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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 4 minutes ago
So correct me if i'm wrong. IF they let this go ahead instead of the CL and they still play in the PL will it not add anther 38 games to a season?
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I think it is a minimum of 18 games per season, reaching 23 if you get to the final. The CL is currently 6 games and 13 if you get to the final, so it is somewhere between 10 and 12 extra games.
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And they moan about having too many fixtures now?
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Yeah, I'm not sure how it squares with player welfare. If they don't compete in the domestic cups than you might be able to argue that it balances, but only 2 games are season are guaranteed in domestic cups so it will still see a potential increase of 10 games on what they would have otherwise played.
Having said that, if you were to reach the final of both cups and the CL it would be 25 games compared to 23 in the new suggestion.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 4 minutes ago
So correct me if i'm wrong. IF they let this go ahead instead of the CL and they still play in the PL will it not add anther 38 games to a season?
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I think it is a minimum of 18 games per season, reaching 23 if you get to the final. The CL is currently 6 games and 13 if you get to the final, so it is somewhere between 10 and 12 extra games.
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And they moan about having too many fixtures now?
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Yeah, I'm not sure how it squares with player welfare. If they don't compete in the domestic cups than you might be able to argue that it balances, but only 2 games are season are guaranteed in domestic cups so it will still see a potential increase of 10 games on what they would have otherwise played.
Having said that, if you were to reach the final of both cups and the CL it would be 25 games compared to 23 in the new suggestion.
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Surely if the new league has 20 teams in it then you play them twice. thats 38 games. Where are you getting 23 from?
It’s two leagues of 10 teams.
Top three of each league qualify for the quarter finals. Then the 4th and 5th placed teams from each league play each other - the winners making up the 8 quarter finalists.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s two leagues of 10 teams.
Top three of each league qualify for the quarter finals. Then the 4th and 5th placed teams from each league play each other - the winners making up the 8 quarter finalists.
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Ah ok.
The "super league" (note the lower case) is a complete and irresponsible concept, why?
Because fans of the clubs have not been consulted, the game needs to be brought back to the people,
not to line the pockets of already rich clubs and individual owners.
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 4 minutes ago
So correct me if i'm wrong. IF they let this go ahead instead of the CL and they still play in the PL will it not add anther 38 games to a season?
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I think it is a minimum of 18 games per season, reaching 23 if you get to the final. The CL is currently 6 games and 13 if you get to the final, so it is somewhere between 10 and 12 extra games.
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And they moan about having too many fixtures now?
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Yeah, I'm not sure how it squares with player welfare. If they don't compete in the domestic cups than you might be able to argue that it balances, but only 2 games are season are guaranteed in domestic cups so it will still see a potential increase of 10 games on what they would have otherwise played.
Having said that, if you were to reach the final of both cups and the CL it would be 25 games compared to 23 in the new suggestion.
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Surely if the new league has 20 teams in it then you play them twice. thats 38 games. Where are you getting 23 from?
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that but Ripley is correct. The proposal is that the teams will be split into 2 leagues of 10.
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 5 minutes ago
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
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Twitter is full of fans that are supporting this. 90% of them aren't even in this country. Just armchair Soccer fans.
Plus, should they be allowed to stay in the PL, what incentive will the big six have to win it or finish in the top four? None - not even money!
Which means they will play their second teams in the PL and save their “stars” for the ESL games - effectively making a mockery of the PL.
This has to be stopped but if it goes ahead then these teams have to be sanctioned. Kick them out of every competition we can and treat them like the lepers they deserve.
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 13 minutes ago
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
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Now we can see why they aren’t bothered and haven’t sacked their manager. Same with Spurs. They knew this was coming.
Since when have Spurs become a big enough club to warrant guaranteed European football? They haven’t won our league since 1961.
What worries me is that the people who are proposing this must have known that they woudn't get the go-ahead from FIFA et al, so this proposal is leverage for some alternative that they have their eyes on.
