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posted 40 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
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That is basically remaining!
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I want to remain. There is no good version of Brexit.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
I think remain would win in a second referendum too.
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Ok 7%, but given tax would be 18% in 2020 by time they could implement changes it’s still 8%. If they went pre 2011, think 2010 must’ve been 28% then.
And I’m sure they’d get that through parliament no bother.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 12 seconds ago
Something needs doing about broadband though, we can only get superfast at ours, ultrafast still not available ffs it's 2019 we shouldn't be living in these conditions. Whoever can bring ultrafast to my postcode will get a vote from me. And that's coming from a big dial up fan.
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To be fair, there are a lot of areas where it isn't available and private corporations have no interest in building the infrastructure there are its not profitable for them.
Broadband is becoming a key infrastructure in this country and infrastructure that is key to the economy and its citizens should be publicly controlled.
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It should be free, like you say its becoming an essential part of life, companies are making billions off our complete addiction (while often necessary) to the Internet.
I don't think it ever will actually be completely free but if Labour can tax large providers more and get that money used to reduce cost, make some places free WiFi etc. It's a start.
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A start (possibly something that could already be done) would be to make very basic necessary speeds free for everybody, with increases depending on how fast you need from that point upwards.
With how many local branches of banks in towns, and other services that are geared towards needing the internet just to pay bills, bank, even paying council tax etc - these things can be done with limited internet speed and should be accessible for everybody whatever income you are on.
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Great point, I work in digital banking and its fast becoming the only way a customer engages with their bank.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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Facts is what I’m asking for. All I’m getting is claims, anecdotes and insults.
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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Facts is what I’m asking for. All I’m getting is claims, anecdotes and insults.
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www.lmgtfy.com
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh and any working class / lower middle class person who votes Tory is a facking deluded brainwashed idiot
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Quite.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
I think remain would win in a second referendum too.
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Ok 7%, but given tax would be 18% in 2020 by time they could implement changes it’s still 8%. If they went pre 2011, think 2010 must’ve been 28% then.
And I’m sure they’d get that through parliament no bother.
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They would if they have a majority. I imagine SNP and Greens would vote it through too if it were a coalition. Lib Dems have proposed an increase in corporation tax to 26% too, so may vote it through.
Obviously with hung parliaments, we are entering US territory with the opposition just voting everything down.
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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Facts is what I’m asking for. All I’m getting is claims, anecdotes and insults.
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Standard Hoody
My Mrs is a nurse, a great one that used to love her job but it's got to the point she is breaking down when she gets home, or before she leaves for work in a morning because she literally feels scared of the consequences of not being able to do her job properly.
I myself have been visiting hospital around 3 or 4 times a week for the last 7 weeks to see my Nan who was as fit as a fiddle up to the day she went in to hospital (as fit and able as you can be for an 84 year old).
Unfortunately she died last week, but the time spent there was a real eye opener to see the current state of the NHS and just how shamefully under funded it has got, the wards are at break point. It is near on impossible for the nurses and HCA's to give the level of care the patients need and it's horrible to see.
I will continue to read up on all parties policies and whichever I see in the best interests of the NHS will get my vote.
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Aye borrow money to give me that please.
Who cares about the kids, they can deal with the mess.
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Or just tax people properly. Why is so hard to understand? Look at who donates to the Tory party, look at who owns the telegraph and where they live. Wake up!!
Either way if they can find £500bn to bail out their banking mates and spend umtpeen billions more on murder submarines they can afford to let their citizens starve.
Schools are barely open five days a week, kids are hungry, people are dying, the NHS is being sold off.
What's wrong with people that they can be okay with this?
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Many of these problems have arisen as a consequence of the financial crisis and the policies that followed.
If you compare it to football it's like the next round of TV money being way less than now, overnight. Its a fact that people would lose their jobs, cuts would have to be made, there would be suffering,
If you think these issues from the financial crisis are exclusively as a result of Tory policy then you are blinkered.....Labour had our borrowing at sky high levels in the good times....it was like being successful and well paid was not enough, we also had to max out our credit cards and sell off family assets cheaply because we wanted to spend more and more and more.
This is what many people fear because Labour have historically been poor at managing the economy.
