Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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I think you need to check your history son. We were one of the highest fa cup winners for years, not too mention our European trophy in the 80s
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What makes ENIC look so bad was how successful we were in the 90s. Smashing everything , dominating Europe....oh wait
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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It really is. Barely get any joy from supporting Spurs. Once in a blue-moon maybe.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 4 seconds ago
Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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I think you need to check your history son. We were one of the highest fa cup winners for years, not too mention our European trophy in the 80s
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So you've won league titles after the 60/61 one?
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 4 seconds ago
Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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I think you need to check your history son. We were one of the highest fa cup winners for years, not too mention our European trophy in the 80s
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So you've won league titles after the 60/61 one?
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Why you keep banging on about league titles ? The article is clearly about trophies in general, hence the comparison
The rangers owners of the last few years make ENIC look like competent owners.
give us a shout when you’ve won more than the one European trophy
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posted 3 minutes ago
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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Depends mate. Football is not 100% about success. The trials and tribulations, the emotions is what makes it so engaging. Anyone who spends any time watching lower league football doesnt share this "we must win, we want a sugar daddy to buy success" sense of entitlement displayed by so many.
Don's on here slating ENICs tenure and while it is not a era littered with trophies, it was the same before they arrived, in fact a lot worse at times. Spurs havent been a regular trophy winning club for approaching 40 years now, and yet there is this sense of entitlement amongst fans that we should be.
I am involved at my local club and the things they have to do to make ends meet, for the love of the game and the club puts some of these Spurs fans to shame, most of which dont even go to matches and spend their money to support the club.
For so many there's seemingly no love of football, just an expectation that they will be entertained with successful football.
I love the game. Watch my sons play, have been involved in coaching, but no more, watch the local club, get to Spurs when i can, used to be a ST holder before kids and leaving London. Ive supported them for the best part of those 40 pretty unsuccessful years so have seen some highs and many lows. This experience helps puts things into perspective so while times are not great right now, feck me have i seen a lot worse, yes I have, a lot worse!!! If we rise up from there it just makes it more enjoyable, but i aint gonna spit the dummy when the chips are down...that is the very opposite of being a supporter IMO.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
We will be way below the pecking order in the next few seasons. After Nuno is done this season it will be another false dawn next season with another chump manager who will have the rich pickings of pretty much the same squad of rubbish uninterested players only a year older. I think we may as well pack it in and become a total events venue and an NFL franchise. We got nothing else to look forward to but years of misery.
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
We will be way below the pecking order in the next few seasons. After Nuno is done this season it will be another false dawn next season with another chump manager who will have the rich pickings of pretty much the same squad of rubbish uninterested players only a year older. I think we may as well pack it in and become a total events venue and an NFL franchise. We got nothing else to look forward to but years of misery.
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We are pretty much ENIC and levy’s play thing anyway mate. Wouldn’t be bothered so much if they actually ploughed the money properly onto the football field. All these NHL deals, Joshua fights have literally done nothing. Like I said, they are glorified property developers
All the profit from the boxing and concerts are put into the football club.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
One of our biggest issues is turning noses up at certain trophies. We nearly always sack off the Europa League and I fear we will do the same with this current euro trophy.
I am Levy out as per my name, but he is not to blame if we lose to anyone bar Roma in Europe as were miles better and have far greater resources. Sevilla have no chance with La Liga or CL, but did with the Europa and ended up winning it 6 times in 20 years. Let’s make a proper go of Europe and hopefully we will have trophy to cheer in May
Just a nitpick, but City have 28 trophies, not 27
comment by Striketeam7 - Levy out (U18109)
posted 16 seconds ago
One of our biggest issues is turning noses up at certain trophies. We nearly always sack off the Europa League and I fear we will do the same with this current euro trophy.
I am Levy out as per my name, but he is not to blame if we lose to anyone bar Roma in Europe as were miles better and have far greater resources. Sevilla have no chance with La Liga or CL, but did with the Europa and ended up winning it 6 times in 20 years. Let’s make a proper go of Europe and hopefully we will have trophy to cheer in May
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One of the things that has handicapped us over our time in Europe has been the squad. You get to the sharp end of the season and often its knackered/depleted etc.
Some of this is down to the managers. Redknapp played the same XI until they dropped dead and then the backup were not match ready or motivated and therefore often ineffectual. He mismanaged a very big and strong squad.
