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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with who is the best, it’s simply about exposure. More people would have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world than Souness.
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How would more people have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world? Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era, which he captained and was a star player of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Surely the answer is obvious?
Souness played in a pre-internet, pre-satellite TV era.
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Bear in mind that no English football match was broadcast live between 1960 and the 1980s..
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
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Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
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Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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Never go full potato
FA cup finals were broadcast live
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with who is the best, it’s simply about exposure. More people would have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world than Souness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How would more people have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world? Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era, which he captained and was a star player of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Surely the answer is obvious?
Souness played in a pre-internet, pre-satellite TV era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, however many don't need to watch domestic games to get the exposure that Souness got. Winning three European Cups, for example. In fact I'd suggest more Europeans would watch those games than watch the PL.
It’s funny that Pogba gets labeled a flop when last year he was the most productive midfielder in Europe’s major leagues in terms of goals and assists.
Sure he hasn’t lived up to expectations and been hot and cold but a flop? That’s Naby Keita
He had a fuzzy perm and a tach in a Liverpool shirt. Could be any scouse 'Yosser' who normally robs your house.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with who is the best, it’s simply about exposure. More people would have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world than Souness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How would more people have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world? Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era, which he captained and was a star player of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Surely the answer is obvious?
Souness played in a pre-internet, pre-satellite TV era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, however many don't need to watch domestic games to get the exposure that Souness got. Winning three European Cups, for example. In fact I'd suggest more Europeans would watch those games than watch the PL.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe so,but unless Pogba as a spermm popped out
of his dad's belllendd on match day to watch the finals then why would he know who Souness was.
Global tv audiences in the 90’s, 00’s and 10’s for domestic and European football are incomparable to when Souness played.
They played for arguably the most famous team on the planet with some of the most famous players on the planet in Beckham, Rooney and Ronaldo. And that’s without even mentioning the internet.
Souness would have never, ever have had that kind of exposure on global level - despite playing for the European champions. I can’t believe this is even a discussion.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
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Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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This here is the measure of intelligence. 20 Years from now people will be saying "you only beat Atletico"/
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
FA cup finals were broadcast live
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I should’ve specified football league. Still, Souness left Liverpool a year after they started to broadcast league games. His exposure to non match-going fans would’ve been minimal when he was at his best. I have no doubt he was a decent player. I just seriously doubt many people outside of England knew about him.
There’s an anecdote about Souness playing Bucharest - the return leg in Bucharest after he broke their captain’s jaw in the first tie at Anfield - and the Bucharest fans were baying for his blood. What makes the telling of it amusing is that once the Liverpool players realised the fans were after Souness they began pointing him out to the fans. It wasn’t until the other Liverpool players on the team bus pointed him out that the Bucharest fans were able to identify and direct their anger at him...
Doesn’t suggest his profile was particularly high.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
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Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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Nonsense.
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team. Ajax for example would have had nearly the whole Dutch team. Bruges the whole Belgian team. Bucharest, the Romanian team. Yes Romania isn't great nowadays but they had good sides back then. If it were the same today Bruges may have players like Courtois, Kompany, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, playing for them.
Since the relaxation of the foreigner rules and the game becoming more international, players don't stay in those countries. People need to understand that football today is not the same as football back then.
comment by Matth_2015 (U20438)
posted 8 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
It is a slightly odd comment as it's not like Pogba hasn't won anything. Like you say he has a World Cup that Souness doesn't have. He does also have 4 league titles to his name.
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He was named in the World Cup team of the tournament as well ( I think ).
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Really? That’s a shocker if so. Wasn’t even in frances top 7/8 players
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team.
-
This is a very modern revision that’s easily dismantled by looking at the international records of the various nations at the time. How many world class players even nowadays come from those less developed footballing nations? Now take that back in time 50+ years to when those nations were even further behind the likes of Germany, England Holland and Spain.
They might’ve retained the one top class player that might’ve got into one of the other sides from the aforementioned nations, but they were few and far between.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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Nonsense.
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team. Ajax for example would have had nearly the whole Dutch team. Bruges the whole Belgian team. Bucharest, the Romanian team. Yes Romania isn't great nowadays but they had good sides back then. If it were the same today Bruges may have players like Courtois, Kompany, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, playing for them.
Since the relaxation of the foreigner rules and the game becoming more international, players don't stay in those countries. People need to understand that football today is not the same as football back then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The European cup back then didn't have groups before the knockouts.
It was a straight draw 1st round/2nd round quarter semi then final.
That is 8 games to get to the final,those games up until the final often only televised for the nations those teams played in.
The likes of Souness would only be seen by any large foreign audience in the final,if they bothered to watch.