The mess we were left with made the deep cuts necessary and while Labour would have borrowed more and cut less that would put us into a position where right now, as we move clear of austerity our debt levels & annual borrowing would be way higher and so much of what we were gaining from a better economy would be used in paying debt. But there was no magic answer, suffering was inevitable. Our spending and borrowing have been slashed but at least that means now that they can increase within a reasonable range (although Labours 5% of GDP is not reasonable IMO). If they were high already then we'd have nowhere to go with extra borrowing and investment.
To make this a choice of suffering under Tories and Happiness and Joy under labour is totally false. EVERYTHING needs to be paid for. Labour's spending simply kicks the 'suffering can' down the road to deal with later.
What if we hit recession in 2 or 3 years. Look at Germany, strongest Euro economy, just avoided it this year...What happens with our sky high borrowing under Labour then? Even greater suffering is the answer.
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Brexit is predicted to cost our economy £700Billion A YEAR for the next 20 years.
Factor that in and then get back to me about Labour borrowing.
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How can you factor that in, when Labours policy on Brexit is errr, wait, wait, wait, hang on, err it's we've leaving, or staying or renegotiating then we may leave. How does one study the impact of that shambles other than at least another year of Brexit uncertainty which is stifling the growth of the economy. People, business, investors are sitting on money waiting for it to end so they can get on with running their business.....In my firm we want to employ 2 new people and move offices....all on hold until Brexit is done. Uncertainty is a killer. People spend less, they take less risks in life and in business, theydont move house, they dont buy a new car as they dont know whats round the corner. It needs to end.
It was also predicted that we'd hit recession and 400000 people would lose their jobs on the back of a Brexit vote. More people employed than ever before and our economy out performing germany right now!
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If/when the WAB passes, given the scope required to salvage the economy, any potential EU/UK FTA will take years.
No country in modern history has ever attempted to downgrade it’s market access to a free trade area (as no-one has been that stupid) so the governments’ 11 month window is absolute and utter nonsense.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 45 seconds ago
My Mrs is a nurse, a great one that used to love her job but it's got to the point she is breaking down when she gets home, or before she leaves for work in a morning because she literally feels scared of the consequences of not being able to do her job properly.
I myself have been visiting hospital around 3 or 4 times a week for the last 7 weeks to see my Nan who was as fit as a fiddle up to the day she went in to hospital (as fit and able as you can be for an 84 year old).
Unfortunately she died last week, but the time spent there was a real eye opener to see the current state of the NHS and just how shamefully under funded it has got, the wards are at break point. It is near on impossible for the nurses and HCA's to give the level of care the patients need and it's horrible to see.
I will continue to read up on all parties policies and whichever I see in the best interests of the NHS will get my vote.
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Sorry to hear about your nan m8, heartbreaking story.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 25 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Tony Blair is a war criminal.
Corbyn is not comparable to him.
The Tories are worse than him.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 34 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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That was new labour. Doesnt count!
Its like when VAR says someones offside, its 100% accurate, black and white, unless its Firmino and then there's a conspiracy from United favouring officials manipulating the process
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
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Fair enough
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 25 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Tony Blair is a war criminal.
Corbyn is not comparable to him.
The Tories are worse than him.
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This.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
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He's getting hammered for supporting trident but then claiming he'd never use it - an absolutely bonkers position.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
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Fair enough
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All I care about is the NHS and vulnerable people being left to die due to austerity. That's it.
I grew up under the Tories, went to grammar school and all in all have done rather well out of them but make no mistake a vote for the Tories is a vote to get rid of the NHS. It's just not right. I left the NHS because of these people. They're awful and its social cleansing pure and simple.
Get them out or there is blood on your hands Imo.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
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Fair enough
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All I care about is the NHS and vulnerable people being left to die due to austerity. That's it.
I grew up under the Tories, went to grammar school and all in all have done rather well out of them but make no mistake a vote for the Tories is a vote to get rid of the NHS. It's just not right. I left the NHS because of these people. They're awful and its social cleansing pure and simple.
Get them out or there is blood on your hands Imo.
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My brother works in Health Care recruitment in the city BTW. I doubt you'd want to disclose who you work for on here but it'd be funny if it was the same company.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
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If you think about the reason someone might have to press that button ( the fundamental purpose of them being a deterrent ), it would be to protect the millions of his citizens he was trusted to protect.
Its an impossible question to answer if you are going to frame it how you have, but in the reality of a dire situation where pressing it is an real option, stating he'd never press it totally defeats the object of having a deterrent.
