comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 5 hours, 32 minutes ago
Max got lucky, but he deserved his championship. Just as Lewis got lucky in 2008, but deserved his championship.
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Yeah people conveniently forget how tainted the 2008 title was. The whole spygate fiasco with McLaren's car basically being a Ferrari, the Singapore Grand Prix that was literally rigged so that Massa didn't win it, plus if we want to throw in "luck" then Massa had 2 DNFs from reliability whilst Hamilton had none (and Kovalainen had 4).
Not to mention that Massa had WDC Kimi Raikkonen as team-mate and Hamilton had one of the slowest Finnish men ever to exist.
Basically, if we're honest then Massa is the real 2008 WDC. Especially as he actually had more wins than Hamilton that season.
So Hamilton should have been 2016 champion by your statement lol.
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Well you said especially as he actually had more wins.
https://youtu.be/9dfgaKlawVc
https://www.fia.com/news/statement-fia-world-motor-sport-council
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Next season if Verstappen is in same position as Hamilton, they should crash a Mercedes car just so they can get a free pit stop and win the championship as any cars that the other driver overtakes on the track when lapped mean nothing if you are in the title fight.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
Next season if Verstappen is in same position as Hamilton, they should crash a Mercedes car just so they can get a free pit stop and win the championship as any cars that the other driver overtakes on the track when lapped mean nothing if you are in the title fight.
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They twice deliberately crashed a Mercedes into Verstappen twice this year. Was that not enough for you?
It's funny how it's Man United fans who are the biggest Hamilton fanboys.
Probably the sort who though the refs were biased against them in the Fergie era.
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Well you could lead 1 lap of each race and win all the races. Max only led the last lap last race and won.
Its a bit like saying Man Utd led all 38 games in a premierleague season but got relegated with 0 points. Meaningless stat.
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It means nothing, Perez was leading last race but we all know how.
If you want to see domination, just look at Hamilton in Brazil.
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Well he didn’t dominate as both would have had the same wins if Masi didn’t cheat him out the last race and one of Max’s wins would have been 2 laps under a safety car so in effect Hamilton would have most actual race wins and more points.
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comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 36 minutes ago
Hamilton dominated Brazil, Max dominated the season. 👍
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Max is a pariah that needed help from the officials. I like Max but his championship is a gift and tainted.
The teams and race director have had a general agreement in place for the last couple of years to end races under green flag conditions if it is at all possible
Eifel last year...the safety car was out for a full 5 laps and folk complained that it was an unusually long period for the safety car to stay out given the track was cleared pretty quickly......now at Any Dhabi, people are saying it's unfair that the safety car wasn't out for that unusually long period of full five laps
Team principles on the radio to Masi throughout the race, asking him not to deploy safety cars, telling him to get unlapped cars out the way, telling him to count back after the race...etc...etc and getting distracted from doing his job of ensuring the track is cleared and that racing can safely resume as quickly as possible
All of these things caused what happened on Sunday.....not Masi being biased towards a particular team or driver.....as usual he's trying to please bloody everybody
That's the issue here.....that's what needs looked into.
Max is Champion....deal with it
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If Masi said a lap earlier to let cars unlap themselves, no one would have an issue but he made up rules a few seconds before end of the penultimate lap and in a rushed way after Horner contacted him and ignored the rest of the field. It was also dangerous for drivers like Stroll who had no idea he was racing.
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What Masi did could have caused a serious injury to Stroll on another day. Imagine having no idea who you are racing on the track on the last lap.
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posted on 15/12/21
comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 5 hours, 32 minutes ago
Max got lucky, but he deserved his championship. Just as Lewis got lucky in 2008, but deserved his championship.
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Yeah people conveniently forget how tainted the 2008 title was. The whole spygate fiasco with McLaren's car basically being a Ferrari, the Singapore Grand Prix that was literally rigged so that Massa didn't win it, plus if we want to throw in "luck" then Massa had 2 DNFs from reliability whilst Hamilton had none (and Kovalainen had 4).
Not to mention that Massa had WDC Kimi Raikkonen as team-mate and Hamilton had one of the slowest Finnish men ever to exist.
Basically, if we're honest then Massa is the real 2008 WDC. Especially as he actually had more wins than Hamilton that season.
posted on 15/12/21
So Hamilton should have been 2016 champion by your statement lol.
posted on 15/12/21
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posted on 15/12/21
Well you said especially as he actually had more wins.
posted on 15/12/21
https://youtu.be/9dfgaKlawVc
posted on 15/12/21
https://www.fia.com/news/statement-fia-world-motor-sport-council
posted on 15/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
Next season if Verstappen is in same position as Hamilton, they should crash a Mercedes car just so they can get a free pit stop and win the championship as any cars that the other driver overtakes on the track when lapped mean nothing if you are in the title fight.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
Next season if Verstappen is in same position as Hamilton, they should crash a Mercedes car just so they can get a free pit stop and win the championship as any cars that the other driver overtakes on the track when lapped mean nothing if you are in the title fight.
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They twice deliberately crashed a Mercedes into Verstappen twice this year. Was that not enough for you?
It's funny how it's Man United fans who are the biggest Hamilton fanboys.
Probably the sort who though the refs were biased against them in the Fergie era.
posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
Well you could lead 1 lap of each race and win all the races. Max only led the last lap last race and won.
Its a bit like saying Man Utd led all 38 games in a premierleague season but got relegated with 0 points. Meaningless stat.
posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
It means nothing, Perez was leading last race but we all know how.
posted on 16/12/21
If you want to see domination, just look at Hamilton in Brazil.
posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
Well he didn’t dominate as both would have had the same wins if Masi didn’t cheat him out the last race and one of Max’s wins would have been 2 laps under a safety car so in effect Hamilton would have most actual race wins and more points.
posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 36 minutes ago
Hamilton dominated Brazil, Max dominated the season. 👍
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Max is a pariah that needed help from the officials. I like Max but his championship is a gift and tainted.
posted on 16/12/21
The teams and race director have had a general agreement in place for the last couple of years to end races under green flag conditions if it is at all possible
Eifel last year...the safety car was out for a full 5 laps and folk complained that it was an unusually long period for the safety car to stay out given the track was cleared pretty quickly......now at Any Dhabi, people are saying it's unfair that the safety car wasn't out for that unusually long period of full five laps
Team principles on the radio to Masi throughout the race, asking him not to deploy safety cars, telling him to get unlapped cars out the way, telling him to count back after the race...etc...etc and getting distracted from doing his job of ensuring the track is cleared and that racing can safely resume as quickly as possible
All of these things caused what happened on Sunday.....not Masi being biased towards a particular team or driver.....as usual he's trying to please bloody everybody
That's the issue here.....that's what needs looked into.
Max is Champion....deal with it
posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
If Masi said a lap earlier to let cars unlap themselves, no one would have an issue but he made up rules a few seconds before end of the penultimate lap and in a rushed way after Horner contacted him and ignored the rest of the field. It was also dangerous for drivers like Stroll who had no idea he was racing.
posted on 16/12/21
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posted on 16/12/21
What Masi did could have caused a serious injury to Stroll on another day. Imagine having no idea who you are racing on the track on the last lap.
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