Was Enid Blyton all that good?
Famous Five? Secret Seven?
How many people can name the Famous Five? Can't be that famous if you can't name them.
Secret Seven? Can't be that secret if you know there's seven of them.
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Was Enid Blyton all that good?
Famous Five? Secret Seven?
How many people can name the Famous Five? Can't be that famous if you can't name them.
Secret Seven? Can't be that secret if you know there's seven of them.
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She was good as a gateway author.
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Gammon Broadcast News : Safe Space for bigots and conspiracy theorists.
Pick a topic (so far it’s either been, anti lockdown, anti wokeness, footballers taking the knee, or Meghan Markle) put on the most reactionary caller you can find, let them rant, say yes, I totally agree with you, and repeat.
Loving the amount of trolling they’re getting though.
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There are lots of black, female, gay and left leaning people on GB news, so behave.
Just because you think people should think like you, haha.
Bad men and women say stuff I cannot take, lol
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No, what they have are BBC, Sky and ITV cast offs, some right wing commentators such as Darren “Hitler Youth” Grimes, and a couple of ex Brexit Party MEP’s.
Like I said, a safe space for racists and anti vaxx loons.
No wonder all the sponsors and advertisers are pulling out already, who the f*ck wants to be associated with Faux News U.K.?
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
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😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
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She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
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I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
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You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
Nice to divide kids up at a young age.
Times are a changing, alright.
Not all liberal or progressive, thanks to BLM and CRT race identity fanatics.
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
Was Enid Blyton all that good?
Famous Five? Secret Seven?
How many people can name the Famous Five? Can't be that famous if you can't name them.
Secret Seven? Can't be that secret if you know there's seven of them.
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I thought she was great
I then “progressed” to The Three Investigators and The Hardy Boys which were more edgy
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Yep me too!
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
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😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
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She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
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I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
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You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
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Good, about f*cking time too.
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Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
I remember the name of the dog!
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I remember the name of the dog!
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Tim meh?
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
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😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
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She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
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You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
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Good, about f*cking time too.
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Glad you are about, as posters denied anyone said white people were inherently racist or privileged on this site, but you always said that.
When does a white baby or toddler become racist and privileged, as nursery staff need to plan ahead???
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Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
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It’s not a choice between Enid Blyton’s worst (of which secret seven or famous five aren’t) or “woke”. There’s a world in between.
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I remember the name of the dog!
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Tim meh?
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Aww ffs, the dug was a Celtic fan.
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
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😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
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She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
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Good, about f*cking time too.
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Glad you are about, as posters denied anyone said white people were inherently racist or privileged on this site, but you always said that.
When does a white baby or toddler become racist and privileged, as nursery staff need to plan ahead???
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When people like you pass down your prejudices, hateful ideologies and awful religions.
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Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
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It’s not a choice between Enid Blyton’s worst (of which secret seven or famous five aren’t) or “woke”. There’s a world in between.
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Never said otherwise.
People were racist with language and views years ago and we progressed, but white, black, Asian folk still use racist language about each other, just not in books anymore.
And nowadays, the bad guy is more often than not a white man, because that is safer, lol.
I blame Dr Who, tbh
Fox News was quite amusing on the early days too, until they started pushing sedition, fascist insurrections and coups.
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I remember the name of the dog!
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Tim meh?
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Aww ffs, the dug was a Celtic fan.
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Simply put
All Celtic fans are dogs
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Now you're sucking diesel, Big fella
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In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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Are they not the same thing? just because racism was accepted by more people in the past, still doesn't change that it was a racist thing to do/write etc
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I was thinking of more how understanding and intent have changed. A bit like mixed race moving to dual heritage. No offense was meant, but the standard or perception changed.
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There was definitely offence in a lot of her writing.
The one bit that English heritage has put that I don’t agree with is “lacking literary merit”. Whilst an adult view of her books might assess that, they are very very well written for children. They don’t become as popular as they were if they aren’t.
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Fox News was quite amusing on the early days too, until they started pushing sedition, fascist insurrections and coups.
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Were CNN behind the 40 odd murders, riots, lootings, cop killings committed by supporters,of BLM and antifa?
Fox had turned on or fell out of love with trump by Jan 2021, FYI.
