comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
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Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
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I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 51 seconds ago
Is it because of brexit that I can’t get Hop House 13 anywhere?
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They discontinued it in the UK because sales slumped in the pandemic. I was pretty gutted when I found out.
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This is a travesty. They sold it in Costco a couple of months ago and I went back to get some so I could spend Christmas in a drunken stupor but they didn’t have any left.
I officially hate the world
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
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It's certainly a pickle
Large parts of the GFA (strand 2) were devised based on EU membership. More importantly the ECHR (which has nothing to do with the EU) underpins dual nationality rights etc. Which the UK government also wish to rip up.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
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I’ll delve into this piece of arrogance when I stop driving
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You've been posting on JA606 whilst driving?
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Not typing but yeah it is naughty I agree
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's certainly a pickle
Large parts of the GFA (strand 2) were devised based on EU membership. More importantly the ECHR (which has nothing to do with the EU) underpins dual nationality rights etc. Which the UK government also wish to rip up.
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I think they'll end up having to amend it, just for the trade implications - how they present that will probably shape people's reactions to what they propose (i.e. not riling either community up too much). I suspect you'll lose a lot of the cross border trade that's been working nicely for years as well. Interesting times ahead.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 51 seconds ago
Is it because of brexit that I can’t get Hop House 13 anywhere?
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They discontinued it in the UK because sales slumped in the pandemic. I was pretty gutted when I found out.
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This is a travesty. They sold it in Costco a couple of months ago and I went back to get some so I could spend Christmas in a drunken stupor but they didn’t have any left.
I officially hate the world
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Yeah I found out in the summer when I went to a BBQ and fancied taking some Hop House. I went to a few supermarkets looking for it before googling it and finding out.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's certainly a pickle
Large parts of the GFA (strand 2) were devised based on EU membership. More importantly the ECHR (which has nothing to do with the EU) underpins dual nationality rights etc. Which the UK government also wish to rip up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think they'll end up having to amend it, just for the trade implications - how they present that will probably shape people's reactions to what they propose (i.e. not riling either community up too much). I suspect you'll lose a lot of the cross border trade that's been working nicely for years as well. Interesting times ahead.
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It's (cross border trade) improving but for many UK SMEs it's simply no longer viable. Most notable agrifoods as the EU has strict SPS (health safety) standards, which involves a lot of red tape for third countries without preferential market access, which the UK now is.
Nevertheless new north/south supply chains have emerged, and there are (dual market) opportunities, so it's not all bad.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
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That’s a shame. Thatcher had the right idea there.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
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That’s a shame. Thatcher had the right idea there.
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Are you referring to her 83 plan for merseyside? I believe her words were, ‘I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure’
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
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Right then.
First, it was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect, I’m sure you knew that & I’m sure you can get over it.
Second, it is hardly contentious to believe that we would have done the same as every single member did. How many times have we deviated from the herd vs followed the herd when we were EU members? Count them up and let me know, cheers.
Third, the EU catch up had nothing to do with struggling supplies due to poor contracts or anything even close to being part of the EU or out of the EU. I’ve already listed what I believe to be two big factors which are that a. We went for a longer gap between doses vs most of the EU (they changed their minds on this) and we had a larger portion of the nation refusing to take or simply not taking the vaccine.
Fourth, significantly lower covid mortality rates? How do you figure that? Cases over deaths as a percentage as follows I got bored doing all the countries so I stopped after five:
UK - 1.3%
France - 1.4%
Germany - 1.55%
Spain - 1.63%
Italy - 2.52%
Perhaps you should apply a little more, how should I say it? Intellectual caution in future?
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
Should the vote have been one where you’d need at least 60% leave to make it happen?
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This
It really should have been an actual majority, not a 50/50 split. Not on something so serious.
Covid has well and truly taken the attention off of it, we certainly haven't prospered in any way shape or form since leaving, but a form of change was probably warranted imo.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
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That’s a shame. Thatcher had the right idea there.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-paid-price-margaret-thatchers-2547173.amp
Obviously not old enough to remember and not from Manchester either
Professional Manc miser Morrisey even penned a song about her and Manchester
That came quicker than I thought.
