comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 6 minutes ago
No, there’s a difference between being a better team and having a better league campaign
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Put it this way, I wouldn’t swap our treble for Liverpools league campaign this season.
I would swap any of our doubles either. And because Liverpool fans are horrible I wouldn’t swap any of our league titles either.
Well yeah I don’t think anybody would swap a league title winning season with this one ffs
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Ashamed is a bit strong but yeah I know what you mean.
Amazing how people are trying to take Liverpool's glory away!..
And talking of shame, the shame is people trying to do it!..
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
That’s fine, though it’s not like Liverpool were capable of it, but it doesn’t make Liverpool’s games last season with Bayern more relevant than their current form.
I’m not sure why you think City are by far and away the best team in it, though. They’ve been vulnerable all season, especially in the bigger games. Plenty of teams in it capable of knocking them out given their defence.
And your reasoning for dismissing Bayern seems to go missing when considering City and their poor record in the competition. They’ve not got the form or history to really make your claim stand up.
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Who is outperforming city then in europe consistently over the last couple of years? Us and barcelona, thats about it. City have been in the quarters the last 2 years and are well on course to do so again this season. Theyve also won 2 leagues with record points tallies in that time. Not many in europe can say the same.
Its opinions at the end of the day. My money is on city, its there for them this season, their biggest threat was us as its been proven that they have real difficulties dealing with us. I dont see anyone left for them to fear.
Bayern are most likely but id like to see them against a city or even psg or barca before im sold on them. A cracking performance at stamford bridge against the poorest chelsea team in a long time isnt enough for me.
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Il ask again, who is consistently outperforming them? Us and barcelona id argue and this season we are out. They have 1 foot in the quarters for the 3rd season running. Who else out there has consistently achieved that? Without looking id take a punt on barca and madrid and thats about it.
They may not have won it yet. But it will come. I fully expect it to be this season.
Bayern were in the semis the season before last, something City have only managed once four years ago. Them winning two leagues with record points tallies doesn’t mean much when they’re a shadow of the team that achieved it. And they’ve regularly fallen short in the CL against teams they are better than/should beat.
They’ve got a chance, of course, but there’s little evidence to suggest they’re far and away the best team left in it, based on their history in the competition or their form this season
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 30 minutes ago
Amazing how people are trying to take Liverpool's glory away!..
And talking of shame, the shame is people trying to do it!..
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This made me laugh.
But their form in europe has been very strong. They are unbeaten and have won 5 of the 7 games they have played.
You have just talked about bayern being semi finalists 2 years ago yet earlier on had a pop at me when i said liverpool wiped the floor with bayern last year. You said then a lot can happen in a year. Surely then bayerns semi of 2 years ago is even more irrelevant.
City have stumbled in the league as for me they knew it was over when they lost at anfield. Theyve come up against a freight train in the league that they just havnt managed to keep up with. In europe though i watched them stroll their group then produce a very calm and composed display at the bernabau despite going a goal. That for me was a very impressive display and said to me they have the bit between their teeth in europe this year.
Bayern beat chelsea. Im not anywhere near as impressed by that. And that couple with the ease that we swatted them away with last year leaves me feeling they have much more to prove. Time will tell.
It isn’t relevant, but you asked about comparable records in the CL the last couple of years. Bayern have won every game in the CL this year, and while they’ve not played team as good as Madrid - a team that are pretty ordinary this season anyway - they’ve still looked more impressive than City - as they have in the league.
City didn’t just give up in the league. It’s a team that is just inferior to what it was last season, Laporte being out having a big influence on that.
You beating them last season is irrelevant as they’re a different team this season. Collectively and individually it’s a different team.
You’re basically just judging this whole thing off a few games, some of which are from vastly different sides. Whatever, that’s your prerogative, but it’s a pretty weak argument.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
It isn’t relevant, but you asked about comparable records in the CL the last couple of years. Bayern have won every game in the CL this year, and while they’ve not played team as good as Madrid - a team that are pretty ordinary this season anyway - they’ve still looked more impressive than City - as they have in the league.