His exposure to the masses would have been nothing like it is today,period.
Toor will argue anything.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 36 seconds ago
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team.
-
This is a very modern revision that’s easily dismantled by looking at the international records of the various nations at the time. How many world class players even nowadays come from those less developed footballing nations? Now take that back in time 50+ years to when those nations were even further behind the likes of Germany, England Holland and Spain.
They might’ve retained the one top class player that might’ve got into one of the other sides from the aforementioned nations, but they were few and far between.
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No it isn't. It is what happened at the time. Bruges were a top side evidenced by getting to the final of the pinnacle of club football, beating Juventus home and away, without conceding a goal, who had just put of Ajax. Beating Atletico Madrid the round before that.
Yes there were much easier games in the earlier rounds as teams from weaker countries were allowed a chance and it wasn't as much about money. However it is doing a disservice to Bruges to put them amongst those teams, considering their achievements.
TOOR,
I get the point your making, but a cursory Google of the route Liverpool took to the European Cup final’s in the 70s does illustrate that it was a bit of a cake walk competition for the English, Dutch and German teams.
Between 1971 and 1981, three teams won it three times.
Let’s also remember that either side of Liverpool winning their third, Villa and Nottingham Forest won it three times between them...
I’m still trying to get my head around how anyone can think a global audience would be more exposed to Souness in the 80’s than Keane and Scholes in the 90’s/00’s10’s.
I’ve heard Toor come out with some shiiiiiit in his time, this is probably the most ridiculous.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR,
I get the point your making, but a cursory Google of the route Liverpool took to the European Cup final’s in the 70s does illustrate that it was a bit of a cake walk competition for the English, Dutch and German teams.
Between 1971 and 1981, three teams won it three times.
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I'm not sure what point you're arguing here? You're arguing that the CL is more difficult to win that the European Cup as it has a greater quantity of top teams?
If so, this was not what I was debating. I was debating that "the European Cup was crap in them days...it had teams like Bruges...".
The debate you're having is a separate one all together, which I'm also not sure I agree with. The group stages are usually pointless as you know who is going through. Then you have four ties. You don't play all of the best teams, only who you draw. So yes, perhaps most of the time, it's more difficult, depending on the draw but there's not this great big disparity that modern fans appear to think and most certainly the European Cup wasn't crap ffs.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I’m still trying to get my head around how anyone can think a global audience would be more exposed to Souness in the 80’s than Keane and Scholes in the 90’s/00’s10’s.
I’ve heard Toor come out with some shiiiiiit in his time, this is probably the most ridiculous.
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Because most of Europe watched Souness lift the European Cup, as a star player, top goalscorer and captain, of one of the best teams on the planet and many of those wouldn't watch the PL, like many wouldn't watch La Liga here but they watch the CL.
Also due to the lack of options, it was a massive thing to get to watch these games and see these great players, whereas nowadays you can specifically pick and choose what you want to watch.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR,
I get the point your making, but a cursory Google of the route Liverpool took to the European Cup final’s in the 70s does illustrate that it was a bit of a cake walk competition for the English, Dutch and German teams.
Between 1971 and 1981, three teams won it three times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure what point you're arguing here? You're arguing that the CL is more difficult to win that the European Cup as it has a greater quantity of top teams?
If so, this was not what I was debating. I was debating that "the European Cup was crap in them days...it had teams like Bruges...".
The debate you're having is a separate one all together, which I'm also not sure I agree with. The group stages are usually pointless as you know who is going through. Then you have four ties. You don't play all of the best teams, only who you draw. So yes, perhaps most of the time, it's more difficult, depending on the draw but there's not this great big disparity that modern fans appear to think and most certainly the European Cup wasn't crap ffs.
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Harder to qualify as you had to win the league,but far far easier to win for the teams involved.
When was the last time a Swedish,Belgian or Dutch side reached the final?
Back in the Liverpool pomp,you had 1 Spanish,1 German,1 Italian team and maybe 1 Dutch team to worry about.Sometimes you could get to the final and win without playing a top side.
You have just been knocked out by the third best team in Spain ffs.
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
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Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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This here is the measure of intelligence. 20 Years from now people will be saying "you only beat Atletico"/
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‘Because it was crap’ ignorant comment, think people forget it was more level playing field back then before it got destroyed by money.
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posted on 14/4/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with who is the best, it’s simply about exposure. More people would have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world than Souness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How would more people have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world? Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era, which he captained and was a star player of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Surely the answer is obvious?
