"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
that said, it is disappointing that Joe Lewis hasnt injected his own cash into the club. He is so filthy rich that it wouldnt even be on the radar... but its a business, and he became filthy rich by not doing things like that.
as a fan its a shame, but I understand it. the ENIC out brigade want someone to come in and operate spurs as a toy, throwing money at it.... the problem with that is it can go two ways. people sometimes get bored of toys, and as we have seen with other ownerships, their are a lot of bad situations out there. at least with ENIC we know they operate it as a business and wont gamble the club.
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I certainly don't want it to be run like some rich person's toy where they throw money around all the time. Just need to show more ambition than we currently do and better recruitment. Things like getting another striker when we only have Kane is something a club like Brentford would be doing never mind a Man City.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
that said, it is disappointing that Joe Lewis hasnt injected his own cash into the club. He is so filthy rich that it wouldnt even be on the radar... but its a business, and he became filthy rich by not doing things like that.
as a fan its a shame, but I understand it. the ENIC out brigade want someone to come in and operate spurs as a toy, throwing money at it.... the problem with that is it can go two ways. people sometimes get bored of toys, and as we have seen with other ownerships, their are a lot of bad situations out there. at least with ENIC we know they operate it as a business and wont gamble the club.
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I certainly don't want it to be run like some rich person's toy where they throw money around all the time. Just need to show more ambition than we currently do and better recruitment. Things like getting another striker when we only have Kane is something a club like Brentford would be doing never mind a Man City.
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Exactly and people wonder why I and others get so frustrated ? We needed a back up striker and once again the club failed to deliver. There is no excuse for this. Time and time again they get it wrong and I’m just fed up. I know for a fact we are achieving nothing this season because our team is not strong enough. 1 bad injury to either Son or Kane, it’s game over. We are not getting through a season with one of these injured long term. That is down to the chairmen and the board for not providing a better squad.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 30 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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Don’t know why you keep excepting. You expect 2 signings in Jan? God, you are naive mate. How long have you supported this club for ? The likelihood of Levy signing 2 players we badly need is near enough impossible. He might sign 1 striker if a cheap freebie becomes available, but if you honestly think Levy is going out too strengthen us in Jan, you are going to be incredibly disappointed
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
that said, it is disappointing that Joe Lewis hasnt injected his own cash into the club. He is so filthy rich that it wouldnt even be on the radar... but its a business, and he became filthy rich by not doing things like that.
as a fan its a shame, but I understand it. the ENIC out brigade want someone to come in and operate spurs as a toy, throwing money at it.... the problem with that is it can go two ways. people sometimes get bored of toys, and as we have seen with other ownerships, their are a lot of bad situations out there. at least with ENIC we know they operate it as a business and wont gamble the club.
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I certainly don't want it to be run like some rich person's toy where they throw money around all the time. Just need to show more ambition than we currently do and better recruitment. Things like getting another striker when we only have Kane is something a club like Brentford would be doing never mind a Man City.
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Exactly and people wonder why I and others get so frustrated ? We needed a back up striker and once again the club failed to deliver. There is no excuse for this. Time and time again they get it wrong and I’m just fed up. I know for a fact we are achieving nothing this season because our team is not strong enough. 1 bad injury to either Son or Kane, it’s game over. We are not getting through a season with one of these injured long term. That is down to the chairmen and the board for not providing a better squad.
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Best we can hope for is another striker in January but not sure how optimistic that is. Probably be a loan signing like Vinicius again if we do. I know we tried to get Ings last summer at the last minute which would have made for an incredible transfer window, but not sure how credible our pursuit of him was. Could have been one of those "we tried" ones.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 30 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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Don’t know why you keep excepting. You expect 2 signings in Jan? God, you are naive mate. How long have you supported this club for ? The likelihood of Levy signing 2 players we badly need is near enough impossible. He might sign 1 striker if a cheap freebie becomes available, but if you honestly think Levy is going out too strengthen us in Jan, you are going to be incredibly disappointed
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Time will tell Don. You would think Paratici and Nuno would want two players at the very least. If we don't then we can kiss this season good bye but that could well be the case come late November/December.