City didn’t just give up in the league. It’s a team that is just inferior to what it was last season, Laporte being out having a big influence on that.
You beating them last season is irrelevant as they’re a different team this season. Collectively and individually it’s a different team.
You’re basically just judging this whole thing off a few games, some of which are from vastly different sides. Whatever, that’s your prerogative, but it’s a pretty weak argument.
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comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
It isn’t relevant, but you asked about comparable records in the CL the last couple of years. Bayern have won every game in the CL this year, and while they’ve not played team as good as Madrid - a team that are pretty ordinary this season anyway - they’ve still looked more impressive than City - as they have in the league.
City didn’t just give up in the league. It’s a team that is just inferior to what it was last season, Laporte being out having a big influence on that.
You beating them last season is irrelevant as they’re a different team this season. Collectively and individually it’s a different team.
You’re basically just judging this whole thing off a few games, some of which are from vastly different sides. Whatever, that’s your prerogative, but it’s a pretty weak argument.
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Whats the big difference in this bayern team from last season that makes our result against them irrelevant. Individually all i see is pavard really. They signed hernandez who has been in and out the team. Throwing the word "collectively" in doesnt really mean much unless you have some sort of insight into the current mental state of the bayern squad.
Im judging this off what i see. Ive so said about 4 times now that time will tell. You seem to be incapable of accepting that. I have no issue if you dont agree with me whatever works for you bud. I can also see it must be hard for a united fan to accept that someone else thinks that city and liverpool are the 2 best teams in europe.
Pavard and Davies are the obvious ones at full back. This has pushed Kimmich into midfield and Muller’s been brought back into the equation, who’s been a far better player for them that James was. Lewandowski and Gnabry are having the best seasons of their career.
And collectively their style of football is much improved, playing moving the ball far quicker and more accurately than they did under the previous manager.
I’m questioning what you’re seeing. This is how debates work. But you seem incapable of providing any good arguments.
Me being a United fans isn’t the issue here. I’ve said Liverpool and, or, City are the best in Europe a number of times at points over the last few years. With City this is just no longer the case. And even if it were, the idea they’re far and away the best still in it is just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Who is outperforming city then in europe consistently over the last couple of years?
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Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool (admittedly), Bayern Munich, i.e every big European team except for PSG.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
Pavard and Davies are the obvious ones at full back. This has pushed Kimmich into midfield and Muller’s been brought back into the equation, who’s been a far better player for them that James was. Lewandowski and Gnabry are having the best seasons of their career.
And collectively their style of football is much improved, playing moving the ball far quicker and more accurately than they did under the previous manager.
I’m questioning what you’re seeing. This is how debates work. But you seem incapable of providing any good arguments.
Me being a United fans isn’t the issue here. I’ve said Liverpool and, or, City are the best in Europe a number of times at points over the last few years. With City this is just no longer the case. And even if it were, the idea they’re far and away the best still in it is just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
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Ive already outlined what i have seen. Ive told you how city have impressed me in europe. Ive told you my thoughts on why they have fell off the pace in the league but you dismissed it. Again thats your opinion. Youll have to agree to disagree with me on that. Ive also outlined that over the last 3 years very few have consistently faired better than city in europe and in my opinion they are edging closer to success on that front. If you dont agree thats entirely fine. I dont agree with you that they are a much inferior team, they are very well placed to win a treble again this season. Id i put good money on it that come next season most neutrals will have them as favourites for the league. Liverpool and city in my opinion have been the 2 best teams in europe for 18 months now. Thats my thoughts and il enjoy it while it lasts as it wont be forever. Maybe bayern will be the team to come through, but again I'll wait till we see how they do against some of the big hitters 1st.
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posted on 1/6/20
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 6 minutes ago
No, there’s a difference between being a better team and having a better league campaign
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Put it this way, I wouldn’t swap our treble for Liverpools league campaign this season.
