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posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
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It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Aye borrow money to give me that please.
Who cares about the kids, they can deal with the mess.
============
Or just tax people properly. Why is so hard to understand? Look at who donates to the Tory party, look at who owns the telegraph and where they live. Wake up!!
Either way if they can find £500bn to bail out their banking mates and spend umtpeen billions more on murder submarines they can afford to let their citizens starve.
Schools are barely open five days a week, kids are hungry, people are dying, the NHS is being sold off.
What's wrong with people that they can be okay with this?
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Many of these problems have arisen as a consequence of the financial crisis and the policies that followed.
If you compare it to football it's like the next round of TV money being way less than now, overnight. Its a fact that people would lose their jobs, cuts would have to be made, there would be suffering,
If you think these issues from the financial crisis are exclusively as a result of Tory policy then you are blinkered.....Labour had our borrowing at sky high levels in the good times....it was like being successful and well paid was not enough, we also had to max out our credit cards and sell off family assets cheaply because we wanted to spend more and more and more.
This is what many people fear because Labour have historically been poor at managing the economy.
The mess we were left with made the deep cuts necessary and while Labour would have borrowed more and cut less that would put us into a position where right now, as we move clear of austerity our debt levels & annual borrowing would be way higher and so much of what we were gaining from a better economy would be used in paying debt. But there was no magic answer, suffering was inevitable. Our spending and borrowing have been slashed but at least that means now that they can increase within a reasonable range (although Labours 5% of GDP is not reasonable IMO). If they were high already then we'd have nowhere to go with extra borrowing and investment.
To make this a choice of suffering under Tories and Happiness and Joy under labour is totally false. EVERYTHING needs to be paid for. Labour's spending simply kicks the 'suffering can' down the road to deal with later.
What if we hit recession in 2 or 3 years. Look at Germany, strongest Euro economy, just avoided it this year...What happens with our sky high borrowing under Labour then? Even greater suffering is the answer.
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Brexit is predicted to cost our economy £700Billion A YEAR for the next 20 years.
Factor that in and then get back to me about Labour borrowing.
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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/boris-johnsons-brexit-deal-will-leave-uk-70-billion-worse-off/30/10/
Sorry. £70Billion a year.
Either way the NHS will be saved once we leave the EU and they get their £250m instalments.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Fvck Brecit, fvck Boris, fvck Corbyn.
This is your last chance to save the NHS.
Use it.
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comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 22 seconds ago
Either way the NHS will be saved once we leave the EU and they get their £250m instalments.
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Oh yeah!
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
Either way the NHS will be saved once we leave the EU and they get their £250m instalments.
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£350*
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Brexit means Brexit.
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Red White & Blue Brexit.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 25 seconds ago
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posted 44 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
The crux is the tories have ruined so many services in the UK and let the majority of the people down? Would anyone dispute this?
Now while I can see why many dislike JC, and some of his policies will never fly, labour has to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Can someone thinking of voting Tory give their reasons without mentioning Corbyn?
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Brexit is my big issue this time around, I don’t agree with labours idiotic policy on it.
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Is that more important to you than keeping the NHS and people not dying?
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No.
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Vote labour then because that is exactly what will happen under the Tories.
I mean it could be that all the health professionals are lying but I doubt it.
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Big claim that I haven’t seen any compelling evidence for.
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Are you serious?
Hunt literally wrote a book on it. They're doing it now. It's not up for debate.
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Yes I’m serious. Hunts book was his own opinion, I will need more than that.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
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It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
Profit driven services like this obviously doesn’t benefit anyone but the fat cats at the top of the corporations like BT, Virgin and sky etc etc. It’s in their interest to give worse service and make you pay more money each year. Same with energy
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
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It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
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It wasn't made up. It was an observation about ja606 based on the politics threads. You turned it into something it isn't.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
So, if you don't want Corbyn, you automatically want these things:
You want schools to be underfunded and open part time
You want there to be too few Police
You want nurses to be underpaid
You want chidlren to be hungry
You want people dying on the streets
You want people failed on their health assessments on purpose
You want your own citizens to be deported after 50 years here
You want Grenfell
You want poor public services
Outstanding levels of debate here.
