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posted on 3/11/20

I’m not even making an argument,

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That is true. You basically ignore anything that doesn't suit your agenda and copy and paste stuff from the internet that doesn't support your comments in the hope of boring people into submission.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
I said his covid policies have a direct correlation with the increase in national debt. I have posted why several times. You just ignore it and pretend I am not posting anything. You haven't posted once why they have no correlation or addressed any of the points I have raised; you have only looked to discredit me by going into semantics and deliberately misinterpreting what I have said.

I'm not sure why you are conflating me with Vidicschin. We are two separate posters and I have never commented on what he said; only replied to you ignoring the current economic situation in your posts.

I am going to leave this here; as once again you have proven yourself a complete waste of time to debate with. Keep thinking you are accepting of other opinions though.
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What policies Tam?

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 55 seconds ago
I’m not even making an argument,

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That is true. You basically ignore anything that doesn't suit your agenda and copy and paste stuff from the internet that doesn't support your comments in the hope of boring people into submission.
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Ah the Admirable Crichton returns. What’s my agenda VC?

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
RR made several points yesterday, I replied with a point of my own (that Biden was also corrupt and that RR should he be included that also) and RR questioned me for precise specifics, told me not to rely on Fox News and Breitbart as some form of dig. I then replied with three clear examples of corruption with a multitude of sources cited.

I’m doing the same to you as RR did to me and you’re not able to answer with anything other than vague assertions.
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Actually, RR pointed out "corruption" has a specific meaning and I'm still not sure you have proven Biden's corruption beyond him pursuing policies that you don't like.

posted on 3/11/20

Sat Nav - I understand that both sides manipulate things, but considering that 95% of the mainstream media is against Trump they do not state the facts.

People still believe that he hasn't denounced white supremacy and he has, almost about 35 times since the 90s

Also it's so weird that for decades he was good friends with a lot of the prominent people in the black community and many rappers and then when he announced he's running for presidency with he black community he's suddenly racist.

The democrat party do nothing for blacks, and Biden's policies will hurt them even more.
His letting in illegal immigrates will hurt black people even more because they will take those jobs that black people usually do.

Also trying to get rid of school choice, that means that if a black person wants to get out of their rough neighbourhood and go to a better school they can't.

#walkaway

posted on 3/11/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
RR made several points yesterday, I replied with a point of my own (that Biden was also corrupt and that RR should he be included that also) and RR questioned me for precise specifics, told me not to rely on Fox News and Breitbart as some form of dig. I then replied with three clear examples of corruption with a multitude of sources cited.

I’m doing the same to you as RR did to me and you’re not able to answer with anything other than vague assertions.
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Actually, RR pointed out "corruption" has a specific meaning and I'm still not sure you have proven Biden's corruption beyond him pursuing policies that you don't like.
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Yes and I provided the definition as dishonest or fraudulent conduct. Biden’s conduct in those examples was indisputably dishonest to say the least.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
RR made several points yesterday, I replied with a point of my own (that Biden was also corrupt and that RR should he be included that also) and RR questioned me for precise specifics, told me not to rely on Fox News and Breitbart as some form of dig. I then replied with three clear examples of corruption with a multitude of sources cited.

I’m doing the same to you as RR did to me and you’re not able to answer with anything other than vague assertions.
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Actually, RR pointed out "corruption" has a specific meaning and I'm still not sure you have proven Biden's corruption beyond him pursuing policies that you don't like.
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He has failed to prove any corruption from Biden. The Trump Campaign have failed in this as well and they are more knowledgeable than Sat Nav.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
RR made several points yesterday, I replied with a point of my own (that Biden was also corrupt and that RR should he be included that also) and RR questioned me for precise specifics, told me not to rely on Fox News and Breitbart as some form of dig. I then replied with three clear examples of corruption with a multitude of sources cited.

I’m doing the same to you as RR did to me and you’re not able to answer with anything other than vague assertions.
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Actually, RR pointed out "corruption" has a specific meaning and I'm still not sure you have proven Biden's corruption beyond him pursuing policies that you don't like.
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He has failed to prove any corruption from Biden. The Trump Campaign have failed in this as well and they are more knowledgeable than Sat Nav.

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It will take months to prove it but why the media black out? What about the claims of Tony Bobulinski

It's so bad this media black out, even liberal journalists like Glenn Greenwald are questioning this censorship, he resigned from his own publication he created.

If you don't know who he is he's the one that reported on the Snowden documents.

posted on 3/11/20

t will take months to prove it

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They have been trying to find corruption to pin on Biden for the last 18 months. They have even made it up. It hasn’t stuck.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
RR made several points yesterday, I replied with a point of my own (that Biden was also corrupt and that RR should he be included that also) and RR questioned me for precise specifics, told me not to rely on Fox News and Breitbart as some form of dig. I then replied with three clear examples of corruption with a multitude of sources cited.

