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posted on 3/11/20

comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Picasso (U21397)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Picasso (U21397)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
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comment by Cinciwolf---Mustn't grumble (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
Trump supporters are the biggest bunch of dumb fecks on the planet. And lucky me is currently living amongst them in the dumbest state in the US in Ohio. They make me sick.
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Is it the wars he's caused or the fact that he hasn't borrowed more ie saddled the taxpayer more than any POTUS before him (combined!) in history?

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It’s because he so Fuqing STUPID.
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So being STUPID ranks higher than causing pointless wars coupled with doubling the US debt in only 8yrs?
Wow.


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Being stupid in life is acceptable,
But to be president of the United States and be stupid, no, very stupid , ( unbelievably stupid ) is not acceptable, totally non acceptable.
How can you defend this thing, it’s showing poor judgement on your part.
Have a rethink.
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I'm not defending him. I haven't voted on anything for the past 25yrs or so when it (finally) struck me that nothing ever changes for the better.
All i know, now as an observer, is that the news has for the past 4yrs been mainly aimed at deriding the current POTUS and far less about innocents being
bombed in pointless 'conflicts' half a world away for no reason.
I don't need a rethink.
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Innocent’s should never be getting bombed, regardless of where they live , and whoever’s bombing them should be cursed. No issue with that.
The world can’t have / can never have a president of the USA like Trump ever again.
Tin pot 3rd world countries can, they are not important.
But the USA...... no never, never again.

posted on 3/11/20

And not with those tax changes causing trillions of debt.

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It clearly hasn't helped has it as the figures that you can't argue with show.

He is like a child with an abacus as his businesses that have gone bankrupt (six times) have shown.

It takes a genius to bankrupt a casino.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 8 minutes ago
The national debt has almost increased in the same amount in 4 years under Trump than the 8 years under Obama.

2008 - $10,024.72 Billion
2016 - $19,573.45 Billion
2020 - $26,945.39 Billion
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As you show, the debt doubled under Obama, ie he borrowed more than every single POTUS that went before him.
Prior to the germ, along with a global lockdown, US debt was around $23 trillion. It would have needed to be around $30 trillion (minus Covid) currently for your point to stand.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
And not with those tax changes causing trillions of debt.

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It clearly hasn't helped has it as the figures that you can't argue with show.

He is like a child with an abacus as his businesses that have gone bankrupt (six times) have shown.

It takes a genius to bankrupt a casino.
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His casino performance is rather impressive. Going bankrupt doesn’t really mean the same as it does for Joe public.

posted on 3/11/20

Since 1970, when the national debt stood at about 26.7% of GDP, debt has gone through a few different periods, staying fairly steady through the 1970's, rising drastically through the 1980's and early 1990's under the Reagan and Bush Presidencies. It peaked in Q1 1994 at 48.3% of GDP, before falling again under the Clinton administration to a low of 30.9% in Q2 2001. It started climbing under George W. Bush again, slowly at first, and then sharply.


As the financial crisis hit with the worst recession since the Great Depression, government revenues plummeted and stimulus spending surged to stabilize the economy from total ruin. This economic catastrophe, combined with enormous reduction in revenue from the Bush tax cuts and the continued expenses of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, caused the debt to balloon. Under the two terms of the Obama administration, federal debt held by the public rose from 43.8% of GDP in Q4 2008 to 75.9% in Q4 2016, a 73.3% increase.11

Under President Trump, the national debt rose by 4% in his first three years in office.11 While Trump further slashed federal revenue with his Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, the national debt didn't expand sharply as the economy had largely recovered from the 2008 financial crisis. However, in 2020, when the COVID-19 pandemic hit, the U.S. economy was sent into recession.The virus forced widespread quarantines, shutdowns, enormous stimulus and relief expenditures, and drastically lowered government revenue. If the CBO's estimate is correct and the debt-to-GDP ratio reaches 98.2% by the end of 2020, then the level of federal debt held by the public will have grown 29.4% under Trump's four years in office.

posted on 3/11/20

Prior to the germ, along with a global lockdown, US debt was around $23 trillion.

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Do you know why the debt shot up under Obama? do you need some clues? I actually think Sat Nav will know this without looking it up although he has ignored it so far.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Prior to the germ, along with a global lockdown, US debt was around $23 trillion.

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Do you know why the debt shot up under Obama? do you need some clues? I actually think Sat Nav will know this without looking it up although he has ignored it so far.

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Exactly so why attribute the 2020 spike to Trump’s tax changes when it’s clearly COVID-19 that is by far the biggest factor.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Prior to the germ, along with a global lockdown, US debt was around $23 trillion.

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Do you know why the debt shot up under Obama? do you need some clues? I actually think Sat Nav will know this without looking it up although he has ignored it so far.

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Exactly so why attribute the 2020 spike to Trump’s tax changes when it’s clearly COVID-19 that is by far the biggest factor.
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Both Obama and Trump have had to deal with major recessions during their time in office yet only one of them gets let off the hook and the other gets blamed.

posted on 3/11/20

To be fair Trump is still accountable, he has had plenty of chance to control the pandemic better and therefore lessen the financial damage.

posted on 3/11/20

Exactly so why attribute the 2020 spike to Trump’s tax changes when it’s clearly COVID-19 that is by far the biggest factor.

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I didn't. I attributed it to Trumps three and a half years not just the Covid.

posted on 3/11/20

Both Obama and Trump have had to deal with major recessions during their time in office yet only one of them gets let off the hook and the other gets blamed.

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Take your tin foil hat off. Trump was going pear shaped on the debt before Covid.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 48 seconds ago
Exactly so why attribute the 2020 spike to Trump’s tax changes when it’s clearly COVID-19 that is by far the biggest factor.