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No one has actually said you want those things if you don't vote Corbyn. They have said those are the things that happen under the Tories and if you vote for them you are complicit.
If you are going to try and join people on a high horse, at least put your foot in the stirrup first.
You'll need to learn to do that if you are going to join the Tories on their fox hunts.
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Go back and look at what was said.
It's quite clearly implied.
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So you made an assumption.
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No, I didn't.
I inferred from the post.
Hope this helps.
Oh and any working class / lower middle class person who votes Tory is a facking deluded brainwashed idiot
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
The crux is the tories have ruined so many services in the UK and let the majority of the people down? Would anyone dispute this?
Now while I can see why many dislike JC, and some of his policies will never fly, labour has to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Can someone thinking of voting Tory give their reasons without mentioning Corbyn?
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Brexit is my big issue this time around, I don’t agree with labours idiotic policy on it.
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Is that more important to you than keeping the NHS and people not dying?
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No.
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Vote labour then because that is exactly what will happen under the Tories.
I mean it could be that all the health professionals are lying but I doubt it.
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Big claim that I haven’t seen any compelling evidence for.
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Are you serious?
Hunt literally wrote a book on it. They're doing it now. It's not up for debate.
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Yes I’m serious. Hunts book was his own opinion, I will need more than that.
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Fml.
40,000 nurses short, 9.5 billion worth of contracts sold off already, the NHS being included with negotiations with the US, hospitals literally on crisis warnings. All facts and then there is all the anecdotal evidence from senior health professionals.
I suspect youre being obtuse tbh as surely no-one can be this ignorant.
Still, dark people eh. Dont want those.
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 9 seconds ago
Oh and any working class / lower middle class person who votes Tory is a facking deluded brainwashed idiot
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Excellent debating skills you have there, is this that “kinder, gentler politics” that I keep hearing about.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
I think remain would win in a second referendum too.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Aye borrow money to give me that please.
Who cares about the kids, they can deal with the mess.
============
Or just tax people properly. Why is so hard to understand? Look at who donates to the Tory party, look at who owns the telegraph and where they live. Wake up!!
Either way if they can find £500bn to bail out their banking mates and spend umtpeen billions more on murder submarines they can afford to let their citizens starve.
Schools are barely open five days a week, kids are hungry, people are dying, the NHS is being sold off.
What's wrong with people that they can be okay with this?
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Many of these problems have arisen as a consequence of the financial crisis and the policies that followed.
If you compare it to football it's like the next round of TV money being way less than now, overnight. Its a fact that people would lose their jobs, cuts would have to be made, there would be suffering,
If you think these issues from the financial crisis are exclusively as a result of Tory policy then you are blinkered.....Labour had our borrowing at sky high levels in the good times....it was like being successful and well paid was not enough, we also had to max out our credit cards and sell off family assets cheaply because we wanted to spend more and more and more.
This is what many people fear because Labour have historically been poor at managing the economy.
The mess we were left with made the deep cuts necessary and while Labour would have borrowed more and cut less that would put us into a position where right now, as we move clear of austerity our debt levels & annual borrowing would be way higher and so much of what we were gaining from a better economy would be used in paying debt. But there was no magic answer, suffering was inevitable. Our spending and borrowing have been slashed but at least that means now that they can increase within a reasonable range (although Labours 5% of GDP is not reasonable IMO). If they were high already then we'd have nowhere to go with extra borrowing and investment.
To make this a choice of suffering under Tories and Happiness and Joy under labour is totally false. EVERYTHING needs to be paid for. Labour's spending simply kicks the 'suffering can' down the road to deal with later.
What if we hit recession in 2 or 3 years. Look at Germany, strongest Euro economy, just avoided it this year...What happens with our sky high borrowing under Labour then? Even greater suffering is the answer.