I’m doing the same to you as RR did to me and you’re not able to answer with anything other than vague assertions.
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Actually, RR pointed out "corruption" has a specific meaning and I'm still not sure you have proven Biden's corruption beyond him pursuing policies that you don't like.
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He has failed to prove any corruption from Biden. The Trump Campaign have failed in this as well and they are more knowledgeable than Sat Nav.

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That’s not hard, remember your dog knows more than I do about US politics.
But yeah taking money from credit card companies and then making it harder for the public to get out of debt or taking money from the healthcare industry and strengthening the position of insurance companies to further screw Joe public isn’t corrupt at all. Receiving money from companies and then creating and/or changing policy that helps those companies make even more money whilst causing the public to suffer further. Yeah that’s not corrupt at all. It’s not illegal, but it’s still corrupt. Hence the definition of dishonest or fraudulent.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
RR made several points yesterday, I replied with a point of my own (that Biden was also corrupt and that RR should he be included that also) and RR questioned me for precise specifics, told me not to rely on Fox News and Breitbart as some form of dig. I then replied with three clear examples of corruption with a multitude of sources cited.

I’m doing the same to you as RR did to me and you’re not able to answer with anything other than vague assertions.
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Actually, RR pointed out "corruption" has a specific meaning and I'm still not sure you have proven Biden's corruption beyond him pursuing policies that you don't like.
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Yes and I provided the definition as dishonest or fraudulent conduct. Biden’s conduct in those examples was indisputably dishonest to say the least.
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"Second, healthcare. On 25 April, the day he announced his campaign, Biden went straight to a fundraiser co-hosted by the chief executive of a major health insurance corporation. He refuses to sign a pledge to reject money from insurance and pharma execs and continues to raise money from healthcare industry donors. His campaign is being bankrolled by a super Pac run by healthcare lobbyists."

Those are your exact words. Nothing there suggests that he was ever fraudulent or dishonest. In fact, by refusing to sign the pledge he is actually avoiding dishonesty.

Similarly

"First, Biden’s support for finance over working-class Americans. His career was bankrolled by the credit card industry. He delivered for it by spearheading a bankruptcy bill that made it harder for Americans to reduce their debts and helped cause the financial crisis. He not only authored and voted for that bill, he split with Barack Obama and led the battle to vote down Democratic amendments."

Nothing in there proves that he did it fraudulently or dishonestly. In fact he seems to have been very open about it.

This is why I asked you previously to clarify how these actions were corrupt. They simply appear to be pivy decisions that you disagree with. RR appears to agree.

posted on 3/11/20

Welshpoolfan - keeping the chain short.

My exact words, yes but conveniently not all of them. You missed out:

What did all these donors get? A healthcare proposal that preserves the power of the insurance industry and leaves 10 million Americans uninsured.

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2019/07/15/bidencare-system-will-kill-125000-through-uninsurance/

posted on 3/11/20

You can say that it’s simply policy that I don’t agree with all you like. But if you take money from company A and then enact policy that makes company A more money to the detriment of the public whom you are supposed to serve, then that is dishonest conduct and therefore corrupt.

I cannot believe you are questioning whether a career politician is corrupt or not, even more so when. Lear cut example with citations are provided to you. If it were any other politician, other than the person who is Trump’s opponent, I highly doubt that I would be getting a push back on this.

If Bojo did these things, would it not be corrupt? Like giving an PPE contract to a newly formed company without a tender process? That’s corruption plain and simple.

posted on 3/11/20

This is why I asked you previously to clarify how these actions were corrupt. They simply appear to be pivy decisions that you disagree with. RR appears to agree

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I don't think Sat Nav understands what is in these quotes and links he posts.

The abomination he posted on Charlottesville being a prime example.

This is the bottom line on Trump and Charlottesville.

Trump said there "are some very fine people on both sides"

Sorry but white supremacists are not very fine people. You can't bull$h!t your way out of that.

posted on 3/11/20

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posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
This is why I asked you previously to clarify how these actions were corrupt. They simply appear to be pivy decisions that you disagree with. RR appears to agree

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I don't think Sat Nav understands what is in these quotes and links he posts.

The abomination he posted on Charlottesville being a prime example.

This is the bottom line on Trump and Charlottesville.