Souness played in a pre-internet, pre-satellite TV era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bear in mind that no English football match was broadcast live between 1960 and the 1980s..
posted on 14/4/20
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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Never go full potato
posted on 14/4/20
FA cup finals were broadcast live
posted on 14/4/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with who is the best, it’s simply about exposure. More people would have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world than Souness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How would more people have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world? Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era, which he captained and was a star player of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Surely the answer is obvious?
Souness played in a pre-internet, pre-satellite TV era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, however many don't need to watch domestic games to get the exposure that Souness got. Winning three European Cups, for example. In fact I'd suggest more Europeans would watch those games than watch the PL.
posted on 14/4/20
It’s funny that Pogba gets labeled a flop when last year he was the most productive midfielder in Europe’s major leagues in terms of goals and assists.
Sure he hasn’t lived up to expectations and been hot and cold but a flop? That’s Naby Keita
posted on 14/4/20
He had a fuzzy perm and a tach in a Liverpool shirt. Could be any scouse 'Yosser' who normally robs your house.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
It’s nothing to do with who is the best, it’s simply about exposure. More people would have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world than Souness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How would more people have been exposed to Keane and Scholes around the world? Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era, which he captained and was a star player of.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Surely the answer is obvious?
Souness played in a pre-internet, pre-satellite TV era.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True, however many don't need to watch domestic games to get the exposure that Souness got. Winning three European Cups, for example. In fact I'd suggest more Europeans would watch those games than watch the PL.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe so,but unless Pogba as a spermm popped out
of his dad's belllendd on match day to watch the finals then why would he know who Souness was.
posted on 14/4/20
Global tv audiences in the 90’s, 00’s and 10’s for domestic and European football are incomparable to when Souness played.
They played for arguably the most famous team on the planet with some of the most famous players on the planet in Beckham, Rooney and Ronaldo. And that’s without even mentioning the internet.
Souness would have never, ever have had that kind of exposure on global level - despite playing for the European champions. I can’t believe this is even a discussion.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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This here is the measure of intelligence. 20 Years from now people will be saying "you only beat Atletico"/
posted on 14/4/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
FA cup finals were broadcast live
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I should’ve specified football league. Still, Souness left Liverpool a year after they started to broadcast league games. His exposure to non match-going fans would’ve been minimal when he was at his best. I have no doubt he was a decent player. I just seriously doubt many people outside of England knew about him.
There’s an anecdote about Souness playing Bucharest - the return leg in Bucharest after he broke their captain’s jaw in the first tie at Anfield - and the Bucharest fans were baying for his blood. What makes the telling of it amusing is that once the Liverpool players realised the fans were after Souness they began pointing him out to the fans. It wasn’t until the other Liverpool players on the team bus pointed him out that the Bucharest fans were able to identify and direct their anger at him...
Doesn’t suggest his profile was particularly high.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nonsense.
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team. Ajax for example would have had nearly the whole Dutch team. Bruges the whole Belgian team. Bucharest, the Romanian team. Yes Romania isn't great nowadays but they had good sides back then. If it were the same today Bruges may have players like Courtois, Kompany, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, playing for them.
Since the relaxation of the foreigner rules and the game becoming more international, players don't stay in those countries. People need to understand that football today is not the same as football back then.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by Matth_2015 (U20438)
posted 8 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
It is a slightly odd comment as it's not like Pogba hasn't won anything. Like you say he has a World Cup that Souness doesn't have. He does also have 4 league titles to his name.
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He was named in the World Cup team of the tournament as well ( I think ).
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Really? That’s a shocker if so. Wasn’t even in frances top 7/8 players
posted on 14/4/20
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team.
-
This is a very modern revision that’s easily dismantled by looking at the international records of the various nations at the time. How many world class players even nowadays come from those less developed footballing nations? Now take that back in time 50+ years to when those nations were even further behind the likes of Germany, England Holland and Spain.
They might’ve retained the one top class player that might’ve got into one of the other sides from the aforementioned nations, but they were few and far between.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 7 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nonsense.
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team. Ajax for example would have had nearly the whole Dutch team. Bruges the whole Belgian team. Bucharest, the Romanian team. Yes Romania isn't great nowadays but they had good sides back then. If it were the same today Bruges may have players like Courtois, Kompany, Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukaku, playing for them.
Since the relaxation of the foreigner rules and the game becoming more international, players don't stay in those countries. People need to understand that football today is not the same as football back then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The European cup back then didn't have groups before the knockouts.
It was a straight draw 1st round/2nd round quarter semi then final.
That is 8 games to get to the final,those games up until the final often only televised for the nations those teams played in.
The likes of Souness would only be seen by any large foreign audience in the final,if they bothered to watch.