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Brexit is predicted to cost our economy £700Billion A YEAR for the next 20 years.
Factor that in and then get back to me about Labour borrowing.
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How can you factor that in, when Labours policy on Brexit is errr, wait, wait, wait, hang on, err it's we've leaving, or staying or renegotiating then we may leave. How does one study the impact of that shambles other than at least another year of Brexit uncertainty which is stifling the growth of the economy. People, business, investors are sitting on money waiting for it to end so they can get on with running their business.....In my firm we want to employ 2 new people and move offices....all on hold until Brexit is done. Uncertainty is a killer. People spend less, they take less risks in life and in business, theydont move house, they dont buy a new car as they dont know whats round the corner. It needs to end.
It was also predicted that we'd hit recession and 400000 people would lose their jobs on the back of a Brexit vote. More people employed than ever before and our economy out performing germany right now !
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
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It wasn't made up. It was an observation about ja606 based on the politics threads. You turned it into something it isn't.
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Your observation.... I don’t like Corbyn and I didn’t vote for Brexit
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
The crux is the tories have ruined so many services in the UK and let the majority of the people down? Would anyone dispute this?
Now while I can see why many dislike JC, and some of his policies will never fly, labour has to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Can someone thinking of voting Tory give their reasons without mentioning Corbyn?
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Brexit is my big issue this time around, I don’t agree with labours idiotic policy on it.
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Is that more important to you than keeping the NHS and people not dying?
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No.
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Vote labour then because that is exactly what will happen under the Tories.
I mean it could be that all the health professionals are lying but I doubt it.
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Big claim that I haven’t seen any compelling evidence for.
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Are you serious?
Hunt literally wrote a book on it. They're doing it now. It's not up for debate.
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Yes I’m serious. Hunts book was his own opinion, I will need more than that.
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Fml.
40,000 nurses short, 9.5 billion worth of contracts sold off already, the NHS being included with negotiations with the US, hospitals literally on crisis warnings. All facts and then there is all the anecdotal evidence from senior health professionals.
I suspect youre being obtuse tbh as surely no-one can be this ignorant.
Still, dark people eh. Dont want those.
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You keep making these claims without backing them up.
As for your last comment, disgusting stereotyping of somebody you disagree with.
I’ve tried to engage honestly without derogatory accusations but you seem to be beneath that.
Enjoy your weekend, I’m done here.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
So, if you don't want Corbyn, you automatically want these things:
You want schools to be underfunded and open part time
You want there to be too few Police
You want nurses to be underpaid
You want chidlren to be hungry
You want people dying on the streets
You want people failed on their health assessments on purpose
You want your own citizens to be deported after 50 years here
You want Grenfell
You want poor public services
Outstanding levels of debate here.
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No one has actually said you want those things if you don't vote Corbyn. They have said those are the things that happen under the Tories and if you vote for them you are complicit.
If you are going to try and join people on a high horse, at least put your foot in the stirrup first.
You'll need to learn to do that if you are going to join the Tories on their fox hunts.
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Go back and look at what was said.
It's quite clearly implied.
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So you made an assumption.
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No, I didn't.
I inferred from the post.
Hope this helps.
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Inference:
a guess that you make or an opinion that you form based on the information that you have
So you guessed then.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
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That is basically remaining!
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
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It wasn't made up. It was an observation about ja606 based on the politics threads. You turned it into something it isn't.
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Your observation.... I don’t like Corbyn and I didn’t vote for Brexit
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Then you don't fall into the most.
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
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It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Aye borrow money to give me that please.
Who cares about the kids, they can deal with the mess.
============
Or just tax people properly. Why is so hard to understand? Look at who donates to the Tory party, look at who owns the telegraph and where they live. Wake up!!
Either way if they can find £500bn to bail out their banking mates and spend umtpeen billions more on murder submarines they can afford to let their citizens starve.