He seems like a leader who is incapable of taking any tough decisions. I think he should go on the Apprentice, be made project manager for a task and see how he does. Then we can judge him properly!
Robbing and Ebdo are brothers
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
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If you think about the reason someone might have to press that button ( the fundamental purpose of them being a deterrent ), it would be to protect the millions of his citizens he was trusted to protect.
Its an impossible question to answer if you are going to frame it how you have, but in the reality of a dire situation where pressing it is an real option, stating he'd never press it totally defeats the object of having a deterrent.
He seems like a leader who is incapable of taking any tough decisions. I think he should go on the Apprentice, be made project manager for a task and see how he does. Then we can judge him properly!
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Making all the political leaders go on the apprentice is a much better idea that a TV debate where we learn nothing of substance.
Tamwolf (U17286)
Infer - Deduce or conclude (something) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.
So no, it's not a guess.
It's what we all spend our lives doing because most things are not said literally.
Let me know if you need further help with this.
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posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
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That is basically remaining!
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I want to remain. There is no good version of Brexit.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
I think remain would win in a second referendum too.
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Ok 7%, but given tax would be 18% in 2020 by time they could implement changes it’s still 8%. If they went pre 2011, think 2010 must’ve been 28% then.
And I’m sure they’d get that through parliament no bother.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 12 seconds ago
Something needs doing about broadband though, we can only get superfast at ours, ultrafast still not available ffs it's 2019 we shouldn't be living in these conditions. Whoever can bring ultrafast to my postcode will get a vote from me. And that's coming from a big dial up fan.
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To be fair, there are a lot of areas where it isn't available and private corporations have no interest in building the infrastructure there are its not profitable for them.
Broadband is becoming a key infrastructure in this country and infrastructure that is key to the economy and its citizens should be publicly controlled.
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It should be free, like you say its becoming an essential part of life, companies are making billions off our complete addiction (while often necessary) to the Internet.
I don't think it ever will actually be completely free but if Labour can tax large providers more and get that money used to reduce cost, make some places free WiFi etc. It's a start.
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A start (possibly something that could already be done) would be to make very basic necessary speeds free for everybody, with increases depending on how fast you need from that point upwards.
With how many local branches of banks in towns, and other services that are geared towards needing the internet just to pay bills, bank, even paying council tax etc - these things can be done with limited internet speed and should be accessible for everybody whatever income you are on.
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Great point, I work in digital banking and its fast becoming the only way a customer engages with their bank.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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Facts is what I’m asking for. All I’m getting is claims, anecdotes and insults.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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Facts is what I’m asking for. All I’m getting is claims, anecdotes and insults.
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www.lmgtfy.com
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh and any working class / lower middle class person who votes Tory is a facking deluded brainwashed idiot
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Quite.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 45 seconds ago
Aye spending 80bn on Broadband will fix the above. Bailing out banks was a bad thing? As if that helped bankers and not everyone?
His plans for tax will see a lot more jobs leave the UK.
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Explain why his tax plans will see businesses leave the UK? We currently have lower corporation tax than most major EU nations and the US.
Do you think the corporations only set up here because of low tax and it has nothing to do with infrastructure and the populace?
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There has been an increase in tax revenue following recent cuts to the corp tax rate.
Looking at probably the biggest contributing industry, financial services have already seen jobs lost with Brexit with more planned. Raising the corp tax rate by 10% would have an impact.
While I agree the personal tax increases Labour would introduce I don’t the corp tax ones.
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They have not proposed to increase it by 10%. As far as I have seen they have proposed to increase it back to 2011 levels.
You also expect the cash value of corporation tax to increase each year as the economy grows. It is very myopic only to look at it in those terms (which is what the Tories want and what they try with the NHS when only talking monetary values).
The rate against GDP has dipped several times and it has decreased as a percentage of the overall government intake. The monetary rates also ignore the measures that have been put in place to avoid losing revenue overseas, which although they don't go far enough (look at Jacob Rees-Mogg's company) they have had some impact. Government reports have also stated that intake would have increased if the rate was higher.
In terms of Brexit, that is going to have a far bigger impact than any of Corbyn's policies. I don't want to leave the EU anyway.
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Pretty sure 2011 rates would mean a 10% rise....
I don’t want Brexit either, but the idea Labour could negotiate a deal following a people’s say in a few months is farcical. Would leave us in the exact same position.
Currently I can only see it as picking between two devils if you don’t vote Liberal.
