comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 38 minutes ago
MUDD: 'Risking their lives'*

*If they are over-65 and have comorbidities i.e. unlikely they are working in the NHS. Otherwise, they have very little chance of dying.
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More nonsense.

There are people under 65 dying and being signed off long term with debilitating long Covid symptoms.

That isn't even considering the account that have and will be signed off with stress and other mental health issues as a result of the work they are doing now.

comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 35 minutes ago
It’s funny how everybody is allowed to complain about and question the governments’ handling of the pandemic but as soon as you question how they are recording deaths or rolling out a vaccine you are automatically branded a Qanon conspiracy nut
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Because your nonsense arguments have already been debunked FFS.

Act like a moron and expect folk to call you out for being a moron.

I proved this to be false already. Stop peddling lies.



Don’t remember you proving anything. Just getting angry because somebody disagreed with you that’s all

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 40 minutes ago
MUDD: Misinformation does lead to death. Just imagine how many suicides and mental health crises we have had/will have due to lockdowns, imposed based on poor quality data
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What data do you have that shows lockdowns do not work?


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He has none.

All the evidence points to the exact opposite of that argument

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 39 minutes ago
MUDD: 'Risking their lives'*

*If they are over-65 and have comorbidities i.e. unlikely they are working in the NHS. Otherwise, they have very little chance of dying.
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Tell that to the doctors that has retired and came back to save lives and subsequently died or have their lives shortened because of this disease.

comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 38 seconds ago
I proved this to be false already. Stop peddling lies.



Don’t remember you proving anything. Just getting angry because somebody disagreed with you that’s all
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I posted links to how the data is recorded.

Which debunk your argument that people are incorrectly being recorded as deaths by Covid.

They aren't. Unless you believe every single doctor is in on this conspiracy to label non-Covid deaths as Covid caused deaths. The only alternative is that you believe all of these doctors to be incompetent as they're are misdiagnosing the cause or underlying causes of each death.

Either way, you come across as a tube.

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 40 minutes ago
MUDD: Misinformation does lead to death. Just imagine how many suicides and mental health crises we have had/will have due to lockdowns, imposed based on poor quality data
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What data do you have that shows lockdowns do not work?


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He has none.

All the evidence points to the exact opposite of that argument
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These people really wind me up.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 39 minutes ago
MUDD: 'Risking their lives'*

*If they are over-65 and have comorbidities i.e. unlikely they are working in the NHS. Otherwise, they have very little chance of dying.
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Tell that to the doctors that has retired and came back to save lives and subsequently died or have their lives shortened because of this disease.
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The was a nurse in her mid-40s who died from Covid in the hospital she has worked in for 20 years.. after treating Covid patients.

Imagine being her colleagues having to try and save her before watching her essentially suffocate to death in a prolonged and brutal manner.

That's just one example. The mental toll is undoubtedly going to cause multiple resignations and long term absences which will hammer an already stretched and understaffed NHS. What will make it worse is seeing idiots like some of the guys on this thread who are undermining their efforts and belittling the work that they are doing.

It's pretty disgusting the way some of the public are treating them/behaving toward them.

You and I both daredevil.

My pal's dad died of it during the first wave. Mid 50s with no underlying health conditions.

My pal who literally lives next door to me was in hospital for a week with it a couple of weeks ago, on oxygen. She's home now but is knackered just walking about her flat.. I've had to drive her to the local shop which is only a two minute walk away coz she doesn't have the energy or breath to walk it. She's 32.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54731262

This country uses 3 ways of determining the impact of the pandemic on death rates.

1. Daily figures based on positive tests which gives a good indication of the current trend.

2. ONS figures which usually have a 1-2 week delay. These are based on death certificates which list COVID as a cause, based on the opinion of a medical professional.

3. The excess deaths over a weekly/monthly period.

All three together give an incredibly detailed picture of the impact of COVID.

There’s absolutely no evidence that these figures are manipulated in any way, and anybody claiming that should post their own studies/research on the matter, or stop talking nonsense.

Somebody being hit by a bus will not have COVID on their death certificate, this is a complete lie.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 1 minute ago
This country uses 3 ways of determining the impact of the pandemic on death rates.

1. Daily figures based on positive tests which gives a good indication of the current trend.

2. ONS figures which usually have a 1-2 week delay. These are based on death certificates which list COVID as a cause, based on the opinion of a medical professional.

3. The excess deaths over a weekly/monthly period.

All three together give an incredibly detailed picture of the impact of COVID.

There’s absolutely no evidence that these figures are manipulated in any way, and anybody claiming that should post their own studies/research on the matter, or stop talking nonsense.