Schools are barely open five days a week, kids are hungry, people are dying, the NHS is being sold off.
What's wrong with people that they can be okay with this?
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Many of these problems have arisen as a consequence of the financial crisis and the policies that followed.
If you compare it to football it's like the next round of TV money being way less than now, overnight. Its a fact that people would lose their jobs, cuts would have to be made, there would be suffering,
If you think these issues from the financial crisis are exclusively as a result of Tory policy then you are blinkered.....Labour had our borrowing at sky high levels in the good times....it was like being successful and well paid was not enough, we also had to max out our credit cards and sell off family assets cheaply because we wanted to spend more and more and more.
This is what many people fear because Labour have historically been poor at managing the economy.
The mess we were left with made the deep cuts necessary and while Labour would have borrowed more and cut less that would put us into a position where right now, as we move clear of austerity our debt levels & annual borrowing would be way higher and so much of what we were gaining from a better economy would be used in paying debt. But there was no magic answer, suffering was inevitable. Our spending and borrowing have been slashed but at least that means now that they can increase within a reasonable range (although Labours 5% of GDP is not reasonable IMO). If they were high already then we'd have nowhere to go with extra borrowing and investment.
To make this a choice of suffering under Tories and Happiness and Joy under labour is totally false. EVERYTHING needs to be paid for. Labour's spending simply kicks the 'suffering can' down the road to deal with later.
What if we hit recession in 2 or 3 years. Look at Germany, strongest Euro economy, just avoided it this year...What happens with our sky high borrowing under Labour then? Even greater suffering is the answer.
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Brexit is predicted to cost our economy £700Billion A YEAR for the next 20 years.
Factor that in and then get back to me about Labour borrowing.
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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/boris-johnsons-brexit-deal-will-leave-uk-70-billion-worse-off/30/10/
Sorry. £70Billion a year.
posted on 15/11/19
Either way the NHS will be saved once we leave the EU and they get their £250m instalments.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Fvck Brecit, fvck Boris, fvck Corbyn.
This is your last chance to save the NHS.
Use it.
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posted on 15/11/19
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 22 seconds ago
Either way the NHS will be saved once we leave the EU and they get their £250m instalments.
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Oh yeah!
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
Either way the NHS will be saved once we leave the EU and they get their £250m instalments.
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£350*
posted on 15/11/19
Brexit means Brexit.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Brexit means Brexit.
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Red White & Blue Brexit.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
The crux is the tories have ruined so many services in the UK and let the majority of the people down? Would anyone dispute this?
Now while I can see why many dislike JC, and some of his policies will never fly, labour has to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Can someone thinking of voting Tory give their reasons without mentioning Corbyn?
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Brexit is my big issue this time around, I don’t agree with labours idiotic policy on it.
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Is that more important to you than keeping the NHS and people not dying?
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No.
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Vote labour then because that is exactly what will happen under the Tories.
I mean it could be that all the health professionals are lying but I doubt it.
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Big claim that I haven’t seen any compelling evidence for.
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Are you serious?
Hunt literally wrote a book on it. They're doing it now. It's not up for debate.
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Yes I’m serious. Hunts book was his own opinion, I will need more than that.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
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It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
posted on 15/11/19
Profit driven services like this obviously doesn’t benefit anyone but the fat cats at the top of the corporations like BT, Virgin and sky etc etc. It’s in their interest to give worse service and make you pay more money each year. Same with energy
posted on 15/11/19
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
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It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
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It wasn't made up. It was an observation about ja606 based on the politics threads. You turned it into something it isn't.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
So, if you don't want Corbyn, you automatically want these things:
You want schools to be underfunded and open part time
You want there to be too few Police
You want nurses to be underpaid
You want chidlren to be hungry
You want people dying on the streets
You want people failed on their health assessments on purpose
You want your own citizens to be deported after 50 years here
You want Grenfell
You want poor public services
Outstanding levels of debate here.
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No one has actually said you want those things if you don't vote Corbyn. They have said those are the things that happen under the Tories and if you vote for them you are complicit.