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Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
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It’s not a choice between Enid Blyton’s worst (of which secret seven or famous five aren’t) or “woke”. There’s a world in between.
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Never said otherwise.
People were racist with language and views years ago and we progressed, but white, black, Asian folk still use racist language about each other, just not in books anymore.
And nowadays, the bad guy is more often than not a white man, because that is safer, lol.
I blame Dr Who, tbh
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Of course they still use racist language in books, or in tv or film. Difference nowadays is how it’s used - it’s usually to say something about the character rather than the author using it as a vehicle for their own prejudices.
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posted on 17/6/21
Was Enid Blyton all that good?
Famous Five? Secret Seven?
How many people can name the Famous Five? Can't be that famous if you can't name them.
Secret Seven? Can't be that secret if you know there's seven of them.
posted on 17/6/21
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
Was Enid Blyton all that good?
Famous Five? Secret Seven?
How many people can name the Famous Five? Can't be that famous if you can't name them.
Secret Seven? Can't be that secret if you know there's seven of them.
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She was good as a gateway author.
posted on 17/6/21
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posted on 17/6/21
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People Variant (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
Gammon Broadcast News : Safe Space for bigots and conspiracy theorists.
Pick a topic (so far it’s either been, anti lockdown, anti wokeness, footballers taking the knee, or Meghan Markle) put on the most reactionary caller you can find, let them rant, say yes, I totally agree with you, and repeat.
Loving the amount of trolling they’re getting though.
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There are lots of black, female, gay and left leaning people on GB news, so behave.
Just because you think people should think like you, haha.
Bad men and women say stuff I cannot take, lol
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No, what they have are BBC, Sky and ITV cast offs, some right wing commentators such as Darren “Hitler Youth” Grimes, and a couple of ex Brexit Party MEP’s.
Like I said, a safe space for racists and anti vaxx loons.
No wonder all the sponsors and advertisers are pulling out already, who the f*ck wants to be associated with Faux News U.K.?
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
Nice to divide kids up at a young age.
Times are a changing, alright.
Not all liberal or progressive, thanks to BLM and CRT race identity fanatics.
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 minute ago
Was Enid Blyton all that good?
Famous Five? Secret Seven?
How many people can name the Famous Five? Can't be that famous if you can't name them.
Secret Seven? Can't be that secret if you know there's seven of them.
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I thought she was great
I then “progressed” to The Three Investigators and The Hardy Boys which were more edgy
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Yep me too!
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
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I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
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You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
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Good, about f*cking time too.
posted on 17/6/21
comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 29 seconds ago
Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
posted on 17/6/21
I remember the name of the dog!
posted on 17/6/21
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I remember the name of the dog!
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Tim meh?
posted on 17/6/21
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Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
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😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
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She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
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Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
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I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
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You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
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Good, about f*cking time too.
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Glad you are about, as posters denied anyone said white people were inherently racist or privileged on this site, but you always said that.
When does a white baby or toddler become racist and privileged, as nursery staff need to plan ahead???
posted on 17/6/21
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posted on 17/6/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 29 seconds ago
Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
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It’s not a choice between Enid Blyton’s worst (of which secret seven or famous five aren’t) or “woke”. There’s a world in between.
posted on 17/6/21
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posted on 17/6/21
comment by Automatic For The People Variant (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 12 seconds ago
I remember the name of the dog!
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Tim meh?
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Aww ffs, the dug was a Celtic fan.
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comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot, damn hamsters! (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Neither am I. I don't necessarily agree with what the English Heritage have done, but I'm not going to rage about it.
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It’s not rewriting history but it is looking at it out of context to the time things occurred
Perhaps in the future folk will look at our Prime minister and wonder why we elected a serial liar and clown shoe
Nowt strange as folk
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
The grey area for me is relevance of it. As far as I know, Blyton wasn't a racist, but used racist tropes which were quite normal then. I may be wrong and she had some kind of agenda, but I doubt it.
That isn't to say that a modern take on things shouldn't occur, but I don't think it should be in a brief description. She is remembered because of her books. Which engaged generations into reading... something that is quite absent today beyond Twitter.
