comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir * (U13373)
posted 3 minutes ago
It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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Depends mate. Football is not 100% about success. The trials and tribulations, the emotions is what makes it so engaging. Anyone who spends any time watching lower league football doesnt share this "we must win, we want a sugar daddy to buy success" sense of entitlement displayed by so many.
Don's on here slating ENICs tenure and while it is not a era littered with trophies, it was the same before they arrived, in fact a lot worse at times. Spurs havent been a regular trophy winning club for approaching 40 years now, and yet there is this sense of entitlement amongst fans that we should be.
I am involved at my local club and the things they have to do to make ends meet, for the love of the game and the club puts some of these Spurs fans to shame, most of which dont even go to matches and spend their money to support the club.
For so many there's seemingly no love of football, just an expectation that they will be entertained with successful football.
I love the game. Watch my sons play, have been involved in coaching, but no more, watch the local club, get to Spurs when i can, used to be a ST holder before kids and leaving London. Ive supported them for the best part of those 40 pretty unsuccessful years so have seen some highs and many lows. This experience helps puts things into perspective so while times are not great right now, feck me have i seen a lot worse, yes I have, a lot worse!!! If we rise up from there it just makes it more enjoyable, but i aint gonna spit the dummy when the chips are down...that is the very opposite of being a supporter IMO.
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This all makes sense but it's still shocking how instead of signing quality players we continually waste the same amount on multiple sub par players. The club has not used its resources as effective as it should.
I'm hoping Levy now admits his failings and lets Paratici get on with it. We've started well this Summer given the time available. I expect January to further enhance our squad and hopefully give us impetus to Win the league Cup and/or UECL
Looks like Levy or Paratici are trying to tie up a deal with Standard Leige to form some part of partnership. Could be a way to funnel South American and African players to the club to cut out all the red tape.
Back to the article. Yes we all knowo we have won FA under Levy and before him. Nothing new there.
The stadium is packed again and revenues should increase to strengthen the team in the future. Have to trust Don Paratici to make the right signings to give Nuno the best team possible.
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 30 seconds ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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It’s always the same old rubbish Billy. Remember where we were in the 90s excuse. Every single time. Spurs were a big ambitious club with trophies way before the 90s. We had a rubbish era during the 90s, then obviously a better era with Redknapp and Pochettino, but still literally nothing to show for it
You really can’t compare eras. This is a completely different beast to pre-prem times. The domestic cups pale in comparison to the CL places now. That’s where the money is so that’s where the progress is. They might not be trophies but they are the modern day equivalent. It’s not right but that’s the way it is.
I also don’t buy into the notion that stadium revenue will see us be successful again. No it won’t. All the time FFP is as tame as it is, it won’t matter. We’ll never get close to the kind of money the other big boys can pay, that now includes Newcastle. It’s crazy to think that it will.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago
To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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Couldn’t agree more and they also got extremely lucky with Pochettino, who created miracles on a very limited budget. If they actually spent time building up our squad properly like all the other big clubs do, we would have probably won trophies under poch. He was completely handicapped under their leadership
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Mildly surprised that you’d agree with me given you thought I was Sandy 😂
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
I should add when Spurs made an English Premier League record £113m profit in 2019 after moving back home, we brought Ndombele for a record £60m as well as GLC, Clarke and Sess. Kind of backs up Levy claim that profits will be invested back into the club.
We have one more NFL match this year outside of football and there are three events already lined up next year which do not include NFL.
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
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Well they have invested in Paratici so you could say the scouting issue box has been ticked. Out of the three signings Paratici has made you could argue Romero is premium. The other two Royal and Gil are good prospects. Really keen to see what happens in January.
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should add when Spurs made an English Premier League record £113m profit in 2019 after moving back home, we brought Ndombele for a record £60m as well as GLC, Clarke and Sess. Kind of backs up Levy claim that profits will be invested back into the club.
We have one more NFL match this year outside of football and there are three events already lined up next year which do not include NFL.
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Do people in England really watch that boring crap 💩.
Watching the hi lights is all I can take, so much standing around and adverts that I always end up changing the channel.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
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Well they have invested in Paratici so you could say the scouting issue box has been ticked. Out of the three signings Paratici has made you could argue Romero is premium. The other two Royal and Gil are good prospects. Really keen to see what happens in January.
