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Bigger flop: Pogba or Ozil?

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posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 20 seconds ago
What’s weird about it?

He doesn’t score or assist.

He doesn’t play much.

He has a lower pass success rate than Elneny.

Every argument you have put forward for him is in the bin. And let’s not even start with the transfer fee.

To suggest this guy hasn’t been worse than Ozil or Pogba is the weirdest comment of the lot 🤷‍♂️
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Yeah the stats are great and all but he has contributed to a team that has a load of medals around their necks. As I said before, if we played like Arsenal or United he would have goals but likely no medals. I suppose Firmino is awful too? Think he scored 9 goals in the league last season.

posted on 15/10/20

I’m not the one who brought stats into the conversation though

And by your logic Origi is better than Aubameyang and Adrian is better than De Gea so...

posted on 15/10/20

I haven't suggested anything other than playing a quarter of the games of a side clocking up 97 and 99 points doesnt strike me as non existent. I get you need to find something at fault with Liverpool, then sure you're not left with much other than looking for an injured player. I doubt you can name a single "horror show" performance though and I'm positive you've not watched every game so you just sound silly to me. Sorry.

posted on 15/10/20

I'm surprised people even think this is debatable. Ozil came into a team, annually on the brink of a title challenge and falling short. Instead of lifting it to the next level, he sucked the life and soul out of it with his arrogance and apathy. As players go he was causal to the downfall of Arsenal.

Pogba was not so for Man Utd. He was brought into a team that had already fallen so to speak. As a "big money player fix" and then not played in his best position/role. Doesn't justify his attitude but it does mean that where Ozil had a team deck stacked fully in his favour at all times, in terms of fitting. Pogba's was the complete opposite.

His life was made hard by managers asking him to perform whilst playing him where he's hopeless ( much like Arteta for us). In contrast Ozil blatantly quit on a team with manager all bending over bloody backwards to accommodate his BS. He unlike Pogba has absolutely no excuse for his conduct on the pitch.

posted on 15/10/20

comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I haven't suggested anything other than playing a quarter of the games of a side clocking up 97 and 99 points doesnt strike me as non existent. I get you need to find something at fault with Liverpool, then sure you're not left with much other than looking for an injured player. I doubt you can name a single "horror show" performance though and I'm positive you've not watched every game so you just sound silly to me. Sorry.
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How about your last game in which he was hauled off at half time?

posted on 15/10/20

He doesn’t score or assist.
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He does. However, Wij rarely scores or assists an he isn't too bad, is he?


He doesn’t play much.
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Always plays when fit. Means the manager likes him.


He has a lower pass success rate than Elneny.
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That's because Elneny plays les risky passes and is he really another useless player.

Elneny actually got games for Arsenal. Keita would be your best midfielder.

posted on 15/10/20

So basically Anderson > Gerrard

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I haven't suggested anything other than playing a quarter of the games of a side clocking up 97 and 99 points doesnt strike me as non existent. I get you need to find something at fault with Liverpool, then sure you're not left with much other than looking for an injured player. I doubt you can name a single "horror show" performance though and I'm positive you've not watched every game so you just sound silly to me. Sorry.
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How about your last game in which he was hauled off at half time?
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How about Ozils last game?

When was it?

posted on 15/10/20

Keita started 9 of the 27 games he was available for last season 🤔

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I haven't suggested anything other than playing a quarter of the games of a side clocking up 97 and 99 points doesnt strike me as non existent. I get you need to find something at fault with Liverpool, then sure you're not left with much other than looking for an injured player. I doubt you can name a single "horror show" performance though and I'm positive you've not watched every game so you just sound silly to me. Sorry.
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How about your last game in which he was hauled off at half time?
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Nah I wouldn't say that was a horror show at all, far worse than him in our side that night. At the end of the day he's featured in over half of our prem games in the past two seasons. If you want to say that's non existent then crack on.

posted on 15/10/20

comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 36 seconds ago
So basically Anderson > Gerrard
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Naaah. Hendo>Scholes

And I'm not even kidding.

posted on 15/10/20

I revised my comment to ‘almost completely non existent’

And I think I’m being kind with that

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 6 seconds ago
I revised my comment to ‘almost completely non existent’

And I think I’m being kind with that
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Yeah, you sound silly.

posted on 15/10/20

Keep saying it if it makes you feel better

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
Keita started 9 of the 27 games he was available for last season 🤔
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As Robbing said we don't need Keita desparately like Arsenal and utd need Pogba and Ozil. We've got good midfielders. He is eased back with sub apps when fit

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 38 seconds ago
Keep saying it if it makes you feel better
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Well likewise

He's started four Prem games this season because he's not injured. Like I said if you feel featuring in our half our league games is ‘almost completely non existent’ then fine, sound clueless.

posted on 15/10/20

But you just said Klopp always picks him when available

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
But you just said Klopp always picks him when available
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No, I did he always plays when fit, which you've proven for me.



Maybe you need to lie down.

posted on 15/10/20

Keita played 806 minutes for Liverpool in the league last season. That’s less than a quarter of a season.

To put that in context, Ozil, who has been banished for nearly all of 2020, played almost double that amount for Arsenal. And there is no better description for Ozil than non existent.

posted on 15/10/20

*I said he always plays when fit...

Had to correct that just incase.

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 2 minutes ago
But you just said Klopp always picks him when available
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When you get injured, you don't just go straight into a team, especially not one performering at the highest level. Firstly you have time to get eased in as you get up to fitness and secondly you stick with your settled team, the majority of the time. You don't really understand this football thing do you?

posted on 15/10/20

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Cosmic Refugee (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
But you just said Klopp always picks him when available
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No, I did he always plays when fit, which you've proven for me.



Maybe you need to lie down.
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9 starts from 27 game he was available. “AlWaYs PlAyS wHeN fIt”

posted on 15/10/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 2 minutes ago
But you just said Klopp always picks him when available
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When you get injured, you don't just go straight into a team, especially not one performering at the highest level. Firstly you have time to get eased in as you get up to fitness and secondly you stick with your settled team, the majority of the time. You don't really understand this football thing do you?
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Keep moving the goalposts

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 44 seconds ago
Keita played 806 minutes for Liverpool in the league last season. That’s less than a quarter of a season.

To put that in context, Ozil, who has been banished for nearly all of 2020, played almost double that amount for Arsenal. And there is no better description for Ozil than non existent.
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Well that would be because Ozil was crap, in a crap side, whereas Keita performed in a great side.

posted on 15/10/20

comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by No Thomas No Partey (U18355)
posted 2 minutes ago
But you just said Klopp always picks him when available
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When you get injured, you don't just go straight into a team, especially not one performering at the highest level. Firstly you have time to get eased in as you get up to fitness and secondly you stick with your settled team, the majority of the time. You don't really understand this football thing do you?
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Keep moving the goalposts
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I didn't move an goalposts. I tried to explain how football works to somebody who demonstrably doesn't understand how it works.

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