Robbing talking about getting riled.

He's the guy who got so angry that he had to restrain himself from talking to me in case he repeated the actions that resulted in a ban.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 minutes ago
If you want proof privitization wrecks them get a virgin train
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oh and British Rail was soooooo good before wasnt it !

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 minutes ago
If you want proof privitization wrecks them get a virgin train
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oh and British Rail was soooooo good before wasnt it !
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And our trains are soooooo brilliant now right?

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 minutes ago
If you want proof privitization wrecks them get a virgin train
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oh and British Rail was soooooo good before wasnt it !
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And our trains are soooooo brilliant now right?
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I think they're pretty good in many cases actually.

Price is an issue though.

Late and cheap > late and expensive

People will be saying privatised utilities are good next.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 minutes ago
If you want proof privitization wrecks them get a virgin train
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oh and British Rail was soooooo good before wasnt it !
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If it's nationalized you've allot more chance of it being improved and you get an actual say in how it's run via your vote.

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 12 seconds ago
Late and cheap > late and expensive

People will be saying privatised utilities are good next.
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The idea that railways and utilities were at the same standard as they are now when they were nationalised is quite simply a lie. Utter hogwash.

Again I'll say, no matter how mad some of JC's policies may be, the Tory government are worse, this is what it comes down to.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 12 seconds ago
Late and cheap > late and expensive

People will be saying privatised utilities are good next.
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The idea that railways and utilities were at the same standard as they are now when they were nationalised is quite simply a lie. Utter hogwash.
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Citation needed

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 12 seconds ago
Late and cheap > late and expensive

People will be saying privatised utilities are good next.
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The idea that railways and utilities were at the same standard as they are now when they were nationalised is quite simply a lie. Utter hogwash.
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Citation needed
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Mate, if you disagree that's fine.

As I said earlier in this thread, these things go in cycles and nationalisation is being romanticised by people - it sounds logical and many people don't know what it was actually like.

The Police
The Fire Fighters
The NHS
Food Banks

Vote Tory

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 12 seconds ago
Late and cheap > late and expensive

People will be saying privatised utilities are good next.
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The idea that railways and utilities were at the same standard as they are now when they were nationalised is quite simply a lie. Utter hogwash.
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Citation needed
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Mate, if you disagree that's fine.

As I said earlier in this thread, these things go in cycles and nationalisation is being romanticised by people - it sounds logical and many people don't know what it was actually like.
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Fair response Winston, but it's fair to say that the services are not of such a high standard that the huge increase in cost to the customer cannot be justified.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Again I'll say, no matter how mad some of JC's policies may be, the Tory government are worse, this is what it comes down to.

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It's not what it comes down to for me.

I cannot vote Corbyn.

That doesn't facking me make me a Tory, as people like Robbing would have you believe.

kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

Mate, there are massive problems with privatised industries and capitalism in general.

You won't get any argument from me on that.

I just fundamentally disagree that the solution is nationalisation.

Not too bothered about privitisation either (although Id rather things werent and just run properly by the state) but if the doctors, nurses, police, fire dept, teachers and GP's are ALL saying theyre being turned over by the Tories youve got to be a bit if a cvnt to ignore it imo.

Meanwhile the top 1% have doubled their wealth.

People refer to the French system.


SNCF, the French National Rail Company, are 50bn Euros in debt and lose 3bn Euros a year.

So that's the model for nationalising everything....BT, Utilities, Railway.

As i said above, EVERYTHING needs paying for and to think nationalising everything will make it (a) better and (b) profitable is a dream.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 minutes ago
If you want proof privitization wrecks them get a virgin train
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oh and British Rail was soooooo good before wasnt it !
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And our trains are soooooo brilliant now right?
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I think they're pretty good in many cases actually.

Price is an issue though.
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Price is THE issue.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 seconds ago
People refer to the French system.


SNCF, the French National Rail Company, are 50bn Euros in debt and lose 3bn Euros a year.

So that's the model for nationalising everything....BT, Utilities, Railway.