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I think it’s too early to tell obviously I just don’t trust these owners. As for the summer signings I think we would have signed these guys anyway or been in the market for them as is even without the new stadium.
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
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I think people need to examine our financial figures.
Since the stadium opened revenues and spending have gone up significantly.
In true Spursy fashion, a global pandemic hits just as the new WHL gets going so we've had 1 and a bit seasons of full revenue, and now we are seeing NFL and boxing and music gigs and rugby all coming in, all earning money.
People have to allow these factors to filter through - 10s of millions will be coming in and should flow into the club. If these revenues are being syphoned off then yes, ENIC need taking to task but right now the facts of the matter are clear. Transfer spending is much higher since the new WHL.
I will gladly criticise decision-making of the club which, over the last couple years, has been the main factor setting us back to where we are now. But too many people make baseless statements about "trousering profits" "being a entertainment company" etc when there is nothing to back this up. The wider use of the stadium is there to generate money for the club and the same people who criticise our perceived
lack of investment are the ones criticising the other uses of WHL.....It makes no sense. It is an approach that should be lauded. The same approach taken to the training facilities - used by England, other internationals, NFL , other sports. All generating money.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should add when Spurs made an English Premier League record £113m profit in 2019 after moving back home, we brought Ndombele for a record £60m as well as GLC, Clarke and Sess. Kind of backs up Levy claim that profits will be invested back into the club.
We have one more NFL match this year outside of football and there are three events already lined up next year which do not include NFL.
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Do people in England really watch that boring crap 💩.
Watching the hi lights is all I can take, so much standing around and adverts that I always end up changing the channel.
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clearer a lot of people do.
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comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
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Not sure we even have a “best” players anymore apart from Son and Kane. Every player we have is sellable and easily replaceable. Don’t think we would truly miss any of them, apart from the obvious Son and Kane. 2 guys that have carried this side now for 3/4 years. An absolute joke.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
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No - I’m instead saying that this perception of ENIC as brilliant wheeler dealers in the transfer market isn’t quite true, and that if we are to believe that the ethos and business model of the current owners is to buy low and sell high then they aren’t particularly good at it.
Also sometimes you need to know when to sell your players even if it is at their peak or in the best case scenario when their peak has just passed but they still hold value in the market, there’s nothing wrong with that and lots of reasonably successful clubs do it, but we don’t seem to be particularly good at that anymore.
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
We will be way below the pecking order in the next few seasons. After Nuno is done this season it will be another false dawn next season with another chump manager who will have the rich pickings of pretty much the same squad of rubbish uninterested players only a year older. I think we may as well pack it in and become a total events venue and an NFL franchise. We got nothing else to look forward to but years of misery.
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We are pretty much ENIC and levy’s play thing anyway mate. Wouldn’t be bothered so much if they actually ploughed the money properly onto the football field. All these NHL deals, Joshua fights have literally done nothing. Like I said, they are glorified property developers
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no we arent. we are run as a business which diversifies the ENIC portfolio. literally the opposite of a plaything
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
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Boring - possibly and I know this poster is often tagged as being overly despondent or negative, but at the end of day this sense of frustration and disillusionment is growing and the despondency is a natural symptom of the fact that we really were on the cusp of something quite amazing just two years back and look at where we are now, back to the same old Spurs, and lots of people are feeling it.
For me personally I get even more annoyed by the whole thing when I look at Liverpool. Both of us were around the same level about four or five years ago, in fact I’d say we were higher. Both had amazing managers who had the potential to bring real glory to the club. Liverpool invested in Klopp, Spurs didn’t do the same with Poch and look where we are now. And I know all the arguments about the stadium and money being tied up there and all of that but things like missing out on Jack Grealish because of haggling over a couple of million or bringing in Jack Clark just to pad out the summer signings after two transfer windows of bringing no one in, is still inexcusable.
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 17 minutes ago
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
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Asking price ? Levy the buffoon is putting silly prices on the club like 3 billion. Who in the hell is going to pay that ? Looks like we are stuck with them for life, which means 0 trophies and 0 ambition for the next 40 years. Oh well, we got a few NFL games in our new stadium coming up 🤦♂️
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BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
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No - I’m instead saying that this perception of ENIC as brilliant wheeler dealers in the transfer market isn’t quite true, and that if we are to believe that the ethos and business model of the current owners is to buy low and sell high then they aren’t particularly good at it.