There are alot of players who contracts are winding down next summer so there should be a fair bit of movement.
I can't help but being optimistic Don. You stay negative/realistic and I'll stay optimistic lol.
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
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Well there you go then. Even Villa can beat us too wages. How is that acceptable ? A supposed huge club and we can’t even compete with a team that was in the championship 4 years ago.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 30 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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Don’t know why you keep excepting. You expect 2 signings in Jan? God, you are naive mate. How long have you supported this club for ? The likelihood of Levy signing 2 players we badly need is near enough impossible. He might sign 1 striker if a cheap freebie becomes available, but if you honestly think Levy is going out too strengthen us in Jan, you are going to be incredibly disappointed
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Time will tell Don. You would think Paratici and Nuno would want two players at the very least. If we don't then we can kiss this season good bye but that could well be the case come late November/December.
There are alot of players who contracts are winding down next summer so there should be a fair bit of movement.
I can't help but being optimistic Don. You stay negative/realistic and I'll stay optimistic lol.
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Fair play. All my optimism has gone from supporting Spurs a long time ago mate. Notably CL final and the Pochettino fiasco towards the end did it for me. Haven’t really felt the same with Spurs since.
We face several difficulties in attracting a Kane back up.
1. They will spend a lot of time on the bench. We have missed out on the likes of Morata, Ings, Watkins and others because they know they would be the support act. Options are then limited to 1. youth 2. Experience or 3. Someone happy to be a bench warmer (each with their draw backs)
2. Strikers are expensive. For someone who is going to be sitting on the bench a lot it is difficult to find good value.
3. Kane is a top player and any back up will be a big step down. Look around - Salah or ?, Lukaku or ?, Jesus or ? It is not easy for even the biggest teams to have viable backup options up front .
4. We are also operating at a higher level. Its easier if you are Villa to buy Watkins and make him the main striker and allow him to develop - he would not get the same chance at any of the top 6, he would have to be a bit part player, bide his time, and who knows if he'd fulfil his potential with this role. You can understand his thinking when choosing Villa
We seemed to be after Martinez in the summer which is more of a flexible option - wide right with Kane, up front without him. This is the sort of option we need to look at, someone across the attacking line but again, few and far between
I am not making excuses, its the clubs job to find solutions but it is a lot harder than most people give credit for, especially when our funds are not unlimited.
I agree we cannot go the entire season as is but rather we get a proper solution than just stop gap. For now I am glad that the likes of Scarlet are getting time in the squad, on the bench and a few minutes too.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
We face several difficulties in attracting a Kane back up.
1. They will spend a lot of time on the bench. We have missed out on the likes of Morata, Ings, Watkins and others because they know they would be the support act. Options are then limited to 1. youth 2. Experience or 3. Someone happy to be a bench warmer (each with their draw backs)
2. Strikers are expensive. For someone who is going to be sitting on the bench a lot it is difficult to find good value.
3. Kane is a top player and any back up will be a big step down. Look around - Salah or ?, Lukaku or ?, Jesus or ? It is not easy for even the biggest teams to have viable backup options up front .
4. We are also operating at a higher level. Its easier if you are Villa to buy Watkins and make him the main striker and allow him to develop - he would not get the same chance at any of the top 6, he would have to be a bit part player, bide his time, and who knows if he'd fulfil his potential with this role. You can understand his thinking when choosing Villa
We seemed to be after Martinez in the summer which is more of a flexible option - wide right with Kane, up front without him. This is the sort of option we need to look at, someone across the attacking line but again, few and far between
I am not making excuses, its the clubs job to find solutions but it is a lot harder than most people give credit for, especially when our funds are not unlimited.
I agree we cannot go the entire season as is but rather we get a proper solution than just stop gap. For now I am glad that the likes of Scarlet are getting time in the squad, on the bench and a few minutes too.
