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posted on 26/10/21

comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 3 minutes ago
If there was a god that would mean the lady that was accidently shot by Alec Balwdin was predestined to die..
When a plane crashes and 89 people die and one survives that is also predestined .That the one person was meant to live.
Either this god is consciouslly aware of what is happening or its not. either way its not a god because its unwillingy to stop bad things. or its not a god because its unable to stop these things.

To me its just the way things are. there is no extra meaning behind it all.
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But you are using the religious texts definition of god going by your post.

The way religious people look at it, is like, he is a parent. As much as your parents would want you to not do stuff, they cannot stop you from doing stuff.

I personally think if god exists as described in religion, he is not the uptight know it all he is described as.
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The religious God is actually the reason most people don't beleive in a God.

If you put that aside then a God is probably as likely as the next universe.
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From the point of view that anything outside of current knowledge is theoretically possible?

Bit of an outlier, that.
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Why is it an outlier?

The existence of a God is no more or less probable than another universe, is it?

If we advance enough to create living organisms or sentient entities, do we become that organism's God?

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 45 seconds ago
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But you are using the religious texts definition of god going by your post.

The way religious people look at it, is like, he is a parent. As much as your parents would want you to not do stuff, they cannot stop you from doing stuff.

I personally think if god exists as described in religion, he is not the uptight know it all he is described as.

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Im using the main opinion of theism and their main religious beliefs when it comes to god.. Either this god is consciously aware or its not. either way its pretty much useless.. Praying to it and it does nothing is the same as praying to it and its not aware of peoples prayers.
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You are basing your arguments on what people think about god as opposed to what god is.

I have little time for religion and the 2 most popular religions on the planets are based on the way 2 people lived their lives. Both of those people were enemies of organised religion.

That tells you all you need to know

posted on 26/10/21

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 22 seconds ago
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Thats only true if there exists the biblical God, which narrows the concept.

A God doesn't necessarily have to control everything or have planned it all in advance.
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So basically this god is less clueless than Ole? I get it..
I guess there other explinations like theists who think God is the universe. but then they would have the issues in explaning how this god created the universe without consciously knowing its own actions.

Thats why i stick to my original points.. There is no reason everything exists. because it exists..
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Why does it exist? 1 km farther away from the sun and we will not exist now. Why is Jupiter in our solar system. Why does its gravitational pull draw planet destroying asteroids away from us to it?

There is a method to the madness. It is not random.
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Who said its random? Its called science.

posted on 26/10/21

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Why does it exist? 1 km farther away from the sun and we will not exist now. Why is Jupiter in our solar system. Why does its gravitational pull draw planet destroying asteroids away from us to it?

There is a method to the madness. It is not random.
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Of course its random have you any idea how many planets there are in the universe?? theres a reported 2 TRILLION galaxies.. 100s of billions of stars with 1000s of billions of planets . We just happened to have evolved on a planet that is supportive of life.
It took mankind 4 and half billion years to get to this point..

posted on 26/10/21

Im using the main opinion of theism and their main religious beliefs when it comes to god.. Either this god is consciously aware or its not. either way its pretty much useless.. Praying to it and it does nothing is the same as praying to it and its not aware of peoples prayers.
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This is a criticism of religion and its God.

The concept of a God can exist outside that.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 20 seconds ago

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
I also believe there is a multiverse.

Have you noticed that you have some dreams that are so real, where you are going through things you have intimate knowledge about, but wake up and have no bleeping clue about them?
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That's all down to chemicals and substances mixing and reacting in your brain. It seems real because its linked your brain's perception organs.

If other universes can exist and you can experience them through dreams then a God may as well exist too.
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How do you explain the events where you continue a particular dream months or years later then?

Hmm, Mr Smartypants!

There is a multiverse!!!!!!
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In fairness, there is some quantum mechanical basis behind the multiverse theory.

I don't fcking understand any of it, but it's there for anyone who does.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Stephen McGinn (U1734)
posted 42 minutes ago
Aren't churches only really used for the funerals of the old people who attended them on Sundays? Then the next Sunday around there is one less old person in the congregation. But they do get a midweek day out to the church. It is not sustainable though. One day Margaret will be sitting there on her own on a Sunday and there will be no one to attend her funeral midweek.
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I prefer the version where one day Margaret turns up and the church is a 'spoons, she goes in, tries some of Satan's liquor, likes it, removes her underwear, swings from the chandelier....wait, what was the question?

posted on 26/10/21

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This is a criticism of religion and its God.