Perhaps they think that their clubs withdrawing from domestic competitions will put so much financial pressure on the different leagues that they will keep them in and perhaps just exclude them from the cups (which they would be happy with) -- Sky etc. would probably put in a lower bid for TV rights if the "big six" weren't in the mix for Premier League games.
I hope the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A hold fast in the face of such blackmail.
Also, we win tonight then as a newly promoted club, then just off the top of my head
We will have beaten one of the teams in this super league to go above another and taken 4, out of six points off another one of them.
Just saying...
Wish there were fans at ER tonight. Be great to welcome our visitors warmly.
Agree with Leedsfan - this is the opening shot of a blackmail operation. Even so, the ultimate logic of capitalism is monopoly, so it's not really that surprising. What can one really expect from a Glazer?
Very please that our AR has supported Gary Neville's public opposition. Neville has rocketed in my estimation - as has Charlie Austin, the only high profile player so far to condemn this development.
Interesting that Jonty should use the word "evolution" a word most use as progressive and positive which is in this footbal super leaguel context imo is regressive.
Football in most of Europe is becoming more and more Americanised, based on franchises and financial power, they don't understand the culture of the individual national leagues.
My nightmare is that football will focus on games in London and the north west of England, the rest of the national club pyramid will be downgraded even more.
Blimey...points deductions and relegation for the "big six"? That really would set a good example...and we might end up finishing with a CL spot!!!
Well spotted, NJS, I thought the use of "evolution" was also curious.
Perhaps "degradation" might be a better alternative?
It's a real mess because this degradation of our game started with the PL breakaway so chickens are finally coming home to roost.
All the English clubs need to make individual statements clarifying their positions on this. To defeat it, the clubs need to show solidarity.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
I predict fifa and uefa and these clubs will have discussions and despite the protestations this will happen in some shape or form.
Whether it’s a success I do not know, but the sport has really lost its way when it’s focussed solely on money and not the huge benefit sport has to peoples mental, physical snd emotional health.
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How does this proposal have any effect on people's ability to play and watch sport?
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Money will no longer find its way to grass roots football, clubs and facilities will close.
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 10 minutes ago
Interesting that Jonty should use the word "evolution" a word most use as progressive and positive which is in this footbal super leaguel context imo is regressive.
Football in most of Europe is becoming more and more Americanised, based on franchises and financial power, they don't understand the culture of the individual national leagues.
My nightmare is that football will focus on games in London and the north west of England, the rest of the national club pyramid will be downgraded even more.
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Because this is the word people trying to justify this will use.
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 13 minutes ago
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
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Now we can see why they aren’t bothered and haven’t sacked their manager. Same with Spurs. They knew this was coming.
Since when have Spurs become a big enough club to warrant guaranteed European football? They haven’t won our league since 1961.
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Although apparently Spurs have just sacked their manager...
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
I predict fifa and uefa and these clubs will have discussions and despite the protestations this will happen in some shape or form.
Whether it’s a success I do not know, but the sport has really lost its way when it’s focussed solely on money and not the huge benefit sport has to peoples mental, physical snd emotional health.
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How does this proposal have any effect on people's ability to play and watch sport?
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Money will no longer find its way to grass roots football, clubs and facilities will close.
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That's a reasonable concern, but why won't it? If the proposal goes through as suggested then nothing really changes domestically, except perhaps that the big 6 don't play in the FA Cup and League Cup.
So why would the FA stop sending money down the pyramid?
welshpoolfan - it appears from your posts that you're not against this idea. So - genie request - could you explain why you feel that a league with no relegation is a good thing on a sporting level?
I understand that a steady and reliable income is good for the clubs on a business level.
But I genuinely don't understand why it might be good on a sporting level.
If you do support the move, could you explain why you think it is a good thing?
hahahahahaha Mourinho sacked hahahahaha
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posted on 19/4/21
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 4 minutes ago
So correct me if i'm wrong. IF they let this go ahead instead of the CL and they still play in the PL will it not add anther 38 games to a season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is a minimum of 18 games per season, reaching 23 if you get to the final. The CL is currently 6 games and 13 if you get to the final, so it is somewhere between 10 and 12 extra games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And they moan about having too many fixtures now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I'm not sure how it squares with player welfare. If they don't compete in the domestic cups than you might be able to argue that it balances, but only 2 games are season are guaranteed in domestic cups so it will still see a potential increase of 10 games on what they would have otherwise played.