Also sometimes you need to know when to sell your players even if it is at their peak or in the best case scenario when their peak has just passed but they still hold value in the market, there’s nothing wrong with that and lots of reasonably successful clubs do it, but we don’t seem to be particularly good at that anymore.
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I think this view is a bit out of date.
It is certainly an approach that we took when we were building our selves up through the Jol era etc,
I am not sure buying the likes of NDombele (54m) Romero (47m) Sanchez (45m) GLC (40m) falls in to the buy em cheap sell them high.
I think what we have always been about, and this does not seem to have changed, is buying a 21-23 year old NDombele or Romero or Sanchez or Regillon rather than buying a 28 year old Varane or 29 Vestergaard or Willian, 31.
With the likes of Aldi & Vertongen the pair were bought for a total 22m and between them stayed for 14 years, leaving in the 30s. This is very normal behaviour for any club and even more so when you towards the top end of the league when players tend to either step down a level or retire as their next move
To me the perception is that we are a tightly run ship , not wheeler dealers
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Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
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Asking price ? Levy the buffoon is putting silly prices on the club like 3 billion. Who in the hell is going to pay that ? Looks like we are stuck with them for life, which means 0 trophies and 0 ambition for the next 40 years. Oh well, we got a few NFL games in our new stadium coming up 🤦♂️
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3 billion sounds about right. 1 mill for stadium, net book value of the playing squad is probably 6 or 7 hundred mill. training ground? another few hundred mill I reckon. then you have all the IP and brand value, which now we have the NFL at the stadium is probably absolutely huge. basically ENIC have done such a good job raising the profile and value of the club that they have probably priced themselves out of a market value sale.
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posted on 11/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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It must be tough being a spurs fan, almost like torture.
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Depends mate. Football is not 100% about success. The trials and tribulations, the emotions is what makes it so engaging. Anyone who spends any time watching lower league football doesnt share this "we must win, we want a sugar daddy to buy success" sense of entitlement displayed by so many.
Don's on here slating ENICs tenure and while it is not a era littered with trophies, it was the same before they arrived, in fact a lot worse at times. Spurs havent been a regular trophy winning club for approaching 40 years now, and yet there is this sense of entitlement amongst fans that we should be.
I am involved at my local club and the things they have to do to make ends meet, for the love of the game and the club puts some of these Spurs fans to shame, most of which dont even go to matches and spend their money to support the club.
For so many there's seemingly no love of football, just an expectation that they will be entertained with successful football.
I love the game. Watch my sons play, have been involved in coaching, but no more, watch the local club, get to Spurs when i can, used to be a ST holder before kids and leaving London. Ive supported them for the best part of those 40 pretty unsuccessful years so have seen some highs and many lows. This experience helps puts things into perspective so while times are not great right now, feck me have i seen a lot worse, yes I have, a lot worse!!! If we rise up from there it just makes it more enjoyable, but i aint gonna spit the dummy when the chips are down...that is the very opposite of being a supporter IMO.
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This all makes sense but it's still shocking how instead of signing quality players we continually waste the same amount on multiple sub par players. The club has not used its resources as effective as it should.
I'm hoping Levy now admits his failings and lets Paratici get on with it. We've started well this Summer given the time available. I expect January to further enhance our squad and hopefully give us impetus to Win the league Cup and/or UECL
posted on 11/10/21
Looks like Levy or Paratici are trying to tie up a deal with Standard Leige to form some part of partnership. Could be a way to funnel South American and African players to the club to cut out all the red tape.
Back to the article. Yes we all knowo we have won FA under Levy and before him. Nothing new there.
The stadium is packed again and revenues should increase to strengthen the team in the future. Have to trust Don Paratici to make the right signings to give Nuno the best team possible.
posted on 11/10/21
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 30 seconds ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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It’s always the same old rubbish Billy. Remember where we were in the 90s excuse. Every single time. Spurs were a big ambitious club with trophies way before the 90s. We had a rubbish era during the 90s, then obviously a better era with Redknapp and Pochettino, but still literally nothing to show for it
posted on 11/10/21
You really can’t compare eras. This is a completely different beast to pre-prem times. The domestic cups pale in comparison to the CL places now. That’s where the money is so that’s where the progress is. They might not be trophies but they are the modern day equivalent. It’s not right but that’s the way it is.