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I didn't. I attributed it to Trumps three and a half years not just the Covid.
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You said his policies. I asked which policies and you said “the tax ones”. You didn’t even mention Covid-19. You solely attributed it to Trump’s policies and specifically “the tax ones” which has now been shown to you to be completely wrong.

posted on 3/11/20

You said his policies,

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This is correct.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Both Obama and Trump have had to deal with major recessions during their time in office yet only one of them gets let off the hook and the other gets blamed.

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Take your tin foil hat off. Trump was going pear shaped on the debt before Covid.
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Open your eyes and look at the figures VC it’s right there for you in black & white. The only abnormal rise was in 2020 and that is due to COVID-19. Just like Obama’s biggest rise was in 2009 due to the financial crisis. But but...I hate Trump though.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
You said his policies,

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This is correct.
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The tax ones lol.

posted on 3/11/20

Open your eyes and look at the figures VC it’s right there for you in black & white

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Yes it is, He went 4 Trillion more in debt before Covid.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Cinciwolf---Mustn't grumble (U11551)
posted 8 minutes ago
To be fair Trump is still accountable, he has had plenty of chance to control the pandemic better and therefore lessen the financial damage.
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There are far too many variables for you to conclude that. Even the experts cannot make such a conclusion.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticise Donald Trump. Stretching, warping and vaguely asserting things don’t hold up make the criticisms meaningless.

posted on 3/11/20

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticise Donald Trump.

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His handling of the Pandemic being the main one. And it hasn't helped his economic outlook.

Polls have Biden slightly ahead in (last week) who the public trust to get the economy back on track

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Open your eyes and look at the figures VC it’s right there for you in black & white

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Yes it is, He went 4 Trillion more in debt before Covid.


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Jesus Christ you’re painful.

Inherited 19.5tn and then went to 23tn at covid timing. That’s 1.16tb per year.
Now go and look at the previous figures:

15-16 1.5tn jump
14-15 0.35tn
13-14 1.1tn jump
12-13 0.7tn jump
11-12 1.2tn jump
10-11 1.2tn jump

That is an average jump of 1.008tn

So we’re talking about 1.16 Trump vs 1.008 Obama

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 18 minutes ago
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticise Donald Trump.

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His handling of the Pandemic being the main one. And it hasn't helped his economic outlook.

Polls have Biden slightly ahead in (last week) who the public trust to get the economy back on track
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It wasn’t responsible (his handling) to say the least but I’m not exactly pro lockdown either so that’s another conversation entirely.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago


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His policies have doubled the US Debt in one term.
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And this is where you started VC, just so you know.

So it’s doubled the debt in one term 19.5 to 23 and 1.16 compared to 1.008.

Nice

posted on 3/11/20

Just watched Trump claim during the final debate that China gave them the $28bn for the farmers.. by 'devaluing their currency'.

The man's a fackin lunatic

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago


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His policies have doubled the US Debt in one term.
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And this is where you started VC, just so you know.

So it’s doubled the debt in one term 19.5 to 23 and 1.16 compared to 1.008.

Nice
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You can't just ignore his policies during Covid and the additional national debt because its inconvenient. In the last year national debt has seen its largest rise, GDP has seen its sharpest fall and the US deficit has increased massively. All while tensions within the nation have increased through a President who is incredibly divisive and hundreds of thousands have died in a pandemic that he still doesnt take seriously.

I'm sure something Biden said 30 years ago, something Obama did or Biden slipping up in a speech (as if Trump is coherent ) will be your response; but the fact anyone tries to draw some sort of equivalency between them and Trump to defend him says a lot about them.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Picasso (U21397)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Picasso (U21397)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf---Mustn't grumble (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
Trump supporters are the biggest bunch of dumb fecks on the planet. And lucky me is currently living amongst them in the dumbest state in the US in Ohio. They make me sick.
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Is it the wars he's caused or the fact that he hasn't borrowed more ie saddled the taxpayer more than any POTUS before him (combined!) in history?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s because he so Fuqing STUPID.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So being STUPID ranks higher than causing pointless wars coupled with doubling the US debt in only 8yrs?
Wow.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Being stupid in life is acceptable,
But to be president of the United States and be stupid, no, very stupid , ( unbelievably stupid ) is not acceptable, totally non acceptable.
How can you defend this thing, it’s showing poor judgement on your part.
Have a rethink.
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I'm not defending him. I haven't voted on anything for the past 25yrs or so when it (finally) struck me that nothing ever changes for the better.
All i know, now as an observer, is that the news has for the past 4yrs been mainly aimed at deriding the current POTUS and far less about innocents being
bombed in pointless 'conflicts' half a world away for no reason.
I don't need a rethink.
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Ah so you don't actually care that civilian casualties of American drone strikes have largely increased under trump, you are just happy they arent being reported (partly because trump changed policy so they don't have to be).

As long as you don't have ti hear about it, then its fine.

I think you do need a rethink.

posted on 3/11/20

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago


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His policies have doubled the US Debt in one term.
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And this is where you started VC, just so you know.

So it’s doubled the debt in one term 19.5 to 23 and 1.16 compared to 1.008.

Nice
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You can't just ignore his policies during Covid and the additional national debt because its inconvenient. In the last year national debt has seen its largest rise, GDP has seen its sharpest fall and the US deficit has increased massively. All while tensions within the nation have increased through a President who is incredibly divisive and hundreds of thousands have died in a pandemic that he still doesnt take seriously.

I'm sure something Biden said 30 years ago, something Obama did or Biden slipping up in a speech (as if Trump is coherent) will be your response; but the fact anyone tries to draw some sort of equivalency between them and Trump to defend him says a lot about them.
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Try reading through the thread first Tam.

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