As i said above, EVERYTHING needs paying for and to think nationalising everything will make it (a) better and (b) profitable is a dream.
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So we continue with the same nightmare?

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 24 minutes ago
If you want proof privitization wrecks them get a virgin train
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oh and British Rail was soooooo good before wasnt it !
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And our trains are soooooo brilliant now right?
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I think they're pretty good in many cases actually.

Price is an issue though.
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Price is THE issue.
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Well not really. It's one issue.

People deal in absolutes far too much. Hows about having a good service that's reasonably priced regardless of who owns it?

Nuts I know.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Again I'll say, no matter how mad some of JC's policies may be, the Tory government are worse, this is what it comes down to.

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It's not what it comes down to for me.

I cannot vote Corbyn.

That doesn't facking me make me a Tory, as people like Robbing would have you believe.
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Why not Corbyn out of interest Winston?

Would you consider Labour with a different leader?

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Not too bothered about privitisation either (although Id rather things werent and just run properly by the state) but if the doctors, nurses, police, fire dept, teachers and GP's are ALL saying theyre being turned over by the Tories youve got to be a bit if a cvnt to ignore it imo.

Meanwhile the top 1% have doubled their wealth.
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Sure there is inequality but the top 1% are a tiny proportion of the overall and a tiny part of the problem.

Its like saying that 1 in every 100 footballers in the EPL are getting mega wages and its ruining all of football

I can understand the anger that such disparity causes but it should not be the main focus. The language of the Labour campaign is really fuelling this, statements like Wealthy people in this country fear paying their taxes is simply painting the picture that many high earners are tax dodgers when the reality is the vast majority are not. It is furthering the them and us divide and often unfairly. Those who do earn high will be paying almost half their wages in tax, that is huge sums and significant contributions. Those who avoid/evade tax are condoned by no party.

kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

Absolutely would, yes.

This is probably an unfair word but I find Labour's current policies too extreme.

I think it'll be a disaster for the economy and as a responsible business owner, I fear for the effects on my business.

Long term I think his approach does a lot of harm to the country and so whilst I absolutely accept that the Tories are doing some awful things, I don't think voting Corbyn is the answer.

Such a sad state of affairs that those are the two options, with any other vote arguably a waste.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 seconds ago
People refer to the French system.


SNCF, the French National Rail Company, are 50bn Euros in debt and lose 3bn Euros a year.

So that's the model for nationalising everything....BT, Utilities, Railway.

As i said above, EVERYTHING needs paying for and to think nationalising everything will make it (a) better and (b) profitable is a dream.
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So we continue with the same nightmare?
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Nightmare?

I commute kent to London. A busy service but fine overall, bar the odd nightmare day.

I recently changed my gas/elec supplier and saw my bills go down a lot.

I will pick and choose my broadband supplier to find the best value.

Personally i am not finding these issues a nightmare.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago


I get people don't like Corbyn but at least have the ball to say;

You want schools to be underfunded and open part time
You want there to be too few Police
You want nurses to be underpaid
You want chidlren to be hungry
You want people dying on the streets
You want people failed on their health assessments on purpose
You want your own citizens to be deported after 50 years here
You want Grenfell
You want poor public services

You'd still be a cvnt but at least there would be a grudging respect for actually being honest
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Ridiculous debate.

Apparently it's 'guesswork' and 'assumption' to say that this post implies that if you don't vote Corbyn, you want all of the things listed.
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I like how you take this out of the context of the discussion; which was people saying they will vote Tory instead of for Corbyn. That was a post on the Tory's record and what they would be voting for.

Perhaps I should try taking part of one of your posts out of context:

"comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 43 seconds ago

Just noticed that your definition says 'or guess'.

So, it's a guess.

Glad you were able to confirm it."


I agree.
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How the feck is that taken out of context?

Jesus wept. You will actually argue anything, won't you?

This 'he's getting riled' is playground stuff and suggests you know you're wrong tbh.
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If you say so.