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Raphinha with you! (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
Should the vote have been one where you’d need at least 60% leave to make it happen?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This
It really should have been an actual majority, not a 50/50 split. Not on something so serious.
Covid has well and truly taken the attention off of it, we certainly haven't prospered in any way shape or form since leaving, but a form of change was probably warranted imo.
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I'd have said a simple majority of registered voters, rather than what we have now, which is seismic change voted through by a minority (just over a third) of the electorate.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Right then.
First, it was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect, I’m sure you knew that & I’m sure you can get over it.
Second, it is hardly contentious to believe that we would have done the same as every single member did. How many times have we deviated from the herd vs followed the herd when we were EU members? Count them up and let me know, cheers.
Third, the EU catch up had nothing to do with struggling supplies due to poor contracts or anything even close to being part of the EU or out of the EU. I’ve already listed what I believe to be two big factors which are that a. We went for a longer gap between doses vs most of the EU (they changed their minds on this) and we had a larger portion of the nation refusing to take or simply not taking the vaccine.
Fourth, significantly lower covid mortality rates? How do you figure that? Cases over deaths as a percentage as follows I got bored doing all the countries so I stopped after five:
UK - 1.3%
France - 1.4%
Germany - 1.55%
Spain - 1.63%
Italy - 2.52%
Perhaps you should apply a little more, how should I say it? Intellectual caution in future?
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The UK had more "opt outs" than any other member state.
Nevertheless not sure why you are persisting with this argument as we know (without any ambiguity whatsover) EU membership had absolutely no relevance or link to the UK's decision to opt out of the EU's vaccine procurement scheme.
Nadda, nothing, zilch, nowt, nil.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Right then.
First, it was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect, I’m sure you knew that & I’m sure you can get over it.
Second, it is hardly contentious to believe that we would have done the same as every single member did. How many times have we deviated from the herd vs followed the herd when we were EU members? Count them up and let me know, cheers.
Third, the EU catch up had nothing to do with struggling supplies due to poor contracts or anything even close to being part of the EU or out of the EU. I’ve already listed what I believe to be two big factors which are that a. We went for a longer gap between doses vs most of the EU (they changed their minds on this) and we had a larger portion of the nation refusing to take or simply not taking the vaccine.
Fourth, significantly lower covid mortality rates? How do you figure that? Cases over deaths as a percentage as follows I got bored doing all the countries so I stopped after five:
UK - 1.3%
France - 1.4%
Germany - 1.55%
Spain - 1.63%
Italy - 2.52%
Perhaps you should apply a little more, how should I say it? Intellectual caution in future?
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You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 minute ago
You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
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That's why no one engaged with your earlier posts.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 minute ago
You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
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That's why no one engaged with your earlier posts.
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 minute ago
You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
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That's why no one engaged with your earlier posts.
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Hilarious. What earlier posts were they?
“ You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.”
What the remain campaign strap line should’ve been.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 seconds ago
“ You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.”
What the remain campaign strap line should’ve been.
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posted on 20/12/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 51 seconds ago
Is it because of brexit that I can’t get Hop House 13 anywhere?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They discontinued it in the UK because sales slumped in the pandemic. I was pretty gutted when I found out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a travesty. They sold it in Costco a couple of months ago and I went back to get some so I could spend Christmas in a drunken stupor but they didn’t have any left.
I officially hate the world
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's certainly a pickle
Large parts of the GFA (strand 2) were devised based on EU membership. More importantly the ECHR (which has nothing to do with the EU) underpins dual nationality rights etc. Which the UK government also wish to rip up.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
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I’ll delve into this piece of arrogance when I stop driving
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You've been posting on JA606 whilst driving?
