comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
So, if everybody adopts the cautious approach being proposed.....?
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or everyone goes for it and it causes issues.

Who knows

But if people are cautious then thats individual choice.

And quite understandable

Ill take it as will the kids
I doubt very much the Duchess will though.
I will try and change her mind, but we should be respectful of personal choice on this.

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
So, if everybody adopts the cautious approach being proposed.....?
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or everyone goes for it and it causes issues.

Who knows

But if people are cautious then thats individual choice.

And quite understandable

Ill take it as will the kids
I doubt very much the Duchess will though.
I will try and change her mind, but we should be respectful of personal choice on this.
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Exactly.

30% of under 25 age group say they will refuse it, so do we just jag them anyway?

Yeah, I'll take it because any ill effects will be totally unexpected. This stuff is peer reviewed to within an inch. Anything goes wrong they did their best for society which will be what we are doing by taking it. Those with a valid medical reason get a bye but everyone else - not much better than the covidiots who were also exercising personal choice. Folk getting it becoming a burden on the nhs like the obese and smokers making personal choices except without the tax contribution.

I was half serious months ago when I proposed doubling the price of drink to pay for all this. 30 years I think it was going to take?

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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
So, if everybody adopts the cautious approach being proposed.....?
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or everyone goes for it and it causes issues.

Who knows

But if people are cautious then thats individual choice.

And quite understandable

Ill take it as will the kids
I doubt very much the Duchess will though.
I will try and change her mind, but we should be respectful of personal choice on this.
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Exactly.

30% of under 25 age group say they will refuse it, so do we just jag them anyway?
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really ?

I would have thought they might want life back ASAP.

You cant force people, but we do need a concerted effort by the powers that be to emphasize the benefit

comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
So, if everybody adopts the cautious approach being proposed.....?
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or everyone goes for it and it causes issues.

Who knows

But if people are cautious then thats individual choice.

And quite understandable

Ill take it as will the kids
I doubt very much the Duchess will though.
I will try and change her mind, but we should be respectful of personal choice on this.
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Tuberculosis vaccine was mandatory and then no longer required a couple of decades later.

Vaccines only work with a large uptake of people.

Those who do not want it should be happy to live in a permanent state of covid restrictions and I am sure they all will be more than happy to do so.


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Interesting with a quick google an article says where the Tuberculosis vaccine is still mandatory then COVID cases are less.

Doesnt say where they are though, Im sure a list is findable though.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 14 minutes ago
So, if everybody adopts the cautious approach being proposed.....?
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or everyone goes for it and it causes issues.

Who knows

But if people are cautious then thats individual choice.

And quite understandable

Ill take it as will the kids
I doubt very much the Duchess will though.
I will try and change her mind, but we should be respectful of personal choice on this.
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Exactly.

30% of under 25 age group say they will refuse it, so do we just jag them anyway?
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I'm sure I read that this age group, with no underlying conditions, have less risk from covid than the vaccine.

I mean it's like 0.00 something percent but it's still higher. (Based on initial testing of the vaccine. Not death as such but iirc a swollen spinal cord etc)

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 20 minutes ago
And anyone comparing thalidomide with this vaccine is a moron.

You're trying to compare a drug to a vaccine for a start. A drug that was administered in large doses, before testing even existed.

It was precisely because of it that we have these rigourous procedures, to prevent it occurring again.

You'd have to laugh at these people if it didn't have real world implications 🤦‍♂️
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Firstly dont ever call me a moron

Secondly its a very good example of testing procedures that can go wrong OR ARE INSUFFICIENT.

Because you have complete faith in the procedures does not make you correct.
As said thousands of other drugs have been tested approved then pulled due to unforeseen side-effects.

Im not saying thats whats happened here and as said I will gladly take it, but plenty of others will have very valid concerns.

The fact that you laugh at these concerns is ...well laughable.


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It isn't a very good example of anything. It's proof of what happens when you use an UNTESTED drug. It's got sod all to do with vaccines. That's akin to finding out skittles cause cancer and then using that as an excuse to stop people eating chocolate.. they've got nothing to do with each other.

The vaccine is not a drug. The mRNA vaccine doesn't even contain any of the virus.

Have you bothered to read anything about the vaccines?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

I'll continue to call anyone a moron who flies in the face of established science, just because they have a hunch that they're right and the established science and experts are all wrong 🤦‍♂️

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 minutes ago
So, if everybody adopts the cautious approach being proposed.....?
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The vaccine won't be effective, thereby making it redundant.

Smallpox would never have been eradicated off the face of the earth had all these sceptics and "civil liberties" champions been as vocal or stubborn decades ago.

When personal choice puts the rest of society in jeopardy then you have to question that choice.

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 20 minutes ago
And anyone comparing thalidomide with this vaccine is a moron.

You're trying to compare a drug to a vaccine for a start. A drug that was administered in large doses, before testing even existed.

It was precisely because of it that we have these rigourous procedures, to prevent it occurring again.

You'd have to laugh at these people if it didn't have real world implications 🤦‍♂️
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Firstly dont ever call me a moron

Secondly its a very good example of testing procedures that can go wrong OR ARE INSUFFICIENT.

Because you have complete faith in the procedures does not make you correct.
As said thousands of other drugs have been tested approved then pulled due to unforeseen side-effects.

Im not saying thats whats happened here and as said I will gladly take it, but plenty of others will have very valid concerns.

The fact that you laugh at these concerns is ...well laughable.


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It isn't a very good example of anything. It's proof of what happens when you use an UNTESTED drug. It's got sod all to do with vaccines. That's akin to finding out skittles cause cancer and then using that as an excuse to stop people eating chocolate.. they've got nothing to do with each other.