Poch wanted a small compact squad but it made it so hard to compete on more than 1 front and he often prioritised league over all else.
But squad depth has been an issue through most of this 15 years or so and that's down to a lack of investment. I'd say that's improving now, the bench is better than it used to be but clearly not a patch on the likes of City & Chelsea.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
It’s become clear now more than ever that money is what brings success and we either don’t have enough to compete or we have owners that aren’t willing to plough more in. Now the Newcastle takeover has made that even harder.
In five years or less, 3 of the 4 CL places in the premier league will be taken up by the doped clubs, meaning clubs like Spurs will have little chance of ever getting into the competition again. That will have a huge impact on our revenue streams and our ability to lure good players. If we’re not winning trophies now, it’s gonna be lot worse in future.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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Couldn’t agree more and they also got extremely lucky with Pochettino, who created miracles on a very limited budget. If they actually spent time building up our squad properly like all the other big clubs do, we would have probably won trophies under poch. He was completely handicapped under their leadership
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comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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Couldn’t agree more and they also got extremely lucky with Pochettino, who created miracles on a very limited budget. If they actually spent time building up our squad properly like all the other big clubs do, we would have probably won trophies under poch. He was completely handicapped under their leadership
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What I don’t understand is that clubs like Ateltico Madrid and Dortmund are similar sized to us and still manage to run like effective football club’s and actually win the trophies that count - i.e, league titles.
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comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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On the flip side of things you could say they've developed a sustainable organisation that have built arguably the best stadium in the PL currently with up-to-date, modern facilities and the infrastructure that is required to build a successful football team in the future.
Not ideal for Nuno now, but let's be honest, unless proven otherwise, Nuno isn't the type of manager you would go for if you wanted to be a top, successful team. That's not a disrespect to him, that's just the truth. None of the other names were the same, he's a manager that has been appointed for a transitional period with the club.
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It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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It really is. Barely get any joy from supporting Spurs. Once in a blue-moon maybe.
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posted on 11/10/21
Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 4 seconds ago
Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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I think you need to check your history son. We were one of the highest fa cup winners for years, not too mention our European trophy in the 80s
posted on 11/10/21
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posted on 11/10/21
What makes ENIC look so bad was how successful we were in the 90s. Smashing everything , dominating Europe....oh wait
posted on 11/10/21
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 23 seconds ago
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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It really is. Barely get any joy from supporting Spurs. Once in a blue-moon maybe.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 4 seconds ago
Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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I think you need to check your history son. We were one of the highest fa cup winners for years, not too mention our European trophy in the 80s
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So you've won league titles after the 60/61 one?
posted on 11/10/21
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 4 seconds ago
Isn't it 2 league titles with the most recent being over 60 years ago?
Spurs are exactly where they basically always have been.
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I think you need to check your history son. We were one of the highest fa cup winners for years, not too mention our European trophy in the 80s
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So you've won league titles after the 60/61 one?
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Why you keep banging on about league titles ? The article is clearly about trophies in general, hence the comparison
posted on 11/10/21
The rangers owners of the last few years make ENIC look like competent owners.
give us a shout when you’ve won more than the one European trophy
posted on 11/10/21
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 3 minutes ago
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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Depends mate. Football is not 100% about success. The trials and tribulations, the emotions is what makes it so engaging. Anyone who spends any time watching lower league football doesnt share this "we must win, we want a sugar daddy to buy success" sense of entitlement displayed by so many.
Don's on here slating ENICs tenure and while it is not a era littered with trophies, it was the same before they arrived, in fact a lot worse at times. Spurs havent been a regular trophy winning club for approaching 40 years now, and yet there is this sense of entitlement amongst fans that we should be.
I am involved at my local club and the things they have to do to make ends meet, for the love of the game and the club puts some of these Spurs fans to shame, most of which dont even go to matches and spend their money to support the club.
For so many there's seemingly no love of football, just an expectation that they will be entertained with successful football.