I also don’t buy into the notion that stadium revenue will see us be successful again. No it won’t. All the time FFP is as tame as it is, it won’t matter. We’ll never get close to the kind of money the other big boys can pay, that now includes Newcastle. It’s crazy to think that it will.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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To be fair, United, Liverpool and Arsenal were already racking up the trophies over us long before ENIC turned up and the other two are financially doped. It’s an awful dry spell in our history, sure, but context is important. Our dry spell has run parallel with increased Premier League revenue. We were terrible at the point the PL began so we’ve always been playing catch up financially.
I’m not absolving ENIC of blame but we’ve been in many finals since they came on board. It’s not their fault we’ve lost all but one of them.
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We’ve been in four cup finals - three league cup finals and one CL. It’s alright. I wouldn’t say it’s a lot. In any case I don’t think trophies are the measure of a club’s success in the way they used to be in the past. Both the league cup and FA Cup have been so deincitivised most teams even championship ones play their second strings at least until it starts getting serious. I personally don’t take them seriously as competitions anymore. That’s not to absolve ENIC though as their ownership has been for the most part shambolic when it comes to the football side of things.
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ENIC have taken us from a club that averaged 10/11th in the EPL and never in the top 6 or bottom 5, (so the very definition of mediocre) and since then we have steadily risen to average just outside the top 4 in the last 12 years. I am not pretending its all been wonderful (show me a club where it is) and there is a lot where we can do a lot better, but get some perspective.
We've made massive strides off the pitch too
You then say its not just about trophies and list the number of finals which isnt too bad as you say.
So how do these facts stand against statements like "their ownership has been for the most part shambolic".
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Outside of the Poch years and Redknapp years I do strongly believe their ownership has been shambolic. They’ve stripped the club of any identity. Since they’ve been in charge we’ve experimented with the director of football model like four times, it’s never really worked out, we tried the Mitchell experiment and we’ve gone with given managers the power. There is no system, no model, no identity no nothing. Yes we’ve improved our average league position and that could be counted as a success but you have to remember the 90’s were a particularly grim time for us. On the football side of things they get far more wrong than they get right and almost always to the detriment of our growth as a football team.
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Couldn’t agree more and they also got extremely lucky with Pochettino, who created miracles on a very limited budget. If they actually spent time building up our squad properly like all the other big clubs do, we would have probably won trophies under poch. He was completely handicapped under their leadership
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Mildly surprised that you’d agree with me given you thought I was Sandy 😂
posted on 11/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
posted on 11/10/21
I should add when Spurs made an English Premier League record £113m profit in 2019 after moving back home, we brought Ndombele for a record £60m as well as GLC, Clarke and Sess. Kind of backs up Levy claim that profits will be invested back into the club.
We have one more NFL match this year outside of football and there are three events already lined up next year which do not include NFL.
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comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
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Well they have invested in Paratici so you could say the scouting issue box has been ticked. Out of the three signings Paratici has made you could argue Romero is premium. The other two Royal and Gil are good prospects. Really keen to see what happens in January.
posted on 11/10/21
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should add when Spurs made an English Premier League record £113m profit in 2019 after moving back home, we brought Ndombele for a record £60m as well as GLC, Clarke and Sess. Kind of backs up Levy claim that profits will be invested back into the club.
We have one more NFL match this year outside of football and there are three events already lined up next year which do not include NFL.
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Do people in England really watch that boring crap 💩.
Watching the hi lights is all I can take, so much standing around and adverts that I always end up changing the channel.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
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Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
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Well they have invested in Paratici so you could say the scouting issue box has been ticked. Out of the three signings Paratici has made you could argue Romero is premium. The other two Royal and Gil are good prospects. Really keen to see what happens in January.
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I think it’s too early to tell obviously I just don’t trust these owners. As for the summer signings I think we would have signed these guys anyway or been in the market for them as is even without the new stadium.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
Totally agree Don, we are owned by property developers and are now just part of their entertainment portfolio, of which the football is a bit part.
This ownership has been nothing short of an embarrassment, only Sugar can be considered worse. We were always one of Europe's biggest clubs, long before Sugar and ENIC arrived.
ENIC are maximising their investment using the clubs own money no question, but that has not put silverware on table, and will continue not to.
I see our resident Levyista Devonshire, has compared ENICs reign to Sugars, to try and justify the misery of their tenure. He should have been comparing us to pre Sugar, when we were a club that won and competed for trophies, signed top players and actually had ambition to be a winning club rather than just a money making enterprise.
