comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
Been a good read this, and it's great that it didn't descend into Islamophobia or homophobia, thanks everyone
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Possibly because any Islamophobic posters on this forum are also homophobic, and this is a kind of wedge issue that leaves them unable to give one enemy a kicking without appearing to ally with enemy?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
Been a good read this, and it's great that it didn't descend into Islamophobia or homophobia, thanks everyone
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Famous last words….
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I used the word "camp".....

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
Been a good read this, and it's great that it didn't descend into Islamophobia or homophobia, thanks everyone
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Possibly because any Islamophobic posters on this forum are also homophobic, and this is a kind of wedge issue that leaves them unable to give one enemy a kicking without appearing to ally with enemy?
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Hopefully the conflicting position has shut their brains down and left them a weeping mess in the corner

The players could have their say by refusing to play!..

Stay at home, let people know that they don't agree with what's been said, but they could have done that because off the many deaths that seem to be getting ignored by many!..

People could sit at home and ignore the games, but enough players staying at home would bring this crap to its knees!..

It would help against covid aswell!..

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
Been a good read this, and it's great that it didn't descend into Islamophobia or homophobia, thanks everyone
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Possibly because any Islamophobic posters on this forum are also homophobic, and this is a kind of wedge issue that leaves them unable to give one enemy a kicking without appearing to ally with enemy?
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I think a similar tensions also exists within liberal thinking as well. You can’t defend gay rights and Islam tooth and nail at the same time.

Bloke is a diiickhead, sadly large parts of Islam are still stuck in the prehistoric era with these type of views. It’s one of the main reasons I’ve distanced myself away from religion because of shiiit like this.

We ROI are going to boycott this world cup as a show of solidarity

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
Been a good read this, and it's great that it didn't descend into Islamophobia or homophobia, thanks everyone
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Possibly because any Islamophobic posters on this forum are also homophobic, and this is a kind of wedge issue that leaves them unable to give one enemy a kicking without appearing to ally with enemy?
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I think a similar tensions also exists within liberal thinking as well. You can’t defend gay rights and Islam tooth and nail at the same time.
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I think you can defend gay rights, whilst also defending Islam against mischaracterisation and the rights of and protections for Muslims.

Modern Islam has suffered politically and culturally at the hands of fundamentalist Islamists, particularly over the last couple of hundred years. We look at the likes of ISIL, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and rightly call out their bullshiiit dogma as extremist and unrepresentative of the wider faith, but go back just a few hundred years, and you’d find that what are now considered relatively very moderate and even liberal Islamic groups in North Africa and the Middle East might have been considered quite conservative.

Or in short, in historical terms, Islam, globally, is going through a relatively conservative spell, and it’s perfectly possible that that trend will be reversed, and that more liberal blueprints, equally coherent with the texts, will re-emerge.

It’s fair to defend Islam and Muslims, whilst attacking extreme (in historical context) Islamist interpretations.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
Saying it's against human nature is stupid anyway because humans are actually homosexual.
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I don't regret bucking the trend.

comment by Amado Carrillo Fuentes (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bloke is a diiickhead, sadly large parts of Islam are still stuck in the prehistoric era with these type of views. It’s one of the main reasons I’ve distanced myself away from religion because of shiiit like this.
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It isn’t ‘prehistoric’ Islam that’s an issue mate. It’s more modern Islamism and the bleed from that over the last couple of hundred years.

Again, go back a few hundred years and large swathes of the Islamic world were very accepting of homosexuals and homosexual behaviour. Arguably moreso than parts of Christian Europe.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
Saying it's against human nature is stupid anyway because humans are actually homosexual.
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I don't regret bucking the trend.
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Who is Trend, and have you got his number?

Asking for a friend.

Imagine believing in made up fairies in the sky 😂

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Saying it's against human nature is stupid anyway because humans are actually homosexual.
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Its perhaps worth bookending this comment with the fact diafol found out recently his missus used.to be a man

There’s that as well, rosso. But there’s clearly a tension that is similar to what RR is saying.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
Saying it's against human nature is stupid anyway because humans are actually homosexual.
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I don't regret bucking the trend.
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Who is Trend, and have you got his number?

Asking for a friend.
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I'll get it for you, are you prepared to travel to Wales though?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
Saying it's against human nature is stupid anyway because humans are actually homosexual.
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I don't regret bucking the trend.
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Who is Trend, and have you got his number?

Asking for a friend.
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I'll get it for you, are you prepared to travel to Wales though?
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No, not I am not.

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 16 minutes ago
We ROI are going to boycott this world cup as a show of solidarity
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A thoroughly decent country

I particularly like the way you took this stance at the start of the qualifiers and stuck to your principles.

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine believing in made up fairies in the sky 😂
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Its no different to wearing your lucky pants on match day.

comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 16 minutes ago
We ROI are going to boycott this world cup as a show of solidarity
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A thoroughly decent country

I particularly like the way you took this stance at the start of the qualifiers and stuck to your principles.
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I liked that they told us at the start of the campaign, and also now. They told us twice.

To be sure, to be sure.

comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Saying it's against human nature is stupid anyway because humans are actually homosexual.
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Its perhaps worth bookending this comment with the fact diafol found out recently his missus used.to be a man



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Jesus!

Did the news leak to here?

comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 16 minutes ago
We ROI are going to boycott this world cup as a show of solidarity
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A thoroughly decent country

I particularly like the way you took this stance at the start of the qualifiers and stuck to your principles.
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I liked that they told us at the start of the campaign, and also now. They told us twice.

To be sure, to be sure.
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We're nice like that
Baz you git

So something that happens naturally in humans is against human nature? Makes sense.

comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
Which brings us back to the question about whether secular organisations like FIFA and the FA should be pushing values that are incompatible with values held by states that they're awarding tournaments to or sending teams to compete with. The £ will win in the end, of course.
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The flip side could also be that, hosting tournaments in those places and bringing them into the fray will increase their exposure to external values and accelerate the process of cultural shift.

I imagine that, for example, Mo Salah's presence in the Premier League acts as a window into European football + values for a huge no. of Egyptians. Contrast that to the influence of their previous national hero Aboutrika.
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Really? You mean like sending most if the manufacturing jobs in the world to China would improve the regime's human rights record?
That's what we were told.

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