If you are going to try and join people on a high horse, at least put your foot in the stirrup first.
You'll need to learn to do that if you are going to join the Tories on their fox hunts.
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Go back and look at what was said.
It's quite clearly implied.
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So you made an assumption.
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No, I didn't.
I inferred from the post.
Hope this helps.
posted on 15/11/19
Oh and any working class / lower middle class person who votes Tory is a facking deluded brainwashed idiot
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
The crux is the tories have ruined so many services in the UK and let the majority of the people down? Would anyone dispute this?
Now while I can see why many dislike JC, and some of his policies will never fly, labour has to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Can someone thinking of voting Tory give their reasons without mentioning Corbyn?
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Brexit is my big issue this time around, I don’t agree with labours idiotic policy on it.
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Is that more important to you than keeping the NHS and people not dying?
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No.
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Vote labour then because that is exactly what will happen under the Tories.
I mean it could be that all the health professionals are lying but I doubt it.
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Big claim that I haven’t seen any compelling evidence for.
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Are you serious?
Hunt literally wrote a book on it. They're doing it now. It's not up for debate.
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Yes I’m serious. Hunts book was his own opinion, I will need more than that.
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Fml.
40,000 nurses short, 9.5 billion worth of contracts sold off already, the NHS being included with negotiations with the US, hospitals literally on crisis warnings. All facts and then there is all the anecdotal evidence from senior health professionals.
I suspect youre being obtuse tbh as surely no-one can be this ignorant.
Still, dark people eh. Dont want those.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 9 seconds ago
Oh and any working class / lower middle class person who votes Tory is a facking deluded brainwashed idiot
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Excellent debating skills you have there, is this that “kinder, gentler politics” that I keep hearing about.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
I think remain would win in a second referendum too.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Aye borrow money to give me that please.
Who cares about the kids, they can deal with the mess.
============
Or just tax people properly. Why is so hard to understand? Look at who donates to the Tory party, look at who owns the telegraph and where they live. Wake up!!
Either way if they can find £500bn to bail out their banking mates and spend umtpeen billions more on murder submarines they can afford to let their citizens starve.
Schools are barely open five days a week, kids are hungry, people are dying, the NHS is being sold off.
What's wrong with people that they can be okay with this?
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Many of these problems have arisen as a consequence of the financial crisis and the policies that followed.
If you compare it to football it's like the next round of TV money being way less than now, overnight. Its a fact that people would lose their jobs, cuts would have to be made, there would be suffering,
If you think these issues from the financial crisis are exclusively as a result of Tory policy then you are blinkered.....Labour had our borrowing at sky high levels in the good times....it was like being successful and well paid was not enough, we also had to max out our credit cards and sell off family assets cheaply because we wanted to spend more and more and more.
This is what many people fear because Labour have historically been poor at managing the economy.
The mess we were left with made the deep cuts necessary and while Labour would have borrowed more and cut less that would put us into a position where right now, as we move clear of austerity our debt levels & annual borrowing would be way higher and so much of what we were gaining from a better economy would be used in paying debt. But there was no magic answer, suffering was inevitable. Our spending and borrowing have been slashed but at least that means now that they can increase within a reasonable range (although Labours 5% of GDP is not reasonable IMO). If they were high already then we'd have nowhere to go with extra borrowing and investment.
To make this a choice of suffering under Tories and Happiness and Joy under labour is totally false. EVERYTHING needs to be paid for. Labour's spending simply kicks the 'suffering can' down the road to deal with later.
What if we hit recession in 2 or 3 years. Look at Germany, strongest Euro economy, just avoided it this year...What happens with our sky high borrowing under Labour then? Even greater suffering is the answer.
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Brexit is predicted to cost our economy £700Billion A YEAR for the next 20 years.
Factor that in and then get back to me about Labour borrowing.