ENIC, Lewis and Levy OUT!
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Pre Sugar, we were owned by Iriving Scholar who pretty much bankrupted us and we never challenged in the league and were considered as a cup team.
Sugar actually saved us from going bankrupt. Together with Venables they put their own money in the save the club. The rest is history.
Scholar actually predicted the first year of the Sugar Venables era would be a honeymoon and the second year would end in divorce. He was right.
It's quite interesting to read the role Sugar played in getting Sky involved in football and trumping ITV's bid to take over the TV rights. Because he had a relationship with Sky he abstained from the voting of the deal. In the end the clubs said he should vote and Sky won by one vote.
Scholar himself was the man who noticed how much commercial value football TV rights were worth and was a visionary. Clubs were being underpaid for TV rights for years until Scholar turned up at Tottenham and sort change.
You could say Levy is a visionary too for the way he transformed our stadium into a cash machine. Seeing how he sees himself as a custodian for the club I hope the money the stadium generates goes back into the football just as Levy has promised.
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Sometimes I feel the whole stadium revenue thing is a way to pull the wool over the eyes of the fans again. When ENIC start actually start investing the increased revenue in a better scouting system, or in buying actual premium players, I’ll start to believe it.
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I think people need to examine our financial figures.
Since the stadium opened revenues and spending have gone up significantly.
In true Spursy fashion, a global pandemic hits just as the new WHL gets going so we've had 1 and a bit seasons of full revenue, and now we are seeing NFL and boxing and music gigs and rugby all coming in, all earning money.
People have to allow these factors to filter through - 10s of millions will be coming in and should flow into the club. If these revenues are being syphoned off then yes, ENIC need taking to task but right now the facts of the matter are clear. Transfer spending is much higher since the new WHL.
I will gladly criticise decision-making of the club which, over the last couple years, has been the main factor setting us back to where we are now. But too many people make baseless statements about "trousering profits" "being a entertainment company" etc when there is nothing to back this up. The wider use of the stadium is there to generate money for the club and the same people who criticise our perceived
lack of investment are the ones criticising the other uses of WHL.....It makes no sense. It is an approach that should be lauded. The same approach taken to the training facilities - used by England, other internationals, NFL , other sports. All generating money.
posted on 11/10/21
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should add when Spurs made an English Premier League record £113m profit in 2019 after moving back home, we brought Ndombele for a record £60m as well as GLC, Clarke and Sess. Kind of backs up Levy claim that profits will be invested back into the club.
We have one more NFL match this year outside of football and there are three events already lined up next year which do not include NFL.
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Do people in England really watch that boring crap 💩.
Watching the hi lights is all I can take, so much standing around and adverts that I always end up changing the channel.
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clearer a lot of people do.
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posted on 11/10/21
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
posted on 11/10/21
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posted 52 seconds ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
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Not sure we even have a “best” players anymore apart from Son and Kane. Every player we have is sellable and easily replaceable. Don’t think we would truly miss any of them, apart from the obvious Son and Kane. 2 guys that have carried this side now for 3/4 years. An absolute joke.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
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No - I’m instead saying that this perception of ENIC as brilliant wheeler dealers in the transfer market isn’t quite true, and that if we are to believe that the ethos and business model of the current owners is to buy low and sell high then they aren’t particularly good at it.
Also sometimes you need to know when to sell your players even if it is at their peak or in the best case scenario when their peak has just passed but they still hold value in the market, there’s nothing wrong with that and lots of reasonably successful clubs do it, but we don’t seem to be particularly good at that anymore.
posted on 11/10/21
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by JimmyGreaves (U21183)
posted 4 minutes ago
We will be way below the pecking order in the next few seasons. After Nuno is done this season it will be another false dawn next season with another chump manager who will have the rich pickings of pretty much the same squad of rubbish uninterested players only a year older. I think we may as well pack it in and become a total events venue and an NFL franchise. We got nothing else to look forward to but years of misery.