I would swap any of our doubles either. And because Liverpool fans are horrible I wouldn’t swap any of our league titles either.
posted on 1/6/20
Well yeah I don’t think anybody would swap a league title winning season with this one ffs
posted on 1/6/20
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posted on 1/6/20
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posted on 1/6/20
Ashamed is a bit strong but yeah I know what you mean.
posted on 1/6/20
Amazing how people are trying to take Liverpool's glory away!..
And talking of shame, the shame is people trying to do it!..
posted on 1/6/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
That’s fine, though it’s not like Liverpool were capable of it, but it doesn’t make Liverpool’s games last season with Bayern more relevant than their current form.
I’m not sure why you think City are by far and away the best team in it, though. They’ve been vulnerable all season, especially in the bigger games. Plenty of teams in it capable of knocking them out given their defence.
And your reasoning for dismissing Bayern seems to go missing when considering City and their poor record in the competition. They’ve not got the form or history to really make your claim stand up.
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Who is outperforming city then in europe consistently over the last couple of years? Us and barcelona, thats about it. City have been in the quarters the last 2 years and are well on course to do so again this season. Theyve also won 2 leagues with record points tallies in that time. Not many in europe can say the same.
Its opinions at the end of the day. My money is on city, its there for them this season, their biggest threat was us as its been proven that they have real difficulties dealing with us. I dont see anyone left for them to fear.
Bayern are most likely but id like to see them against a city or even psg or barca before im sold on them. A cracking performance at stamford bridge against the poorest chelsea team in a long time isnt enough for me.
posted on 1/6/20
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posted on 1/6/20
Il ask again, who is consistently outperforming them? Us and barcelona id argue and this season we are out. They have 1 foot in the quarters for the 3rd season running. Who else out there has consistently achieved that? Without looking id take a punt on barca and madrid and thats about it.
They may not have won it yet. But it will come. I fully expect it to be this season.
posted on 1/6/20
Bayern were in the semis the season before last, something City have only managed once four years ago. Them winning two leagues with record points tallies doesn’t mean much when they’re a shadow of the team that achieved it. And they’ve regularly fallen short in the CL against teams they are better than/should beat.
They’ve got a chance, of course, but there’s little evidence to suggest they’re far and away the best team left in it, based on their history in the competition or their form this season
posted on 1/6/20
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 30 minutes ago
Amazing how people are trying to take Liverpool's glory away!..
And talking of shame, the shame is people trying to do it!..
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This made me laugh.
posted on 1/6/20
But their form in europe has been very strong. They are unbeaten and have won 5 of the 7 games they have played.
You have just talked about bayern being semi finalists 2 years ago yet earlier on had a pop at me when i said liverpool wiped the floor with bayern last year. You said then a lot can happen in a year. Surely then bayerns semi of 2 years ago is even more irrelevant.
City have stumbled in the league as for me they knew it was over when they lost at anfield. Theyve come up against a freight train in the league that they just havnt managed to keep up with. In europe though i watched them stroll their group then produce a very calm and composed display at the bernabau despite going a goal. That for me was a very impressive display and said to me they have the bit between their teeth in europe this year.
Bayern beat chelsea. Im not anywhere near as impressed by that. And that couple with the ease that we swatted them away with last year leaves me feeling they have much more to prove. Time will tell.
posted on 1/6/20
It isn’t relevant, but you asked about comparable records in the CL the last couple of years. Bayern have won every game in the CL this year, and while they’ve not played team as good as Madrid - a team that are pretty ordinary this season anyway - they’ve still looked more impressive than City - as they have in the league.
City didn’t just give up in the league. It’s a team that is just inferior to what it was last season, Laporte being out having a big influence on that.
You beating them last season is irrelevant as they’re a different team this season. Collectively and individually it’s a different team.