I love the game. Watch my sons play, have been involved in coaching, but no more, watch the local club, get to Spurs when i can, used to be a ST holder before kids and leaving London. Ive supported them for the best part of those 40 pretty unsuccessful years so have seen some highs and many lows. This experience helps puts things into perspective so while times are not great right now, feck me have i seen a lot worse, yes I have, a lot worse!!! If we rise up from there it just makes it more enjoyable, but i aint gonna spit the dummy when the chips are down...that is the very opposite of being a supporter IMO.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
posted on 11/10/21
We will be way below the pecking order in the next few seasons. After Nuno is done this season it will be another false dawn next season with another chump manager who will have the rich pickings of pretty much the same squad of rubbish uninterested players only a year older. I think we may as well pack it in and become a total events venue and an NFL franchise. We got nothing else to look forward to but years of misery.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
We will be way below the pecking order in the next few seasons. After Nuno is done this season it will be another false dawn next season with another chump manager who will have the rich pickings of pretty much the same squad of rubbish uninterested players only a year older. I think we may as well pack it in and become a total events venue and an NFL franchise. We got nothing else to look forward to but years of misery.
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We are pretty much ENIC and levy’s play thing anyway mate. Wouldn’t be bothered so much if they actually ploughed the money properly onto the football field. All these NHL deals, Joshua fights have literally done nothing. Like I said, they are glorified property developers
posted on 11/10/21
All the profit from the boxing and concerts are put into the football club.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
posted on 11/10/21
One of our biggest issues is turning noses up at certain trophies. We nearly always sack off the Europa League and I fear we will do the same with this current euro trophy.
I am Levy out as per my name, but he is not to blame if we lose to anyone bar Roma in Europe as were miles better and have far greater resources. Sevilla have no chance with La Liga or CL, but did with the Europa and ended up winning it 6 times in 20 years. Let’s make a proper go of Europe and hopefully we will have trophy to cheer in May
posted on 11/10/21
Just a nitpick, but City have 28 trophies, not 27
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Striketeam7 - Levy out (U18109)
posted 16 seconds ago
One of our biggest issues is turning noses up at certain trophies. We nearly always sack off the Europa League and I fear we will do the same with this current euro trophy.
I am Levy out as per my name, but he is not to blame if we lose to anyone bar Roma in Europe as were miles better and have far greater resources. Sevilla have no chance with La Liga or CL, but did with the Europa and ended up winning it 6 times in 20 years. Let’s make a proper go of Europe and hopefully we will have trophy to cheer in May
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One of the things that has handicapped us over our time in Europe has been the squad. You get to the sharp end of the season and often its knackered/depleted etc.
Some of this is down to the managers. Redknapp played the same XI until they dropped dead and then the backup were not match ready or motivated and therefore often ineffectual. He mismanaged a very big and strong squad.
Poch wanted a small compact squad but it made it so hard to compete on more than 1 front and he often prioritised league over all else.
But squad depth has been an issue through most of this 15 years or so and that's down to a lack of investment. I'd say that's improving now, the bench is better than it used to be but clearly not a patch on the likes of City & Chelsea.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
posted on 11/10/21
It’s become clear now more than ever that money is what brings success and we either don’t have enough to compete or we have owners that aren’t willing to plough more in. Now the Newcastle takeover has made that even harder.
In five years or less, 3 of the 4 CL places in the premier league will be taken up by the doped clubs, meaning clubs like Spurs will have little chance of ever getting into the competition again. That will have a huge impact on our revenue streams and our ability to lure good players. If we’re not winning trophies now, it’s gonna be lot worse in future.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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Couldn’t agree more and they also got extremely lucky with Pochettino, who created miracles on a very limited budget. If they actually spent time building up our squad properly like all the other big clubs do, we would have probably won trophies under poch. He was completely handicapped under their leadership
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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Couldn’t agree more and they also got extremely lucky with Pochettino, who created miracles on a very limited budget. If they actually spent time building up our squad properly like all the other big clubs do, we would have probably won trophies under poch. He was completely handicapped under their leadership
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What I don’t understand is that clubs like Ateltico Madrid and Dortmund are similar sized to us and still manage to run like effective football club’s and actually win the trophies that count - i.e, league titles.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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On the flip side of things you could say they've developed a sustainable organisation that have built arguably the best stadium in the PL currently with up-to-date, modern facilities and the infrastructure that is required to build a successful football team in the future.
Not ideal for Nuno now, but let's be honest, unless proven otherwise, Nuno isn't the type of manager you would go for if you wanted to be a top, successful team. That's not a disrespect to him, that's just the truth. None of the other names were the same, he's a manager that has been appointed for a transitional period with the club.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 23 seconds ago
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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It really is. Barely get any joy from supporting Spurs. Once in a blue-moon maybe.
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There's not supposed to be joy from supporting ones team.
Is there?
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