The concept of a God can exist outside that.

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Ok lets hear yours?? or dont you have one? just need to question others?

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Thats why i stick to my original points.. There is no reason everything exists. because it exists..
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In response, a believer would say "thats why i stick to my original points.. There is no reason God exists. because he exists..

In fact, that's exactly what they say.
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So basically there isn't much difference between you and a religious nutcase.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 3 seconds ago
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Why does it exist? 1 km farther away from the sun and we will not exist now. Why is Jupiter in our solar system. Why does its gravitational pull draw planet destroying asteroids away from us to it?

There is a method to the madness. It is not random.
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Of course its random have you any idea how many planets there are in the universe?? theres a reported 2 TRILLION galaxies.. 100s of billions of stars with 1000s of billions of planets . We just happened to have evolved on a planet that is supportive of life.
It took mankind 4 and half billion years to get to this point..

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It is not random. There is organisation to it. Even the way evolution works.

I note however you did not engage with the specific points I made.

What caused the big bang? What was the singularity before it? Why does the Methuselah system exist?

It is not random, far from it.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 3 minutes ago
If there was a god that would mean the lady that was accidently shot by Alec Balwdin was predestined to die..
When a plane crashes and 89 people die and one survives that is also predestined .That the one person was meant to live.
Either this god is consciouslly aware of what is happening or its not. either way its not a god because its unwillingy to stop bad things. or its not a god because its unable to stop these things.

To me its just the way things are. there is no extra meaning behind it all.
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But you are using the religious texts definition of god going by your post.

The way religious people look at it, is like, he is a parent. As much as your parents would want you to not do stuff, they cannot stop you from doing stuff.

I personally think if god exists as described in religion, he is not the uptight know it all he is described as.
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The religious God is actually the reason most people don't beleive in a God.

If you put that aside then a God is probably as likely as the next universe.
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From the point of view that anything outside of current knowledge is theoretically possible?

Bit of an outlier, that.
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Why is it an outlier?

The existence of a God is no more or less probable than another universe, is it?

If we advance enough to create living organisms or sentient entities, do we become that organism's God?
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It's circular logic though. Mankind has created an idea of a 'god', to say that there's a lot of space we don't know about, it probably lives there doesnt follow any line of reasoning.

I agree that anything's theoretically possible if it exists outside of our understanding, but why arbitrarily select a god to be that possible?

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 4 seconds ago
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This is a criticism of religion and its God.

The concept of a God can exist outside that.

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Ok lets hear yours?? or dont you have one? just need to question others?
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My what? Not sure what you're asking tbh.

posted on 26/10/21

Jupiter didnt really help the dinosaurs did it?? actually it caused their destruction by pushing the 6 mile wide asteroid in the earths direction.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Thats why i stick to my original points.. There is no reason everything exists. because it exists..
--------T
In response, a believer would say "thats why i stick to my original points.. There is no reason God exists. because he exists..

In fact, that's exactly what they say.
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So basically there isn't much difference between you and a religious nutcase.
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Indeed. As a man of science I find some views about the planet stupid to be honest.

We have a rough idea of how some things work but cannot simulate our existence and make it repeatable.

That alone tells me there is a method to the madness.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Cinciwolf----Bow wow wow, yippie yo, yippie yay. (U11551)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think it is just sad that so many people are so weak as to need to believe in nonsense without any proof at all.

But then again, we have seen the morons of society come to prominence over the last few years voting Trump, going against any logic with covid while brandishing weapons. Coincidence that all three tie together with great regularity.
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It’s a reductive argument, you only have this perspective due to an accident of birth.

posted on 26/10/21

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My what? Not sure what you're asking tbh.
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What your concept of this "god" is.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 30 seconds ago
Jupiter didnt really help the dinosaurs did it?? actually it caused their destruction by pushing the 6 mile wide asteroid in the earths direction.
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What dinosaurs? Praise Jebus.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Ex Lion Tamer. (U1270)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 3 minutes ago
If there was a god that would mean the lady that was accidently shot by Alec Balwdin was predestined to die..
When a plane crashes and 89 people die and one survives that is also predestined .That the one person was meant to live.
Either this god is consciouslly aware of what is happening or its not. either way its not a god because its unwillingy to stop bad things. or its not a god because its unable to stop these things.