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Scarlett isn’t ready mate. You honestly trust a 17 year old kid If Son or Kane gets injured ? Sorry, it’s just excuse after excuse mate. There is no justification in losing Bale and Vinicius, then not replacing their goals. Totally unacceptable. But, that’s Spurs under Levy and ENIC in a nutshell
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 28 minutes ago
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
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Son is on £150k a week.
Ings is not worth that, especially if we had to pay £25m for the 29 year old.
By compariosn, players like Jesus at City are on about £90k. Inter pay Martinez about £70k.
People band around these sums as if is nothing, but ultimately Ings will cost Villa £48m in wages and fees over his contract, and he'll be 32 by the end of it and is far more injury prone than Kane.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 28 minutes ago
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
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Son is on £150k a week.
Ings is not worth that, especially if we had to pay £25m for the 29 year old.
By compariosn, players like Jesus at City are on about £90k. Inter pay Martinez about £70k.
People band around these sums as if is nothing, but ultimately Ings will cost Villa £48m in wages and fees over his contract, and he'll be 32 by the end of it and is far more injury prone than Kane.
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Ings is worth that if it means the difference between a CL place. Ings is an excellent striker and is more than good enough to replace either Son or Kane if injured. He can play with Kane too. He’s worth every penny. It’s this small time attitude is the reason why Spurs never win anything. Get in players we need and that will improve us. Danny Ings improves our squad and team.
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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Should be sorted in the summer. The issue is the club acts when it’s too late. What good is signing a striker in Jan when half the season is gone and potentially we could lose Son or Kane anytime from now until then. We have 0 goal scorers in this team apart from them. One of them gets injured for 1 month +, it’s season over mate. Not signing an adequate back up striker is exactly a reason why the club is going nowhere under this regime
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I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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Should be sorted in the summer. The issue is the club acts when it’s too late. What good is signing a striker in Jan when half the season is gone and potentially we could lose Son or Kane anytime from now until then. We have 0 goal scorers in this team apart from them. One of them gets injured for 1 month +, it’s season over mate. Not signing an adequate back up striker is exactly a reason why the club is going nowhere under this regime
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but the club has so far under this regime, so what is your logic for saying that it cannot progress further once we really get the financial benefit of the stadium?
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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Should be sorted in the summer. The issue is the club acts when it’s too late. What good is signing a striker in Jan when half the season is gone and potentially we could lose Son or Kane anytime from now until then. We have 0 goal scorers in this team apart from them. One of them gets injured for 1 month +, it’s season over mate. Not signing an adequate back up striker is exactly a reason why the club is going nowhere under this regime
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but the club has so far under this regime, so what is your logic for saying that it cannot progress further once we really get the financial benefit of the stadium?
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Because I don’t believe the club harbour the same ambition as all the other top clubs. It will be even harder now with Newcastle coming to the table. Don’t think we will get anywhere close to the top 4 anytime soon. Our time has been and gone. We f*** that when we failed to back Pochettino. Completely ruined all that hard work in true Spursy fashion.
It is not about ambition IMO. Its about decision making.
Liverpool won the title off the back of some well planned spending off the Coutinho sale. this summer spent not a lot on an OK back up CB. Last summer the bought an OK back up LB.
What the have done is get a most things right, from appointing Klopp to careful selective purchases.
they wanted VVD, they didn't get him, they didn't panic, they waited and got him in the end.
their net spend is the same as ours over the last 5 years.
Ambition is not solely defined by how much is spent. I remember many commenting when we were linked with Grealish years ago, that it lack ambition. In the las few years we have been one of the top spenders.
IMO the structure is most important. WHo is in the top positions and who is making the big decisions. Levy's hand was in too much of this and it is a relief that others are having much greater input into the football side of things
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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“Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing” - think that’s a bit harsh. I don’t think even the most staunchest ENIC Out posters on here think that their posts are about to change anything, but part of the point of these forums is surely to be able to vent your frustrations with fellow fans. Even the debates and disagreements that come from it offer some sort of catharsis. I know Don gets called out as a poster for being overly negative, but I don’t see it that way. He just calls it like he sees it just as everyone else does. I don’t always agree with his views, but where I often find myself fully aligned with him is his frustrations with the clubs and where we feel, rightly or wrongly, where it should be instead of where it is. It’s good. I like it when people vent as it helps channel and quell my own frustrations too.