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Its currently 19% and in 2011 it was 26%. That is a 7% rise.
I don't think it is farcical. They want to negotiate staying in the single market and customs union. Its a much simpler deal than the one Boris is trying to screw everyone with.
I think remain would win in a second referendum too.
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Ok 7%, but given tax would be 18% in 2020 by time they could implement changes it’s still 8%. If they went pre 2011, think 2010 must’ve been 28% then.
And I’m sure they’d get that through parliament no bother.
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They would if they have a majority. I imagine SNP and Greens would vote it through too if it were a coalition. Lib Dems have proposed an increase in corporation tax to 26% too, so may vote it through.
Obviously with hung parliaments, we are entering US territory with the opposition just voting everything down.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Ignore all the facts about the NHS because your ego is bruised.
This sh!t is serious and if you vote Tory youre complicit to it end of.
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Facts is what I’m asking for. All I’m getting is claims, anecdotes and insults.
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Standard Hoody
posted on 15/11/19
My Mrs is a nurse, a great one that used to love her job but it's got to the point she is breaking down when she gets home, or before she leaves for work in a morning because she literally feels scared of the consequences of not being able to do her job properly.
I myself have been visiting hospital around 3 or 4 times a week for the last 7 weeks to see my Nan who was as fit as a fiddle up to the day she went in to hospital (as fit and able as you can be for an 84 year old).
Unfortunately she died last week, but the time spent there was a real eye opener to see the current state of the NHS and just how shamefully under funded it has got, the wards are at break point. It is near on impossible for the nurses and HCA's to give the level of care the patients need and it's horrible to see.
I will continue to read up on all parties policies and whichever I see in the best interests of the NHS will get my vote.
posted on 15/11/19
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Aye borrow money to give me that please.
Who cares about the kids, they can deal with the mess.
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Or just tax people properly. Why is so hard to understand? Look at who donates to the Tory party, look at who owns the telegraph and where they live. Wake up!!
Either way if they can find £500bn to bail out their banking mates and spend umtpeen billions more on murder submarines they can afford to let their citizens starve.
Schools are barely open five days a week, kids are hungry, people are dying, the NHS is being sold off.
What's wrong with people that they can be okay with this?
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Many of these problems have arisen as a consequence of the financial crisis and the policies that followed.
If you compare it to football it's like the next round of TV money being way less than now, overnight. Its a fact that people would lose their jobs, cuts would have to be made, there would be suffering,
If you think these issues from the financial crisis are exclusively as a result of Tory policy then you are blinkered.....Labour had our borrowing at sky high levels in the good times....it was like being successful and well paid was not enough, we also had to max out our credit cards and sell off family assets cheaply because we wanted to spend more and more and more.
This is what many people fear because Labour have historically been poor at managing the economy.
The mess we were left with made the deep cuts necessary and while Labour would have borrowed more and cut less that would put us into a position where right now, as we move clear of austerity our debt levels & annual borrowing would be way higher and so much of what we were gaining from a better economy would be used in paying debt. But there was no magic answer, suffering was inevitable. Our spending and borrowing have been slashed but at least that means now that they can increase within a reasonable range (although Labours 5% of GDP is not reasonable IMO). If they were high already then we'd have nowhere to go with extra borrowing and investment.
To make this a choice of suffering under Tories and Happiness and Joy under labour is totally false. EVERYTHING needs to be paid for. Labour's spending simply kicks the 'suffering can' down the road to deal with later.
What if we hit recession in 2 or 3 years. Look at Germany, strongest Euro economy, just avoided it this year...What happens with our sky high borrowing under Labour then? Even greater suffering is the answer.
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Brexit is predicted to cost our economy £700Billion A YEAR for the next 20 years.
Factor that in and then get back to me about Labour borrowing.
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How can you factor that in, when Labours policy on Brexit is errr, wait, wait, wait, hang on, err it's we've leaving, or staying or renegotiating then we may leave. How does one study the impact of that shambles other than at least another year of Brexit uncertainty which is stifling the growth of the economy. People, business, investors are sitting on money waiting for it to end so they can get on with running their business.....In my firm we want to employ 2 new people and move offices....all on hold until Brexit is done. Uncertainty is a killer. People spend less, they take less risks in life and in business, theydont move house, they dont buy a new car as they dont know whats round the corner. It needs to end.