To me its just the way things are. there is no extra meaning behind it all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

But you are using the religious texts definition of god going by your post.

The way religious people look at it, is like, he is a parent. As much as your parents would want you to not do stuff, they cannot stop you from doing stuff.

I personally think if god exists as described in religion, he is not the uptight know it all he is described as.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The religious God is actually the reason most people don't beleive in a God.

If you put that aside then a God is probably as likely as the next universe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From the point of view that anything outside of current knowledge is theoretically possible?

Bit of an outlier, that.
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Why is it an outlier?

The existence of a God is no more or less probable than another universe, is it?

If we advance enough to create living organisms or sentient entities, do we become that organism's God?
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It's circular logic though. Mankind has created an idea of a 'god', to say that there's a lot of space we don't know about, it probably lives there doesnt follow any line of reasoning.

I agree that anything's theoretically possible if it exists outside of our understanding, but why arbitrarily select a god to be that possible?
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I get your point but its not exactly arbitrary IMO. The observable world and universe and its very apt design would mean its more likely that there was a designer of it than the likelihood that another universe exists, a theory based on dreams and sci fi TV.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 1 second ago
Jupiter didnt really help the dinosaurs did it?? actually it caused their destruction by pushing the 6 mile wide asteroid in the earths direction.
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How did the crocs survive? The birds we have today are descendants of dinosaurs.

Not everything died after that impact.

An inquisitive mind would question if that was not a planetary event to fix some mistakes during an experiment.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 1 minute ago
Jupiter didnt really help the dinosaurs did it?? actually it caused their destruction by pushing the 6 mile wide asteroid in the earths direction.
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Thereby, either coincidentally or by design, clearing the way for humanity to take over.

Hmmm.

posted on 26/10/21

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 26 seconds ago
I do not consider myself religious. Was brought up in the Catholic Church but have a variety of views completely at odds with the church.

I do believe in a higher power but not as described in religious text.

Basically I believe we were created by higher life forms (like the Engineers from Prometheus) and are in a scientific experiment.

They will return at some point to exterminate us.
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Fan of Erich von Däniken MUDD?
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Who dat?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken
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That’s a blast from the past Diafol!!!

posted on 26/10/21

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 1 second ago
Jupiter didnt really help the dinosaurs did it?? actually it caused their destruction by pushing the 6 mile wide asteroid in the earths direction.
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How did the crocs survive? The birds we have today are descendants of dinosaurs.

Not everything died after that impact.

An inquisitive mind would question if that was not a planetary event to fix some mistakes during an experiment.
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Sounds suspiciously like the mice commissioning earth from the Magratheans to answer the great question in The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy.

You sure you're not on the wind up here?

posted on 26/10/21

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How did the crocs survive? The birds we have today are descendants of dinosaurs.

Not everything died after that impact.

An inquisitive mind would question if that was not a planetary event to fix some mistakes during an experiment.

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This being makes mistakes fking useless then. God disappeared for a coupla billions years and came back and saw t-rex and thought wow this aint right is it..take this rock and get lost

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 0 seconds ago
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How did the crocs survive? The birds we have today are descendants of dinosaurs.

Not everything died after that impact.

An inquisitive mind would question if that was not a planetary event to fix some mistakes during an experiment.

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This being makes mistakesfking useless then. God disappeared for a coupla billions years and came back and saw t-rex and thought wow this aint right is it..take this rock and get lost
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Again, how did the crocs survive? Why have we not seen another of those events of that magnitude since that one. Since everything is so random?

Why did we leave the sea? Why didn't all sea life evolve to be orcas or sharks, lobster, octupii?

Why is man so different from all other primates?

posted on 26/10/21

comment by bestoftherest2021 (U22523)
posted 2 minutes ago
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My what? Not sure what you're asking tbh.
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What your concept of this "god" is.
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I don't have a theory mate. To some extent I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Wait a minute. "Devil's advocate"

Hmmm.

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