Somebody being hit by a bus will not have COVID on their death certificate, this is a complete lie.
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You're wasting your time.

I've already posted this and the Muppets are still in denial. There's no curing stupid with some people.

Must be hellish living your life not being able to trust medical experts and established medical and statistical institutions.

The same idiots that probably believe in holistic treatments and pseudo-science.

“ The Department of Health includes anyone who had died within 28 days of receiving a positive test for Covid-19 as a coronavirus-related death.”

comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 11 seconds ago
“ The Department of Health includes anyone who had died within 28 days of receiving a positive test for Covid-19 as a coronavirus-related death.”
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Yes these are the daily deaths. If a medical professional doesn’t conclude that COVID was a contributing factor, then the person won’t be included in the ONS stats.

At least make an effort to understand the basics.

The death was officially registered as covid related despite him not having covid when dying, and dying from an unrelated illness to covid.

So the earlier comments starting that people who have died within 28 days of a positive covid19 being false, was in fact, false

So you can cite anecdotal 'evidence' of various things that suit your arguement but we can't? For every 'retired doctor that died' story there's tens of thousands of people who had no symptoms or just a mild sniffle.

I also didn't say lockdowns 'don't work', I said that there will be a toll of mental health and many many other things - IMO the cure (in this case lockdown) is worse than the virus. Funnily enough, the institutions you hold dear aren't interested in studying the negative effects of lockdown - I wonder why?

We'll no doubt see articles about the horrendous after-effects of lockdown coming out once the pandemic has dissipated and you'll all claim you were never in agreement with lockdown and continue acting high and mighty.

So the earlier comments stating that people who have died within 28 days of a positive covid19 test going down as covid19 deaths, even when the case was not related to covid19* being false

I’m not explaining it again.

I haven’t said that I’m anti vaccine, anti lockdown or that covid19 is not a deadly disease, but because I have shown examples of covid deaths not actually being covid deaths I am the Qanon Shaman

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 11 seconds ago
“ The Department of Health includes anyone who had died within 28 days of receiving a positive test for Covid-19 as a coronavirus-related death.”
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Yes these are the daily deaths. If a medical professional doesn’t conclude that COVID was a contributing factor, then the person won’t be included in the ONS stats.

At least make an effort to understand the basics.
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You're as much use talking to a brick wall.

I've already provided him with this evidence

comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
I haven’t said that I’m anti vaccine, anti lockdown or that covid19 is not a deadly disease, but because I have shown examples of covid deaths not actually being covid deaths I am the Qanon Shaman
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You have one example which could be construed as non-Covid if you believe the family over the medical professionals who recorded the death

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 11 seconds ago
“ The Department of Health includes anyone who had died within 28 days of receiving a positive test for Covid-19 as a coronavirus-related death.”
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Yes these are the daily deaths. If a medical professional doesn’t conclude that COVID was a contributing factor, then the person won’t be included in the ONS stats.

At least make an effort to understand the basics.
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You're as much use talking to a brick wall.

I've already provided him with this evidence
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To be honest I only skimmed through the comments. I wouldn’t usually bother but there seems to be large number of people who just don’t understand how the data is captured.

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
MU52: What I mean is the death rate is a figure that is open to inaccuracy and possibly manipulation and you should see that as a problem. Covid being mentioned as a 'contributory factor' (the ONS don't say how much of a contributory factor it was - doctors don't have to/can't determine this) rather than a direct cause of death is enough for it to be classed as a 'covid death' and the Govt. then bases their strategy (affecting people's lives in a multitude of negative ways) on that - that is crazy to me.

Even the 'people in hospital with it' figure gives a distorted impression because of the fact that around half (last time I checked) contract it IN hospital.

Basically the whole thing is inaccurate at best and should be viewed with a sceptical eye - and it doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist to say so.

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I still don't get your points really. There can be no disputing the fact that the measures taken save hundreds of lives.
I base this on the fact that the government would not do it otherwise as it's unpopular and damages the economy.
Plus governments around the world are doing the same thing.
I don't see the published death rates as a problem. But I do see the real deaths as one.

If these ‘false’ Covid deaths had an impact on figures, it would show up when comparing the daily deaths to the ONS data. But it doesn’t. They have nearly a year worth of this data now, which is plenty to validate their methods.

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
I haven’t said that I’m anti vaccine, anti lockdown or that covid19 is not a deadly disease, but because I have shown examples of covid deaths not actually being covid deaths I am the Qanon Shaman
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You have one example which could be construed as non-Covid if you believe the family over the medical professionals who recorded the death
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The medical professionals told the family he died of heart failure. Why would this family lie about the cause of their son’s death?