Having said that, if you were to reach the final of both cups and the CL it would be 25 games compared to 23 in the new suggestion.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 4 minutes ago
So correct me if i'm wrong. IF they let this go ahead instead of the CL and they still play in the PL will it not add anther 38 games to a season?
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I think it is a minimum of 18 games per season, reaching 23 if you get to the final. The CL is currently 6 games and 13 if you get to the final, so it is somewhere between 10 and 12 extra games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And they moan about having too many fixtures now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I'm not sure how it squares with player welfare. If they don't compete in the domestic cups than you might be able to argue that it balances, but only 2 games are season are guaranteed in domestic cups so it will still see a potential increase of 10 games on what they would have otherwise played.
Having said that, if you were to reach the final of both cups and the CL it would be 25 games compared to 23 in the new suggestion.
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Surely if the new league has 20 teams in it then you play them twice. thats 38 games. Where are you getting 23 from?
posted on 19/4/21
It’s two leagues of 10 teams.
Top three of each league qualify for the quarter finals. Then the 4th and 5th placed teams from each league play each other - the winners making up the 8 quarter finalists.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s two leagues of 10 teams.
Top three of each league qualify for the quarter finals. Then the 4th and 5th placed teams from each league play each other - the winners making up the 8 quarter finalists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah ok.
posted on 19/4/21
The "super league" (note the lower case) is a complete and irresponsible concept, why?
Because fans of the clubs have not been consulted, the game needs to be brought back to the people,
not to line the pockets of already rich clubs and individual owners.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by BATTYWACK (U2254)
posted 4 minutes ago
So correct me if i'm wrong. IF they let this go ahead instead of the CL and they still play in the PL will it not add anther 38 games to a season?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is a minimum of 18 games per season, reaching 23 if you get to the final. The CL is currently 6 games and 13 if you get to the final, so it is somewhere between 10 and 12 extra games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And they moan about having too many fixtures now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I'm not sure how it squares with player welfare. If they don't compete in the domestic cups than you might be able to argue that it balances, but only 2 games are season are guaranteed in domestic cups so it will still see a potential increase of 10 games on what they would have otherwise played.
Having said that, if you were to reach the final of both cups and the CL it would be 25 games compared to 23 in the new suggestion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely if the new league has 20 teams in it then you play them twice. thats 38 games. Where are you getting 23 from?
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that but Ripley is correct. The proposal is that the teams will be split into 2 leagues of 10.
posted on 19/4/21
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
posted on 19/4/21
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 5 minutes ago
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Twitter is full of fans that are supporting this. 90% of them aren't even in this country. Just armchair Soccer fans.
posted on 19/4/21
Plus, should they be allowed to stay in the PL, what incentive will the big six have to win it or finish in the top four? None - not even money!
Which means they will play their second teams in the PL and save their “stars” for the ESL games - effectively making a mockery of the PL.
This has to be stopped but if it goes ahead then these teams have to be sanctioned. Kick them out of every competition we can and treat them like the lepers they deserve.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 13 minutes ago
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now we can see why they aren’t bothered and haven’t sacked their manager. Same with Spurs. They knew this was coming.
Since when have Spurs become a big enough club to warrant guaranteed European football? They haven’t won our league since 1961.
posted on 19/4/21
What worries me is that the people who are proposing this must have known that they woudn't get the go-ahead from FIFA et al, so this proposal is leverage for some alternative that they have their eyes on.
Perhaps they think that their clubs withdrawing from domestic competitions will put so much financial pressure on the different leagues that they will keep them in and perhaps just exclude them from the cups (which they would be happy with) -- Sky etc. would probably put in a lower bid for TV rights if the "big six" weren't in the mix for Premier League games.