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Not typing but yeah it is naughty I agree
posted on 20/12/21
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's certainly a pickle
Large parts of the GFA (strand 2) were devised based on EU membership. More importantly the ECHR (which has nothing to do with the EU) underpins dual nationality rights etc. Which the UK government also wish to rip up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think they'll end up having to amend it, just for the trade implications - how they present that will probably shape people's reactions to what they propose (i.e. not riling either community up too much). I suspect you'll lose a lot of the cross border trade that's been working nicely for years as well. Interesting times ahead.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
posted on 20/12/21
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by devilsknight101 (U4670)
posted 51 seconds ago
Is it because of brexit that I can’t get Hop House 13 anywhere?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They discontinued it in the UK because sales slumped in the pandemic. I was pretty gutted when I found out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a travesty. They sold it in Costco a couple of months ago and I went back to get some so I could spend Christmas in a drunken stupor but they didn’t have any left.
I officially hate the world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah I found out in the summer when I went to a BBQ and fancied taking some Hop House. I went to a few supermarkets looking for it before googling it and finding out.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? What age is middle aged? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 29 seconds ago
Do people think the looming Northern Ireland border issue will eventually lead to a resurgence of the troubles there and eventually a return to the bad old days of the RA bombing mainland Britain?
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Nope.
Whilst there has been some loyalist unrest, the nationalist parties are supportive of the protocol.
It has however destabilised the peace process here, as old arguments over identity have resurfaced. And it (protocol) is likely to shape the political discourse here for a generation.
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I'm no expert, but I've read a few interesting pieces about the political implications. One is that the Good Friday Agreement promotes partnership between the UK and Ireland as ‘partners in the European Union', not sure how that's going to work.
Another one is the right of Northern Ireland’s citizens to hold British and Irish (thus EU) citizenship if they want it, again, not sure how that can work with the existing agreement.
Then there's the soft border. I don't think there's any appetite from the UK to go back to how it used to be, and I imagine that would piiiss a lot of people off anyway. No idea how they're going to sort it out without breaking something.
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It's certainly a pickle
Large parts of the GFA (strand 2) were devised based on EU membership. More importantly the ECHR (which has nothing to do with the EU) underpins dual nationality rights etc. Which the UK government also wish to rip up.
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I think they'll end up having to amend it, just for the trade implications - how they present that will probably shape people's reactions to what they propose (i.e. not riling either community up too much). I suspect you'll lose a lot of the cross border trade that's been working nicely for years as well. Interesting times ahead.
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It's (cross border trade) improving but for many UK SMEs it's simply no longer viable. Most notable agrifoods as the EU has strict SPS (health safety) standards, which involves a lot of red tape for third countries without preferential market access, which the UK now is.
Nevertheless new north/south supply chains have emerged, and there are (dual market) opportunities, so it's not all bad.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
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That’s a shame. Thatcher had the right idea there.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
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That’s a shame. Thatcher had the right idea there.
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Are you referring to her 83 plan for merseyside? I believe her words were, ‘I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure’
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
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Right then.
First, it was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect, I’m sure you knew that & I’m sure you can get over it.
Second, it is hardly contentious to believe that we would have done the same as every single member did. How many times have we deviated from the herd vs followed the herd when we were EU members? Count them up and let me know, cheers.
Third, the EU catch up had nothing to do with struggling supplies due to poor contracts or anything even close to being part of the EU or out of the EU. I’ve already listed what I believe to be two big factors which are that a. We went for a longer gap between doses vs most of the EU (they changed their minds on this) and we had a larger portion of the nation refusing to take or simply not taking the vaccine.
Fourth, significantly lower covid mortality rates? How do you figure that? Cases over deaths as a percentage as follows I got bored doing all the countries so I stopped after five:
UK - 1.3%
France - 1.4%
Germany - 1.55%
Spain - 1.63%
Italy - 2.52%
Perhaps you should apply a little more, how should I say it? Intellectual caution in future?
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
Should the vote have been one where you’d need at least 60% leave to make it happen?
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This
It really should have been an actual majority, not a 50/50 split. Not on something so serious.