It was also predicted that we'd hit recession and 400000 people would lose their jobs on the back of a Brexit vote. More people employed than ever before and our economy out performing germany right now!
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If/when the WAB passes, given the scope required to salvage the economy, any potential EU/UK FTA will take years.
No country in modern history has ever attempted to downgrade it’s market access to a free trade area (as no-one has been that stupid) so the governments’ 11 month window is absolute and utter nonsense.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 45 seconds ago
My Mrs is a nurse, a great one that used to love her job but it's got to the point she is breaking down when she gets home, or before she leaves for work in a morning because she literally feels scared of the consequences of not being able to do her job properly.
I myself have been visiting hospital around 3 or 4 times a week for the last 7 weeks to see my Nan who was as fit as a fiddle up to the day she went in to hospital (as fit and able as you can be for an 84 year old).
Unfortunately she died last week, but the time spent there was a real eye opener to see the current state of the NHS and just how shamefully under funded it has got, the wards are at break point. It is near on impossible for the nurses and HCA's to give the level of care the patients need and it's horrible to see.
I will continue to read up on all parties policies and whichever I see in the best interests of the NHS will get my vote.
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Sorry to hear about your nan m8, heartbreaking story.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 25 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Tony Blair is a war criminal.
Corbyn is not comparable to him.
The Tories are worse than him.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 34 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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That was new labour. Doesnt count!
Its like when VAR says someones offside, its 100% accurate, black and white, unless its Firmino and then there's a conspiracy from United favouring officials manipulating the process
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
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Fair enough
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 25 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Tony Blair is a war criminal.
Corbyn is not comparable to him.
The Tories are worse than him.
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This.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
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He's getting hammered for supporting trident but then claiming he'd never use it - an absolutely bonkers position.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
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Fair enough
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All I care about is the NHS and vulnerable people being left to die due to austerity. That's it.
I grew up under the Tories, went to grammar school and all in all have done rather well out of them but make no mistake a vote for the Tories is a vote to get rid of the NHS. It's just not right. I left the NHS because of these people. They're awful and its social cleansing pure and simple.
Get them out or there is blood on your hands Imo.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 19 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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Nope. Hate Blair, he should be in jail. Literally marched against it.
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Fair enough
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All I care about is the NHS and vulnerable people being left to die due to austerity. That's it.
I grew up under the Tories, went to grammar school and all in all have done rather well out of them but make no mistake a vote for the Tories is a vote to get rid of the NHS. It's just not right. I left the NHS because of these people. They're awful and its social cleansing pure and simple.
Get them out or there is blood on your hands Imo.
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My brother works in Health Care recruitment in the city BTW. I doubt you'd want to disclose who you work for on here but it'd be funny if it was the same company.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
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If you think about the reason someone might have to press that button ( the fundamental purpose of them being a deterrent ), it would be to protect the millions of his citizens he was trusted to protect.
Its an impossible question to answer if you are going to frame it how you have, but in the reality of a dire situation where pressing it is an real option, stating he'd never press it totally defeats the object of having a deterrent.
He seems like a leader who is incapable of taking any tough decisions. I think he should go on the Apprentice, be made project manager for a task and see how he does. Then we can judge him properly!
posted on 15/11/19
Robbing and Ebdo are brothers
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 0 seconds ago
I wonder if Robbing_Hoody was as vocal about deaths and supportive of Labour when / after a Labour government led us into an illegal war with Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians?
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20 years ago.
And plenty of Labour supporters and MP’s (INCLUDING Jeremy Corbyn) were vehemently against the Iraq War.
Now he’s getting hammered for saying he wouldn’t press the Nuclear Button and murder millions of innocent people in a flash.
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If you think about the reason someone might have to press that button ( the fundamental purpose of them being a deterrent ), it would be to protect the millions of his citizens he was trusted to protect.
Its an impossible question to answer if you are going to frame it how you have, but in the reality of a dire situation where pressing it is an real option, stating he'd never press it totally defeats the object of having a deterrent.
He seems like a leader who is incapable of taking any tough decisions. I think he should go on the Apprentice, be made project manager for a task and see how he does. Then we can judge him properly!
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Making all the political leaders go on the apprentice is a much better idea that a TV debate where we learn nothing of substance.
posted on 15/11/19
Tamwolf (U17286)
Infer - Deduce or conclude (something) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.
So no, it's not a guess.
It's what we all spend our lives doing because most things are not said literally.
Let me know if you need further help with this.
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