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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“Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing” - think that’s a bit harsh. I don’t think even the most staunchest ENIC Out posters on here think that their posts are about to change anything, but part of the point of these forums is surely to be able to vent your frustrations with fellow fans. Even the debates and disagreements that come from it offer some sort of catharsis. I know Don gets called out as a poster for being overly negative, but I don’t see it that way. He just calls it like he sees it just as everyone else does. I don’t always agree with his views, but where I often find myself fully aligned with him is his frustrations with the clubs and where we feel, rightly or wrongly, where it should be instead of where it is. It’s good. I like it when people vent as it helps channel and quell my own frustrations too.
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Exactly that mate
I think when people find so little or no joy in supporting their club it is hard for others to accept their constant negativity.
Both Billy & Don make good points at times but it is an ocean of negative comments which don't just ignore positive elements of the club/owners, they dismiss them entirely as luck or means to trouser profits etc. their total criticism of all things Spurs undermines the credibility their more valid criticisms.
they take the approach that a LFC mate of mine takes in assessing Kane. He doesn't rate him as he hasn't got pace. Yes, a valid criticism but only one aspect of his makeup. He wouldnt have him at LFC - his opinion but the basis of which is narrow and lacking proper consideration.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
I think when people find so little or no joy in supporting their club it is hard for others to accept their constant negativity.
Both Billy & Don make good points at times but it is an ocean of negative comments which don't just ignore positive elements of the club/owners, they dismiss them entirely as luck or means to trouser profits etc. their total criticism of all things Spurs undermines the credibility their more valid criticisms.
they take the approach that a LFC mate of mine takes in assessing Kane. He doesn't rate him as he hasn't got pace. Yes, a valid criticism but only one aspect of his makeup. He wouldnt have him at LFC - his opinion but the basis of which is narrow and lacking proper consideration.
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I don’t think we are the only ones mate. Thousands of Spurs fans are slowly turning on the club. People are just fed up mate with the way it’s run and the losers mentality infesting throughout the whole club. If you are going to charge the highest ticket prices anywhere in Europe, then provide a football team worthy of paying that sort of price. Don’t charge premium and provide s** on the football field. Would you go to an incredibly expensive restaurant, pay premium for the best food and accept a happy meal ? No, so why should we be happy with the s** served up on the field? There’s no joy because there’s nothing to be joyful about supporting Spurs right now. You tell me 1 thing on the football field Devonshire since the CL final, that we have to be joyful about ?
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posted on 12/10/21
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
that said, it is disappointing that Joe Lewis hasnt injected his own cash into the club. He is so filthy rich that it wouldnt even be on the radar... but its a business, and he became filthy rich by not doing things like that.
as a fan its a shame, but I understand it. the ENIC out brigade want someone to come in and operate spurs as a toy, throwing money at it.... the problem with that is it can go two ways. people sometimes get bored of toys, and as we have seen with other ownerships, their are a lot of bad situations out there. at least with ENIC we know they operate it as a business and wont gamble the club.
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I certainly don't want it to be run like some rich person's toy where they throw money around all the time. Just need to show more ambition than we currently do and better recruitment. Things like getting another striker when we only have Kane is something a club like Brentford would be doing never mind a Man City.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
that said, it is disappointing that Joe Lewis hasnt injected his own cash into the club. He is so filthy rich that it wouldnt even be on the radar... but its a business, and he became filthy rich by not doing things like that.
as a fan its a shame, but I understand it. the ENIC out brigade want someone to come in and operate spurs as a toy, throwing money at it.... the problem with that is it can go two ways. people sometimes get bored of toys, and as we have seen with other ownerships, their are a lot of bad situations out there. at least with ENIC we know they operate it as a business and wont gamble the club.