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She’s remembered due to both and it’s not a modern take, it was recognised during her lifetime too. I read her books in the early eighties and even then the racism in them was openly discussed, it was part of the analysis of them. I learned as much from her books about that as I did anything else. Still enjoyed reading them at the time (secret seven in particular) but it would be mad to not acknowledge it.
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You might be right. You are more clued up on it and Blyton than I am. In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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That period, they go hand in hand to a certain extent. She was criticised even during her lifetime for it though, that suggests she went further than just being the latter. There’s also that she embedded it in her writing and characters more than any comparable authors I can think of.
I’ve got three children and they’ve all ready Blyton books at some point in their childhood still though as, like I said for when I read them, if they’re approached the right way then they can have even more value.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not certain kids see the racism in hbd books a bit like C.S. Lewis dressing “god” up as a lion
I read many famous five secret seven in the 60’s read them to my son in the 90’s still have all of them in the loft
As Bob Dylan said
The times they ……
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember lots of golly’s and ginger beers! (And we all know what that’s rhyming slang for)
Bless old Enid, she was a card.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could still buy that jam in parts of Scotland until recently.
Today, kids in America and soon to be London, are being taught they are racist and privileged if white, and oppressed if brown, black, Asian.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good, about f*cking time too.
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Glad you are about, as posters denied anyone said white people were inherently racist or privileged on this site, but you always said that.
When does a white baby or toddler become racist and privileged, as nursery staff need to plan ahead???
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When people like you pass down your prejudices, hateful ideologies and awful religions.
posted on 17/6/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 29 seconds ago
Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
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Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
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It’s not a choice between Enid Blyton’s worst (of which secret seven or famous five aren’t) or “woke”. There’s a world in between.
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Never said otherwise.
People were racist with language and views years ago and we progressed, but white, black, Asian folk still use racist language about each other, just not in books anymore.
And nowadays, the bad guy is more often than not a white man, because that is safer, lol.
I blame Dr Who, tbh
posted on 17/6/21
Fox News was quite amusing on the early days too, until they started pushing sedition, fascist insurrections and coups.
posted on 17/6/21
comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People Variant (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 12 seconds ago
I remember the name of the dog!
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Tim meh?
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Aww ffs, the dug was a Celtic fan.
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Simply put
All Celtic fans are dogs
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Now you're sucking diesel, Big fella
posted on 17/6/21
comment by Just Shoot, damn hamsters! (U10408)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 12 seconds ago
In your discussions was it concluded she was a racist or was a product of the time?
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Are they not the same thing? just because racism was accepted by more people in the past, still doesn't change that it was a racist thing to do/write etc
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I was thinking of more how understanding and intent have changed. A bit like mixed race moving to dual heritage. No offense was meant, but the standard or perception changed.
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There was definitely offence in a lot of her writing.
The one bit that English heritage has put that I don’t agree with is “lacking literary merit”. Whilst an adult view of her books might assess that, they are very very well written for children. They don’t become as popular as they were if they aren’t.
posted on 17/6/21
comment by Automatic For The People Variant (U21889)
posted 3 seconds ago
Fox News was quite amusing on the early days too, until they started pushing sedition, fascist insurrections and coups.
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Were CNN behind the 40 odd murders, riots, lootings, cop killings committed by supporters,of BLM and antifa?
Fox had turned on or fell out of love with trump by Jan 2021, FYI.
posted on 17/6/21
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posted on 17/6/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Zachsda( He’s The Greek Pedro) (U1850)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 29 seconds ago
Secret seven or famous five are less overt examples, I’d agree with that.
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I do remember a bit like five go mad in Dorset etc
The villain often had “dusky” skin
I never thought about it as a kid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think things have remained the same?
Literature, tv, flm, comedy are wokery world now.
And if anything, whitey is usually the bad guy.lol
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not a choice between Enid Blyton’s worst (of which secret seven or famous five aren’t) or “woke”. There’s a world in between.
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Never said otherwise.
People were racist with language and views years ago and we progressed, but white, black, Asian folk still use racist language about each other, just not in books anymore.
And nowadays, the bad guy is more often than not a white man, because that is safer, lol.
I blame Dr Who, tbh
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Of course they still use racist language in books, or in tv or film. Difference nowadays is how it’s used - it’s usually to say something about the character rather than the author using it as a vehicle for their own prejudices.
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