I hope the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A hold fast in the face of such blackmail.
posted on 19/4/21
Also, we win tonight then as a newly promoted club, then just off the top of my head
We will have beaten one of the teams in this super league to go above another and taken 4, out of six points off another one of them.
Just saying...
posted on 19/4/21
Wish there were fans at ER tonight. Be great to welcome our visitors warmly.
posted on 19/4/21
Agree with Leedsfan - this is the opening shot of a blackmail operation. Even so, the ultimate logic of capitalism is monopoly, so it's not really that surprising. What can one really expect from a Glazer?
Very please that our AR has supported Gary Neville's public opposition. Neville has rocketed in my estimation - as has Charlie Austin, the only high profile player so far to condemn this development.
posted on 19/4/21
Interesting that Jonty should use the word "evolution" a word most use as progressive and positive which is in this footbal super leaguel context imo is regressive.
Football in most of Europe is becoming more and more Americanised, based on franchises and financial power, they don't understand the culture of the individual national leagues.
My nightmare is that football will focus on games in London and the north west of England, the rest of the national club pyramid will be downgraded even more.
posted on 19/4/21
Blimey...points deductions and relegation for the "big six"? That really would set a good example...and we might end up finishing with a CL spot!!!
posted on 19/4/21
Well spotted, NJS, I thought the use of "evolution" was also curious.
Perhaps "degradation" might be a better alternative?
It's a real mess because this degradation of our game started with the PL breakaway so chickens are finally coming home to roost.
posted on 19/4/21
All the English clubs need to make individual statements clarifying their positions on this. To defeat it, the clubs need to show solidarity.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
I predict fifa and uefa and these clubs will have discussions and despite the protestations this will happen in some shape or form.
Whether it’s a success I do not know, but the sport has really lost its way when it’s focussed solely on money and not the huge benefit sport has to peoples mental, physical snd emotional health.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How does this proposal have any effect on people's ability to play and watch sport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Money will no longer find its way to grass roots football, clubs and facilities will close.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 10 minutes ago
Interesting that Jonty should use the word "evolution" a word most use as progressive and positive which is in this footbal super leaguel context imo is regressive.
Football in most of Europe is becoming more and more Americanised, based on franchises and financial power, they don't understand the culture of the individual national leagues.
My nightmare is that football will focus on games in London and the north west of England, the rest of the national club pyramid will be downgraded even more.
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Because this is the word people trying to justify this will use.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 13 minutes ago
Arsenal havent qualified for the champions league for four, going to be five, seasons now.
The sheer arogence of their board to think they should be part of a super league would amaze me but then again, rich entitlement isint that hard to understand
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now we can see why they aren’t bothered and haven’t sacked their manager. Same with Spurs. They knew this was coming.
Since when have Spurs become a big enough club to warrant guaranteed European football? They haven’t won our league since 1961.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Although apparently Spurs have just sacked their manager...
posted on 19/4/21
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 minute ago
I predict fifa and uefa and these clubs will have discussions and despite the protestations this will happen in some shape or form.
Whether it’s a success I do not know, but the sport has really lost its way when it’s focussed solely on money and not the huge benefit sport has to peoples mental, physical snd emotional health.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How does this proposal have any effect on people's ability to play and watch sport?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Money will no longer find its way to grass roots football, clubs and facilities will close.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a reasonable concern, but why won't it? If the proposal goes through as suggested then nothing really changes domestically, except perhaps that the big 6 don't play in the FA Cup and League Cup.
So why would the FA stop sending money down the pyramid?
posted on 19/4/21
welshpoolfan - it appears from your posts that you're not against this idea. So - genie request - could you explain why you feel that a league with no relegation is a good thing on a sporting level?
I understand that a steady and reliable income is good for the clubs on a business level.
But I genuinely don't understand why it might be good on a sporting level.
If you do support the move, could you explain why you think it is a good thing?
posted on 19/4/21
'genuine request'
posted on 19/4/21
hahahahahaha Mourinho sacked hahahahaha
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