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I certainly don't want it to be run like some rich person's toy where they throw money around all the time. Just need to show more ambition than we currently do and better recruitment. Things like getting another striker when we only have Kane is something a club like Brentford would be doing never mind a Man City.
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Exactly and people wonder why I and others get so frustrated ? We needed a back up striker and once again the club failed to deliver. There is no excuse for this. Time and time again they get it wrong and I’m just fed up. I know for a fact we are achieving nothing this season because our team is not strong enough. 1 bad injury to either Son or Kane, it’s game over. We are not getting through a season with one of these injured long term. That is down to the chairmen and the board for not providing a better squad.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 30 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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Don’t know why you keep excepting. You expect 2 signings in Jan? God, you are naive mate. How long have you supported this club for ? The likelihood of Levy signing 2 players we badly need is near enough impossible. He might sign 1 striker if a cheap freebie becomes available, but if you honestly think Levy is going out too strengthen us in Jan, you are going to be incredibly disappointed
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
that said, it is disappointing that Joe Lewis hasnt injected his own cash into the club. He is so filthy rich that it wouldnt even be on the radar... but its a business, and he became filthy rich by not doing things like that.
as a fan its a shame, but I understand it. the ENIC out brigade want someone to come in and operate spurs as a toy, throwing money at it.... the problem with that is it can go two ways. people sometimes get bored of toys, and as we have seen with other ownerships, their are a lot of bad situations out there. at least with ENIC we know they operate it as a business and wont gamble the club.
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I certainly don't want it to be run like some rich person's toy where they throw money around all the time. Just need to show more ambition than we currently do and better recruitment. Things like getting another striker when we only have Kane is something a club like Brentford would be doing never mind a Man City.
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Exactly and people wonder why I and others get so frustrated ? We needed a back up striker and once again the club failed to deliver. There is no excuse for this. Time and time again they get it wrong and I’m just fed up. I know for a fact we are achieving nothing this season because our team is not strong enough. 1 bad injury to either Son or Kane, it’s game over. We are not getting through a season with one of these injured long term. That is down to the chairmen and the board for not providing a better squad.
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Best we can hope for is another striker in January but not sure how optimistic that is. Probably be a loan signing like Vinicius again if we do. I know we tried to get Ings last summer at the last minute which would have made for an incredible transfer window, but not sure how credible our pursuit of him was. Could have been one of those "we tried" ones.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 30 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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Don’t know why you keep excepting. You expect 2 signings in Jan? God, you are naive mate. How long have you supported this club for ? The likelihood of Levy signing 2 players we badly need is near enough impossible. He might sign 1 striker if a cheap freebie becomes available, but if you honestly think Levy is going out too strengthen us in Jan, you are going to be incredibly disappointed
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Time will tell Don. You would think Paratici and Nuno would want two players at the very least. If we don't then we can kiss this season good bye but that could well be the case come late November/December.
There are alot of players who contracts are winding down next summer so there should be a fair bit of movement.
I can't help but being optimistic Don. You stay negative/realistic and I'll stay optimistic lol.
posted on 12/10/21
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 8 seconds ago
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
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Well there you go then. Even Villa can beat us too wages. How is that acceptable ? A supposed huge club and we can’t even compete with a team that was in the championship 4 years ago.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 30 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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Don’t know why you keep excepting. You expect 2 signings in Jan? God, you are naive mate. How long have you supported this club for ? The likelihood of Levy signing 2 players we badly need is near enough impossible. He might sign 1 striker if a cheap freebie becomes available, but if you honestly think Levy is going out too strengthen us in Jan, you are going to be incredibly disappointed
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Time will tell Don. You would think Paratici and Nuno would want two players at the very least. If we don't then we can kiss this season good bye but that could well be the case come late November/December.
There are alot of players who contracts are winding down next summer so there should be a fair bit of movement.