You’re basically just judging this whole thing off a few games, some of which are from vastly different sides. Whatever, that’s your prerogative, but it’s a pretty weak argument.
posted on 1/6/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
It isn’t relevant, but you asked about comparable records in the CL the last couple of years. Bayern have won every game in the CL this year, and while they’ve not played team as good as Madrid - a team that are pretty ordinary this season anyway - they’ve still looked more impressive than City - as they have in the league.
City didn’t just give up in the league. It’s a team that is just inferior to what it was last season, Laporte being out having a big influence on that.
You beating them last season is irrelevant as they’re a different team this season. Collectively and individually it’s a different team.
You’re basically just judging this whole thing off a few games, some of which are from vastly different sides. Whatever, that’s your prerogative, but it’s a pretty weak argument.
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comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
It isn’t relevant, but you asked about comparable records in the CL the last couple of years. Bayern have won every game in the CL this year, and while they’ve not played team as good as Madrid - a team that are pretty ordinary this season anyway - they’ve still looked more impressive than City - as they have in the league.
City didn’t just give up in the league. It’s a team that is just inferior to what it was last season, Laporte being out having a big influence on that.
You beating them last season is irrelevant as they’re a different team this season. Collectively and individually it’s a different team.
You’re basically just judging this whole thing off a few games, some of which are from vastly different sides. Whatever, that’s your prerogative, but it’s a pretty weak argument.
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Whats the big difference in this bayern team from last season that makes our result against them irrelevant. Individually all i see is pavard really. They signed hernandez who has been in and out the team. Throwing the word "collectively" in doesnt really mean much unless you have some sort of insight into the current mental state of the bayern squad.
Im judging this off what i see. Ive so said about 4 times now that time will tell. You seem to be incapable of accepting that. I have no issue if you dont agree with me whatever works for you bud. I can also see it must be hard for a united fan to accept that someone else thinks that city and liverpool are the 2 best teams in europe.
posted on 1/6/20
Pavard and Davies are the obvious ones at full back. This has pushed Kimmich into midfield and Muller’s been brought back into the equation, who’s been a far better player for them that James was. Lewandowski and Gnabry are having the best seasons of their career.
And collectively their style of football is much improved, playing moving the ball far quicker and more accurately than they did under the previous manager.
I’m questioning what you’re seeing. This is how debates work. But you seem incapable of providing any good arguments.
Me being a United fans isn’t the issue here. I’ve said Liverpool and, or, City are the best in Europe a number of times at points over the last few years. With City this is just no longer the case. And even if it were, the idea they’re far and away the best still in it is just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
posted on 1/6/20
Who is outperforming city then in europe consistently over the last couple of years?
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Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool (admittedly), Bayern Munich, i.e every big European team except for PSG.
posted on 2/6/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
Pavard and Davies are the obvious ones at full back. This has pushed Kimmich into midfield and Muller’s been brought back into the equation, who’s been a far better player for them that James was. Lewandowski and Gnabry are having the best seasons of their career.
And collectively their style of football is much improved, playing moving the ball far quicker and more accurately than they did under the previous manager.
I’m questioning what you’re seeing. This is how debates work. But you seem incapable of providing any good arguments.
Me being a United fans isn’t the issue here. I’ve said Liverpool and, or, City are the best in Europe a number of times at points over the last few years. With City this is just no longer the case. And even if it were, the idea they’re far and away the best still in it is just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
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Ive already outlined what i have seen. Ive told you how city have impressed me in europe. Ive told you my thoughts on why they have fell off the pace in the league but you dismissed it. Again thats your opinion. Youll have to agree to disagree with me on that. Ive also outlined that over the last 3 years very few have consistently faired better than city in europe and in my opinion they are edging closer to success on that front. If you dont agree thats entirely fine. I dont agree with you that they are a much inferior team, they are very well placed to win a treble again this season. Id i put good money on it that come next season most neutrals will have them as favourites for the league. Liverpool and city in my opinion have been the 2 best teams in europe for 18 months now. Thats my thoughts and il enjoy it while it lasts as it wont be forever. Maybe bayern will be the team to come through, but again I'll wait till we see how they do against some of the big hitters 1st.
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