The vaccine is not a drug. The mRNA vaccine doesn't even contain any of the virus.

Have you bothered to read anything about the vaccines?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

I'll continue to call anyone a moron who flies in the face of established science, just because they have a hunch that they're right and the established science and experts are all wrong 🤦‍♂️
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I know a lot more than you about vaccines
I know they will contain a cocktail of drugs and antibodies,therefore it’s got quite a lot to do with drugs

The example I gave was of a tested drug with many good uses but not all applications were safe

I will go with the science and take the vaccine

And you went name calling was nothing to do with flying in the face of science given I support it

But it’s how you debate I guess

This vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with drugs and your persistence in trying to link the two does indeed come across as being moronic.

Thalidomide was barely trialled in humans before being rolled out.. That is why we have stringent measures in place now.

It literally has nothing to do with this current vaccine. If you don't like being called a moron stop trying to compare thalidomide with this current vaccine.

Is this vaccine a once in a lifetime job like the MMR jab the weans get, or is it like the flu jab that folk have to take every year?

See if it's a once in a lifetime job, I really don't understand the want and need to make it mandatory

Surely if people don't want to risk getting COVID, they just go and get the jab, simple

See after that, they aren't going to get it, so really, what does it matter if other folk get the vaccine or not?

Anyone that doesn't take it, decides to do so at their own risk surely? They would not be a risk to folk that have been vaccinated surely?

Because unless enough people are immune, the virus will still spread and mutate.

That could render the vaccine redundant, along with making anyone who'd already caught the disease vulnerable to catching a new strain of it.. just repeating the cycle.

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 15 minutes ago
This vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with drugs and your persistence in trying to link the two does indeed come across as being moronic.

Thalidomide was barely trialled in humans before being rolled out.. That is why we have stringent measures in place now.

It literally has nothing to do with this current vaccine. If you don't like being called a moron stop trying to compare thalidomide with this current vaccine.
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It’s an example of insufficient testing

You said it wasn’t tested
It was in line with the requirements of the day

Just as this vaccine has (we are told)

In time tests will evolve and improve
So I’m happy enough to take it

Your lack of comprehension on this issue is quite astounding
Nothing to do with drugs

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 9 minutes ago
Is this vaccine a once in a lifetime job like the MMR jab the weans get, or is it like the flu jab that folk have to take every year?

See if it's a once in a lifetime job, I really don't understand the want and need to make it mandatory

Surely if people don't want to risk getting COVID, they just go and get the jab, simple

See after that, they aren't going to get it, so really, what does it matter if other folk get the vaccine or not?

Anyone that doesn't take it, decides to do so at their own risk surely? They would not be a risk to folk that have been vaccinated surely?

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People need to be encouraged to take it
Mass immunisation is the quickest way to either erase or control

Just chatted with my brother (retired Doctor) he will take the vaccine as soon as it is available.

Good enough for me

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......Schizophrenia was my idea!.....No it wasn't!.....You are never alone with a Schizo :D (U2115)
posted 1 minute ago
Just chatted with my brother (retired Doctor) he will take the vaccine as soon as it is available.

Good enough for me
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Nothing to do with drugs 👍

https://twitter.com/drjanaway/status/1334151488474648576?s=19

Can't believe there are people out there that think vaccines are drugs 🤦‍♂️

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 12 minutes ago
Is this vaccine a once in a lifetime job like the MMR jab the weans get, or is it like the flu jab that folk have to take every year?

See if it's a once in a lifetime job, I really don't understand the want and need to make it mandatory

Surely if people don't want to risk getting COVID, they just go and get the jab, simple

See after that, they aren't going to get it, so really, what does it matter if other folk get the vaccine or not?

Anyone that doesn't take it, decides to do so at their own risk surely? They would not be a risk to folk that have been vaccinated surely?

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Nobody knows for sure mate but it seems like evidence suggests rapidly reducing antibodies and folk getting reinfected so more like the flu though at the moment less mutation?

As I understand it mutation is not necessarily a bad thing and can be an indicator of the virus desperately seeking ways to counter immunity? Also, I’ve read it can also be an indicator of increased transmission but at the expense of infection severity?

Like flu, the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID but should lessen the impact when you do. It’s also the case that worse infections increase the chance of transmission. Basically we need folk to take the vaccine and even then it may be an annual jab?

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 22 seconds ago
Nothing to do with drugs 👍

https://twitter.com/drjanaway/status/1334151488474648576?s=19

Can't believe there are people out there that think vaccines are drugs 🤦‍♂️
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Best to keep quiet and have people think you are ,,, Etc

Nothing to do with drugs

Aye ok 👍

Dafty

You'll have evidence that this vaccine is a drug then..

Some educational material for you, given you need it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Not. A. Drug.

Contains no drugs.

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 9 minutes ago
Is this vaccine a once in a lifetime job like the MMR jab the weans get, or is it like the flu jab that folk have to take every year?

See if it's a once in a lifetime job, I really don't understand the want and need to make it mandatory

Surely if people don't want to risk getting COVID, they just go and get the jab, simple

See after that, they aren't going to get it, so really, what does it matter if other folk get the vaccine or not?

Anyone that doesn't take it, decides to do so at their own risk surely? They would not be a risk to folk that have been vaccinated surely?

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People need to be encouraged to take it
Mass immunisation is the quickest way to either erase or control
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Surely the dafties that don't want to take it, don't take it, get ill then die - thus natural selection and the human race gets smarter..?

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 8 seconds ago
Some educational material for you, given you need it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Not. A. Drug.

Contains no drugs.
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Not all the vaccines are mRNA. Just saying.