I can't help but being optimistic Don. You stay negative/realistic and I'll stay optimistic lol.
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Fair play. All my optimism has gone from supporting Spurs a long time ago mate. Notably CL final and the Pochettino fiasco towards the end did it for me. Haven’t really felt the same with Spurs since.
posted on 12/10/21
We face several difficulties in attracting a Kane back up.
1. They will spend a lot of time on the bench. We have missed out on the likes of Morata, Ings, Watkins and others because they know they would be the support act. Options are then limited to 1. youth 2. Experience or 3. Someone happy to be a bench warmer (each with their draw backs)
2. Strikers are expensive. For someone who is going to be sitting on the bench a lot it is difficult to find good value.
3. Kane is a top player and any back up will be a big step down. Look around - Salah or ?, Lukaku or ?, Jesus or ? It is not easy for even the biggest teams to have viable backup options up front .
4. We are also operating at a higher level. Its easier if you are Villa to buy Watkins and make him the main striker and allow him to develop - he would not get the same chance at any of the top 6, he would have to be a bit part player, bide his time, and who knows if he'd fulfil his potential with this role. You can understand his thinking when choosing Villa
We seemed to be after Martinez in the summer which is more of a flexible option - wide right with Kane, up front without him. This is the sort of option we need to look at, someone across the attacking line but again, few and far between
I am not making excuses, its the clubs job to find solutions but it is a lot harder than most people give credit for, especially when our funds are not unlimited.
I agree we cannot go the entire season as is but rather we get a proper solution than just stop gap. For now I am glad that the likes of Scarlet are getting time in the squad, on the bench and a few minutes too.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
We face several difficulties in attracting a Kane back up.
1. They will spend a lot of time on the bench. We have missed out on the likes of Morata, Ings, Watkins and others because they know they would be the support act. Options are then limited to 1. youth 2. Experience or 3. Someone happy to be a bench warmer (each with their draw backs)
2. Strikers are expensive. For someone who is going to be sitting on the bench a lot it is difficult to find good value.
3. Kane is a top player and any back up will be a big step down. Look around - Salah or ?, Lukaku or ?, Jesus or ? It is not easy for even the biggest teams to have viable backup options up front .
4. We are also operating at a higher level. Its easier if you are Villa to buy Watkins and make him the main striker and allow him to develop - he would not get the same chance at any of the top 6, he would have to be a bit part player, bide his time, and who knows if he'd fulfil his potential with this role. You can understand his thinking when choosing Villa
We seemed to be after Martinez in the summer which is more of a flexible option - wide right with Kane, up front without him. This is the sort of option we need to look at, someone across the attacking line but again, few and far between
I am not making excuses, its the clubs job to find solutions but it is a lot harder than most people give credit for, especially when our funds are not unlimited.
I agree we cannot go the entire season as is but rather we get a proper solution than just stop gap. For now I am glad that the likes of Scarlet are getting time in the squad, on the bench and a few minutes too.
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Scarlett isn’t ready mate. You honestly trust a 17 year old kid If Son or Kane gets injured ? Sorry, it’s just excuse after excuse mate. There is no justification in losing Bale and Vinicius, then not replacing their goals. Totally unacceptable. But, that’s Spurs under Levy and ENIC in a nutshell
posted on 12/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 28 minutes ago
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
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Son is on £150k a week.
Ings is not worth that, especially if we had to pay £25m for the 29 year old.
By compariosn, players like Jesus at City are on about £90k. Inter pay Martinez about £70k.
People band around these sums as if is nothing, but ultimately Ings will cost Villa £48m in wages and fees over his contract, and he'll be 32 by the end of it and is far more injury prone than Kane.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 28 minutes ago
By all accounts Spurtle, we were not prepared to pay Ings wages of £150k a week so Villa had a free run and the deal was tied up quickly.
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Son is on £150k a week.
Ings is not worth that, especially if we had to pay £25m for the 29 year old.
By compariosn, players like Jesus at City are on about £90k. Inter pay Martinez about £70k.
