suggesting that the advantages will be felt in a generation.
The probability (based on prognosis of professional economists) is that some jobs will go and that wages will stagnate and government tax receipts will drop substantially. The expected tax cuts will, as happens every time in history when Chicago School fiscal policies are enacted, result in a transfer of wealth from the majority to the wealthy.
UWW, you regularly come out with these complacent "I'm doing fine and I assume my experience is representative" comments. I did fine throughout the austerity years (which according to most projections are at least what we can expect in terms of economic pain from a No-Deal Brexit). But I'm also aware that cutting back the state, as you and BJ propose, increased the phenomenon of in-work poverty, weakened the NHS, created real desperation and suffering among the most vulnerable parts of society, and caused thousands of early deaths.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
Mancini do you think lots of time amd effort and money has been wasted over trying to figure out how companies will deal with brexit?
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Most companies I know of which trades directly with the EU have concluded their post Brexit arrangement ages ago. So not much would happen if the govt decides to go ahead with the no-deal route. But I still think that there's too much at stake for both parties to allow no deal to happen. There will be some form of agreement as we get close to October 31.
Remember, Tusk initially offered us Canada +++ aorund March 2017. But this option was rejected by May.
posted on 23/7/19
I’m not overly bothered by this tbh as the minute leave won the referendum, I though we’d go through a PM and have a Brexiteer in before the actual end outcome would happen. It’s just an inevitable step and still doesn’t mean that much as the arithmetic is still the same.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's astonishing that some still think Brexit is a good idea.
Let's forget about all the money it's already cost us,.just the general regression to a racist rhetoric in the country saddens me.
It blows my mind that umpteen experts can still be labelled part of project fear too.
As it stands there is not a single positive unless I've missed something.
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Some Brexit positives:
1) No more annaul contribution - latest figure is £15bn and rising. Money can be spent in police, social housing, military etc.
2) Out of the CFP. Bring back life to our coastal communities and growth to our fishing industries.
3) Can set our VAT rate independent of the EU
4) Bureaucracy - Look at GDPR, hoover, light bulb etc.
5) Outside a federal Europe - modern version of communism
6) Not part of the European military project
7) freedom to strike our own trade deals with whoever we want
8) UK benefits the least from the SM.
posted on 23/7/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
It's astonishing that some still think Brexit is a good idea.
Let's forget about all the money it's already cost us,.just the general regression to a racist rhetoric in the country saddens me.
It blows my mind that umpteen experts can still be labelled part of project fear too.
As it stands there is not a single positive unless I've missed something.
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Some Brexit positives:
1) No more annaul contribution - latest figure is £15bn and rising. Money can be spent in police, social housing, military etc.
2) Out of the CFP. Bring back life to our coastal communities and growth to our fishing industries.
3) Can set our VAT rate independent of the EU
4) Bureaucracy - Look at GDPR, hoover, light bulb etc.
5) Outside a federal Europe - modern version of communism
6) Not part of the European military project
7) freedom to strike our own trade deals with whoever we want
8) UK benefits the least from the SM.
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I'm talking right now, as it stands. Anything will do.
posted on 23/7/19
But for God's sake, stop treating us as if this country is run by dumb people. If you can be this knowledgeable, then assume other in government have similar knowledge too and will take steps to address this.
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And the people in government who have been grappling with Brexit for the last three years have told us that No Deal has to be avoided at all costs and that May's deal was the best they could manage while trying to meet the hard Brexit demands of their party base. Meanwhile, the projections of civil servants - 'the clever people in government' who have been working on the detail and crunching the numbers are dismissed as 'defeatists' and 'Europhiles' by Brexit ideologues.
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