His exposure to the masses would have been nothing like it is today,period.
posted on 14/4/20
Toor will argue anything.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 36 seconds ago
Those teams didn't see all their best players leave to join English, Spanish, Italian clubs etc. Not only this but often the best club team in those countries basically had their who international team.
-
This is a very modern revision that’s easily dismantled by looking at the international records of the various nations at the time. How many world class players even nowadays come from those less developed footballing nations? Now take that back in time 50+ years to when those nations were even further behind the likes of Germany, England Holland and Spain.
They might’ve retained the one top class player that might’ve got into one of the other sides from the aforementioned nations, but they were few and far between.
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No it isn't. It is what happened at the time. Bruges were a top side evidenced by getting to the final of the pinnacle of club football, beating Juventus home and away, without conceding a goal, who had just put of Ajax. Beating Atletico Madrid the round before that.
Yes there were much easier games in the earlier rounds as teams from weaker countries were allowed a chance and it wasn't as much about money. However it is doing a disservice to Bruges to put them amongst those teams, considering their achievements.
posted on 14/4/20
TOOR,
I get the point your making, but a cursory Google of the route Liverpool took to the European Cup final’s in the 70s does illustrate that it was a bit of a cake walk competition for the English, Dutch and German teams.
Between 1971 and 1981, three teams won it three times.
posted on 14/4/20
Let’s also remember that either side of Liverpool winning their third, Villa and Nottingham Forest won it three times between them...
posted on 14/4/20
I’m still trying to get my head around how anyone can think a global audience would be more exposed to Souness in the 80’s than Keane and Scholes in the 90’s/00’s10’s.
I’ve heard Toor come out with some shiiiiiit in his time, this is probably the most ridiculous.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR,
I get the point your making, but a cursory Google of the route Liverpool took to the European Cup final’s in the 70s does illustrate that it was a bit of a cake walk competition for the English, Dutch and German teams.
Between 1971 and 1981, three teams won it three times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure what point you're arguing here? You're arguing that the CL is more difficult to win that the European Cup as it has a greater quantity of top teams?
If so, this was not what I was debating. I was debating that "the European Cup was crap in them days...it had teams like Bruges...".
The debate you're having is a separate one all together, which I'm also not sure I agree with. The group stages are usually pointless as you know who is going through. Then you have four ties. You don't play all of the best teams, only who you draw. So yes, perhaps most of the time, it's more difficult, depending on the draw but there's not this great big disparity that modern fans appear to think and most certainly the European Cup wasn't crap ffs.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I’m still trying to get my head around how anyone can think a global audience would be more exposed to Souness in the 80’s than Keane and Scholes in the 90’s/00’s10’s.
I’ve heard Toor come out with some shiiiiiit in his time, this is probably the most ridiculous.
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Because most of Europe watched Souness lift the European Cup, as a star player, top goalscorer and captain, of one of the best teams on the planet and many of those wouldn't watch the PL, like many wouldn't watch La Liga here but they watch the CL.
Also due to the lack of options, it was a massive thing to get to watch these games and see these great players, whereas nowadays you can specifically pick and choose what you want to watch.
posted on 14/4/20
You’re actually mental.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR,
I get the point your making, but a cursory Google of the route Liverpool took to the European Cup final’s in the 70s does illustrate that it was a bit of a cake walk competition for the English, Dutch and German teams.
Between 1971 and 1981, three teams won it three times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure what point you're arguing here? You're arguing that the CL is more difficult to win that the European Cup as it has a greater quantity of top teams?
If so, this was not what I was debating. I was debating that "the European Cup was crap in them days...it had teams like Bruges...".
The debate you're having is a separate one all together, which I'm also not sure I agree with. The group stages are usually pointless as you know who is going through. Then you have four ties. You don't play all of the best teams, only who you draw. So yes, perhaps most of the time, it's more difficult, depending on the draw but there's not this great big disparity that modern fans appear to think and most certainly the European Cup wasn't crap ffs.
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Harder to qualify as you had to win the league,but far far easier to win for the teams involved.
When was the last time a Swedish,Belgian or Dutch side reached the final?
Back in the Liverpool pomp,you had 1 Spanish,1 German,1 Italian team and maybe 1 Dutch team to worry about.Sometimes you could get to the final and win without playing a top side.
You have just been knocked out by the third best team in Spain ffs.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
Souness won the European Cup three times at what was the best team in the planet in the era.
++
Because the European Cup was crap in them days. Malmao, Bucharest Grasshoppers and FC Bruge is what you had to beat. FA Cup was a much bigger deal.
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This here is the measure of intelligence. 20 Years from now people will be saying "you only beat Atletico"/
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‘Because it was crap’ ignorant comment, think people forget it was more level playing field back then before it got destroyed by money.
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