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How can you factor that in, when Labours policy on Brexit is errr, wait, wait, wait, hang on, err it's we've leaving, or staying or renegotiating then we may leave. How does one study the impact of that shambles other than at least another year of Brexit uncertainty which is stifling the growth of the economy. People, business, investors are sitting on money waiting for it to end so they can get on with running their business.....In my firm we want to employ 2 new people and move offices....all on hold until Brexit is done. Uncertainty is a killer. People spend less, they take less risks in life and in business, theydont move house, they dont buy a new car as they dont know whats round the corner. It needs to end.
It was also predicted that we'd hit recession and 400000 people would lose their jobs on the back of a Brexit vote. More people employed than ever before and our economy out performing germany right now !
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
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It wasn't made up. It was an observation about ja606 based on the politics threads. You turned it into something it isn't.
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Your observation.... I don’t like Corbyn and I didn’t vote for Brexit
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
The crux is the tories have ruined so many services in the UK and let the majority of the people down? Would anyone dispute this?
Now while I can see why many dislike JC, and some of his policies will never fly, labour has to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Can someone thinking of voting Tory give their reasons without mentioning Corbyn?
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Brexit is my big issue this time around, I don’t agree with labours idiotic policy on it.
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Is that more important to you than keeping the NHS and people not dying?
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No.
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Vote labour then because that is exactly what will happen under the Tories.
I mean it could be that all the health professionals are lying but I doubt it.
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Big claim that I haven’t seen any compelling evidence for.
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Are you serious?
Hunt literally wrote a book on it. They're doing it now. It's not up for debate.
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Yes I’m serious. Hunts book was his own opinion, I will need more than that.
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Fml.
40,000 nurses short, 9.5 billion worth of contracts sold off already, the NHS being included with negotiations with the US, hospitals literally on crisis warnings. All facts and then there is all the anecdotal evidence from senior health professionals.
I suspect youre being obtuse tbh as surely no-one can be this ignorant.
Still, dark people eh. Dont want those.
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You keep making these claims without backing them up.
As for your last comment, disgusting stereotyping of somebody you disagree with.
I’ve tried to engage honestly without derogatory accusations but you seem to be beneath that.
Enjoy your weekend, I’m done here.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
So, if you don't want Corbyn, you automatically want these things:
You want schools to be underfunded and open part time
You want there to be too few Police
You want nurses to be underpaid
You want chidlren to be hungry
You want people dying on the streets
You want people failed on their health assessments on purpose
You want your own citizens to be deported after 50 years here
You want Grenfell
You want poor public services
Outstanding levels of debate here.
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No one has actually said you want those things if you don't vote Corbyn. They have said those are the things that happen under the Tories and if you vote for them you are complicit.
If you are going to try and join people on a high horse, at least put your foot in the stirrup first.
You'll need to learn to do that if you are going to join the Tories on their fox hunts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Go back and look at what was said.
It's quite clearly implied.
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So you made an assumption.
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No, I didn't.
I inferred from the post.
Hope this helps.
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Inference:
a guess that you make or an opinion that you form based on the information that you have
So you guessed then.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
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That is basically remaining!
posted on 15/11/19
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's mental mate the way some people seem to think!
Of course Brexit is the reason why so many jobs will be lost, but you know freedom
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is ironic that most of the people complaining about Corbyn and his economic policies, will quite happily vote for Brexit which is going to have a massive economic impact.
I have yet to see one person tell me a good reason to vote Tory that doesn't involve them talking about Corbyn. At least Labour have some policies to talk about.
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Well that’s made up opinion. Was the traditional labour voting areas that voted to leave, bar Scotland.
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You mean the areas that the Tories are targeting to win back by pushing Brexit and their anti-Corbyn propaganda?
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I mean your nonsense about most of the people is completely made up opinion.
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It wasn't made up. It was an observation about ja606 based on the politics threads. You turned it into something it isn't.
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Your observation.... I don’t like Corbyn and I didn’t vote for Brexit
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Then you don't fall into the most.
posted on 15/11/19
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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