People band around these sums as if is nothing, but ultimately Ings will cost Villa £48m in wages and fees over his contract, and he'll be 32 by the end of it and is far more injury prone than Kane.
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Ings is worth that if it means the difference between a CL place. Ings is an excellent striker and is more than good enough to replace either Son or Kane if injured. He can play with Kane too. He’s worth every penny. It’s this small time attitude is the reason why Spurs never win anything. Get in players we need and that will improve us. Danny Ings improves our squad and team.
posted on 12/10/21
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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Should be sorted in the summer. The issue is the club acts when it’s too late. What good is signing a striker in Jan when half the season is gone and potentially we could lose Son or Kane anytime from now until then. We have 0 goal scorers in this team apart from them. One of them gets injured for 1 month +, it’s season over mate. Not signing an adequate back up striker is exactly a reason why the club is going nowhere under this regime
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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Should be sorted in the summer. The issue is the club acts when it’s too late. What good is signing a striker in Jan when half the season is gone and potentially we could lose Son or Kane anytime from now until then. We have 0 goal scorers in this team apart from them. One of them gets injured for 1 month +, it’s season over mate. Not signing an adequate back up striker is exactly a reason why the club is going nowhere under this regime
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but the club has so far under this regime, so what is your logic for saying that it cannot progress further once we really get the financial benefit of the stadium?
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
I like you Devonshire, but Jesus Christ you are a Levy and ENIC sympathiser. How can you be happy with the club failing to sign an adequate back up ? Meaning we are left with a 17 year old rookie as our only sub striker. How the hell in any shape or form is that acceptable for any club let alone a top club.
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Its not acceptable, but not signing a backup striker isn't a reason to demand a change in ownership .....
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Jesus Christ mate, you honestly think I want a change of ownership because of that one thing ? Have you got all day ? I got a list as big as my right arm. There are tonnes of reasons why I want ENIC and Levy out. Not bothering getting into that now mate. What is unacceptable is not signing an adequate striker back up for this season, end of story
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well you seem to want them out due to 'lack of ambition' but you always come back to the back up striker example as your main point.
It is valid, we do need a backup striker, but there has been a very noticeable shift upwards in the transfer fees we spend and the wages we offer, which has coincided with the increased revenues. if revenues continue to increase as projected, then there should be higher level of investment into the squad.
with regard things like second striker, now we have a DOF this should surely be sorted soon
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Should be sorted in the summer. The issue is the club acts when it’s too late. What good is signing a striker in Jan when half the season is gone and potentially we could lose Son or Kane anytime from now until then. We have 0 goal scorers in this team apart from them. One of them gets injured for 1 month +, it’s season over mate. Not signing an adequate back up striker is exactly a reason why the club is going nowhere under this regime
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but the club has so far under this regime, so what is your logic for saying that it cannot progress further once we really get the financial benefit of the stadium?
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Because I don’t believe the club harbour the same ambition as all the other top clubs. It will be even harder now with Newcastle coming to the table. Don’t think we will get anywhere close to the top 4 anytime soon. Our time has been and gone. We f*** that when we failed to back Pochettino. Completely ruined all that hard work in true Spursy fashion.
posted on 12/10/21
It is not about ambition IMO. Its about decision making.
Liverpool won the title off the back of some well planned spending off the Coutinho sale. this summer spent not a lot on an OK back up CB. Last summer the bought an OK back up LB.
What the have done is get a most things right, from appointing Klopp to careful selective purchases.
they wanted VVD, they didn't get him, they didn't panic, they waited and got him in the end.
their net spend is the same as ours over the last 5 years.
Ambition is not solely defined by how much is spent. I remember many commenting when we were linked with Grealish years ago, that it lack ambition. In the las few years we have been one of the top spenders.