Trump said there "are some very fine people on both sides"

Sorry but white supremacists are not very fine people. You can't bull$h!t your way out of that.
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Yes because he was talking about white supremacists wasn’t he? You clearly have an issue reading VC.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 58 seconds ago
This is why I asked you previously to clarify how these actions were corrupt. They simply appear to be pivy decisions that you disagree with. RR appears to agree

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I don't think Sat Nav understands what is in these quotes and links he posts.

The abomination he posted on Charlottesville being a prime example.

This is the bottom line on Trump and Charlottesville.

Trump said there "are some very fine people on both sides"

Sorry but white supremacists are not very fine people. You can't bull$h!t your way out of that.
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Christ. Can't you read more than 2 sentences without your brain resetting?
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Quite. It’s incredible how indoctrinated he is.

posted on 3/11/20

I’m sure VC still thinks that Trump has never condemned white supremacy too 😂

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
You can say that it’s simply policy that I don’t agree with all you like. But if you take money from company A and then enact policy that makes company A more money to the detriment of the public whom you are supposed to serve, then that is dishonest conduct and therefore corrupt.

I cannot believe you are questioning whether a career politician is corrupt or not, even more so when. Lear cut example with citations are provided to you. If it were any other politician, other than the person who is Trump’s opponent, I highly doubt that I would be getting a push back on this.

If Bojo did these things, would it not be corrupt? Like giving an PPE contract to a newly formed company without a tender process? That’s corruption plain and simple.
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Sure, yet you still haven't shown he did it secretly or dishonestly which is the entire crux of the claim for corruption. It was clearly not fraudulent so we look at dishonestly.

Did he lie about it? Did he declare it? He openly refused to sign the pledge which suggests he did it honestly. It is suggested that his plan will have 10 million uninsured - how does that compare to the approx 30 million uninsured today (which has gone up since Trump took office)?

His plan also extends premium-free access to a public option for 4 9 million people who are currently prevented from it by their state governor.

posted on 3/11/20

Christ. Can't you read more than 2 sentences without your brain resetting?

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Yes thanks. But not if it is a post from you.

posted on 3/11/20

I’m sure VC still thinks that Trump has never condemned white supremacy too

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Only when he has been forced into it.

posted on 3/11/20

Also, Biden hasn't been elected by anyone yet. He has had is healthcare fundraiser and proposed his healthcare policy prior to being elected. So how is his healthcare proposal corrupt? If the US public don't like it then they can vote for trump.

posted on 3/11/20

So how is his healthcare proposal corrupt? If the US public don't like it then they can vote for trump.

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Very true. but then the voters have to remember that Trump and his fellow Republicans still do not have a Health Care plan.

For ten years they have been saying repeal and replace and yet there still is no sign of a replacement plan.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
You can say that it’s simply policy that I don’t agree with all you like. But if you take money from company A and then enact policy that makes company A more money to the detriment of the public whom you are supposed to serve, then that is dishonest conduct and therefore corrupt.

I cannot believe you are questioning whether a career politician is corrupt or not, even more so when. Lear cut example with citations are provided to you. If it were any other politician, other than the person who is Trump’s opponent, I highly doubt that I would be getting a push back on this.

If Bojo did these things, would it not be corrupt? Like giving an PPE contract to a newly formed company without a tender process? That’s corruption plain and simple.
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Sure, yet you still haven't shown he did it secretly or dishonestly which is the entire crux of the claim for corruption. It was clearly not fraudulent so we look at dishonestly.

Did he lie about it? Did he declare it? He openly refused to sign the pledge which suggests he did it honestly. It is suggested that his plan will have 10 million uninsured - how does that compare to the approx 30 million uninsured today (which has gone up since Trump took office)?

His plan also extends premium-free access to a public option for 4 9 million people who are currently prevented from it by their state governor.
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If you don’t see it as dishonest that’s fine but I do. Hence why I’ve stated it as my opinion and provided reasons why I have that opinion and provided citations and it’s not just my opinion.
As I said, taking money from company A and then enacting policy that makes company A more money whilst harming the public that you are supposed to serve is dishonest.

You seem to think that dishonesty means lying:

dishonest
/dɪsˈɒnɪst/
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adjective
behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy, deceitful, or insincere way

If you don’t think that what Biden did was untrustworthy, deceitful or insincere and therefore dishonest and therefore corrupt then that is up to you but I think it’s clear as day.

He’s a bloody politician ffs! Money, corruption & politics? Never!

posted on 3/11/20

If you don’t think that what Biden did was untrustworthy, deceitful or insincere and therefore dishonest and therefore corrupt then that is up to you but I think it’s clear as day.

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And yet none of it can stick to him.

You clearly have no idea what corrupt means and are thus incapable of determining where Biden has been corrupt.

Red Russian buried you on this yesterday.

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