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We are pretty much ENIC and levy’s play thing anyway mate. Wouldn’t be bothered so much if they actually ploughed the money properly onto the football field. All these NHL deals, Joshua fights have literally done nothing. Like I said, they are glorified property developers
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no we arent. we are run as a business which diversifies the ENIC portfolio. literally the opposite of a plaything
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
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Boring - possibly and I know this poster is often tagged as being overly despondent or negative, but at the end of day this sense of frustration and disillusionment is growing and the despondency is a natural symptom of the fact that we really were on the cusp of something quite amazing just two years back and look at where we are now, back to the same old Spurs, and lots of people are feeling it.
For me personally I get even more annoyed by the whole thing when I look at Liverpool. Both of us were around the same level about four or five years ago, in fact I’d say we were higher. Both had amazing managers who had the potential to bring real glory to the club. Liverpool invested in Klopp, Spurs didn’t do the same with Poch and look where we are now. And I know all the arguments about the stadium and money being tied up there and all of that but things like missing out on Jack Grealish because of haggling over a couple of million or bringing in Jack Clark just to pad out the summer signings after two transfer windows of bringing no one in, is still inexcusable.
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 17 minutes ago
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
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Asking price ? Levy the buffoon is putting silly prices on the club like 3 billion. Who in the hell is going to pay that ? Looks like we are stuck with them for life, which means 0 trophies and 0 ambition for the next 40 years. Oh well, we got a few NFL games in our new stadium coming up 🤦♂️
posted on 11/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
BTW I am not pro or against Levy, as I am old enough to realise bleeting about how much of a good or bad job they have done will just fall on deaf ears.
They will only sell on their terms. Levy's whole mantra is based is on buy low and sell high. No way Tottenham is ever going to be sold on the cheap like Newcastle in the near future.
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True but honestly when was the last time we ever sold high? Probably Walker. Since then we’ve lost Rose on a free, Vertonghen on a free, Alderweirald for a nominal fee, we actually paid Aurier to leave the club, and will likely lose Dier and Alli for a lot less than what their market value once was.
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are you endorsing that we should be selling our best players at their peak when they are worth the most?
Seems like a weird argument
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No - I’m instead saying that this perception of ENIC as brilliant wheeler dealers in the transfer market isn’t quite true, and that if we are to believe that the ethos and business model of the current owners is to buy low and sell high then they aren’t particularly good at it.
Also sometimes you need to know when to sell your players even if it is at their peak or in the best case scenario when their peak has just passed but they still hold value in the market, there’s nothing wrong with that and lots of reasonably successful clubs do it, but we don’t seem to be particularly good at that anymore.
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I think this view is a bit out of date.
It is certainly an approach that we took when we were building our selves up through the Jol era etc,
I am not sure buying the likes of NDombele (54m) Romero (47m) Sanchez (45m) GLC (40m) falls in to the buy em cheap sell them high.
I think what we have always been about, and this does not seem to have changed, is buying a 21-23 year old NDombele or Romero or Sanchez or Regillon rather than buying a 28 year old Varane or 29 Vestergaard or Willian, 31.
With the likes of Aldi & Vertongen the pair were bought for a total 22m and between them stayed for 14 years, leaving in the 30s. This is very normal behaviour for any club and even more so when you towards the top end of the league when players tend to either step down a level or retire as their next move
To me the perception is that we are a tightly run ship , not wheeler dealers
posted on 11/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 17 minutes ago
Don the levy / ENIC out stuff is so boring and pointless now. If someone offers the asking price then they will sell, if no one does, they wont. none of us can buy spurs, and probably very few people in the world can, so its all just a bit pointless really.
money generated seems to be reinvested in the club, so our best hope is that we continue to increase our revenue so that we can spend more. we have broken our transfer record pretty consistently over the last 4 or 5 years.
in any case, our scouting generaly leaves a lot to be desired. for the transfer fees we have spent over the ENIC time frame, the return on the pitch from most of those signings has been very poor.
130m on sessegnon GLC and ndombele a prime example.
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Asking price ? Levy the buffoon is putting silly prices on the club like 3 billion. Who in the hell is going to pay that ? Looks like we are stuck with them for life, which means 0 trophies and 0 ambition for the next 40 years. Oh well, we got a few NFL games in our new stadium coming up 🤦♂️
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3 billion sounds about right. 1 mill for stadium, net book value of the playing squad is probably 6 or 7 hundred mill. training ground? another few hundred mill I reckon. then you have all the IP and brand value, which now we have the NFL at the stadium is probably absolutely huge. basically ENIC have done such a good job raising the profile and value of the club that they have probably priced themselves out of a market value sale.
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