IMO the structure is most important. WHo is in the top positions and who is making the big decisions. Levy's hand was in too much of this and it is a relief that others are having much greater input into the football side of things
posted on 12/10/21
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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“Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing” - think that’s a bit harsh. I don’t think even the most staunchest ENIC Out posters on here think that their posts are about to change anything, but part of the point of these forums is surely to be able to vent your frustrations with fellow fans. Even the debates and disagreements that come from it offer some sort of catharsis. I know Don gets called out as a poster for being overly negative, but I don’t see it that way. He just calls it like he sees it just as everyone else does. I don’t always agree with his views, but where I often find myself fully aligned with him is his frustrations with the clubs and where we feel, rightly or wrongly, where it should be instead of where it is. It’s good. I like it when people vent as it helps channel and quell my own frustrations too.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
"fans are pretty happy to accept failure"
They are not. Every Spurs fan wants to win trophies. Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing. Protesting against them does nothing.
Alot of Fans accept they are not going away anytime soon. Like it or not. For me, rather than wasting my energy on hating them, I want to see how things pan out.
Even if it all goes belly up (which is more than likely) we will still be here. I just want good things for Spurs. I see their plan to increase revenue by utilising the stadium as much as possible, to put money back in the team and I accept it. I don't love it because if we have another lockdown or pandemic the plan falls on it's backside.
But, at least there is a plan. I have never heard Levy say he wants Spurs to become the best team in the Prem. This doesn't sit well with me but if even if he did, he would be laughed out when you look at our competition.
At least Levy acknowledges the team needs money and now crowds are back the plan is in motion. But come January I expect two more additions. Minimum. A midfielder and back striker at least.
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“Crying about ENIC on a forum does nothing” - think that’s a bit harsh. I don’t think even the most staunchest ENIC Out posters on here think that their posts are about to change anything, but part of the point of these forums is surely to be able to vent your frustrations with fellow fans. Even the debates and disagreements that come from it offer some sort of catharsis. I know Don gets called out as a poster for being overly negative, but I don’t see it that way. He just calls it like he sees it just as everyone else does. I don’t always agree with his views, but where I often find myself fully aligned with him is his frustrations with the clubs and where we feel, rightly or wrongly, where it should be instead of where it is. It’s good. I like it when people vent as it helps channel and quell my own frustrations too.
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Exactly that mate
posted on 12/10/21
I think when people find so little or no joy in supporting their club it is hard for others to accept their constant negativity.
Both Billy & Don make good points at times but it is an ocean of negative comments which don't just ignore positive elements of the club/owners, they dismiss them entirely as luck or means to trouser profits etc. their total criticism of all things Spurs undermines the credibility their more valid criticisms.
they take the approach that a LFC mate of mine takes in assessing Kane. He doesn't rate him as he hasn't got pace. Yes, a valid criticism but only one aspect of his makeup. He wouldnt have him at LFC - his opinion but the basis of which is narrow and lacking proper consideration.
posted on 12/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
I think when people find so little or no joy in supporting their club it is hard for others to accept their constant negativity.
Both Billy & Don make good points at times but it is an ocean of negative comments which don't just ignore positive elements of the club/owners, they dismiss them entirely as luck or means to trouser profits etc. their total criticism of all things Spurs undermines the credibility their more valid criticisms.
they take the approach that a LFC mate of mine takes in assessing Kane. He doesn't rate him as he hasn't got pace. Yes, a valid criticism but only one aspect of his makeup. He wouldnt have him at LFC - his opinion but the basis of which is narrow and lacking proper consideration.
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I don’t think we are the only ones mate. Thousands of Spurs fans are slowly turning on the club. People are just fed up mate with the way it’s run and the losers mentality infesting throughout the whole club. If you are going to charge the highest ticket prices anywhere in Europe, then provide a football team worthy of paying that sort of price. Don’t charge premium and provide s** on the football field. Would you go to an incredibly expensive restaurant, pay premium for the best food and accept a happy meal ? No, so why should we be happy with the s** served up on the field? There’s no joy because there’s nothing to be joyful about supporting Spurs right now. You tell me 1 thing on the football field Devonshire since the CL final, that we have to be joyful about ?
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