Covid has well and truly taken the attention off of it, we certainly haven't prospered in any way shape or form since leaving, but a form of change was probably warranted imo.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I suspect we’ll see the break up of the Union in the next few decades.
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Any bits of it worth keeping?
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I think we’ll probably be stuck with Wales.
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And Merseyside
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That’s a shame. Thatcher had the right idea there.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-paid-price-margaret-thatchers-2547173.amp
Obviously not old enough to remember and not from Manchester either
Professional Manc miser Morrisey even penned a song about her and Manchester
posted on 20/12/21
That came quicker than I thought.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Shaun M - Everywhere you go, always take Raphinha with you! (U9955)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Labuschagne - The Ashes are gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
Should the vote have been one where you’d need at least 60% leave to make it happen?
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This
It really should have been an actual majority, not a 50/50 split. Not on something so serious.
Covid has well and truly taken the attention off of it, we certainly haven't prospered in any way shape or form since leaving, but a form of change was probably warranted imo.
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I'd have said a simple majority of registered voters, rather than what we have now, which is seismic change voted through by a minority (just over a third) of the electorate.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
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Right then.
First, it was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect, I’m sure you knew that & I’m sure you can get over it.
Second, it is hardly contentious to believe that we would have done the same as every single member did. How many times have we deviated from the herd vs followed the herd when we were EU members? Count them up and let me know, cheers.
Third, the EU catch up had nothing to do with struggling supplies due to poor contracts or anything even close to being part of the EU or out of the EU. I’ve already listed what I believe to be two big factors which are that a. We went for a longer gap between doses vs most of the EU (they changed their minds on this) and we had a larger portion of the nation refusing to take or simply not taking the vaccine.
Fourth, significantly lower covid mortality rates? How do you figure that? Cases over deaths as a percentage as follows I got bored doing all the countries so I stopped after five:
UK - 1.3%
France - 1.4%
Germany - 1.55%
Spain - 1.63%
Italy - 2.52%
Perhaps you should apply a little more, how should I say it? Intellectual caution in future?
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The UK had more "opt outs" than any other member state.
Nevertheless not sure why you are persisting with this argument as we know (without any ambiguity whatsover) EU membership had absolutely no relevance or link to the UK's decision to opt out of the EU's vaccine procurement scheme.
Nadda, nothing, zilch, nowt, nil.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
'The sun will rise tomorrow' is a poor analogy. On one hand, we're talking about an eventuality that would proceed from a cataclysmic event defying observable reality and/or the known laws of physics. On the other hand, a pragmatic decision on the part of a UK government that would be legally permissible for an EU member and would likely be politically expedient in a country where Remain had won but a large and discontented Leave constituency created pressure to demonstrate independence; it would also be very much precedented in the tradition of the UK pursuing opt-outs and a rather independent path within the EU.
It's certainly a defensible opinion that the UK would have opted in the the EU vaccine procurement scheme, but I think SatNav is displaying rather too little intellectual caution in listing this as a solid Brexit benefit (especially given the subsequent EU catch-up and significantly lower Covid mortality rates across the EU) ...and perhaps a little too much intellectual caution around the likelihood of the sun rising tomorrow.
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Right then.
First, it was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect, I’m sure you knew that & I’m sure you can get over it.
Second, it is hardly contentious to believe that we would have done the same as every single member did. How many times have we deviated from the herd vs followed the herd when we were EU members? Count them up and let me know, cheers.
Third, the EU catch up had nothing to do with struggling supplies due to poor contracts or anything even close to being part of the EU or out of the EU. I’ve already listed what I believe to be two big factors which are that a. We went for a longer gap between doses vs most of the EU (they changed their minds on this) and we had a larger portion of the nation refusing to take or simply not taking the vaccine.
Fourth, significantly lower covid mortality rates? How do you figure that? Cases over deaths as a percentage as follows I got bored doing all the countries so I stopped after five:
UK - 1.3%
France - 1.4%
Germany - 1.55%
Spain - 1.63%
Italy - 2.52%
Perhaps you should apply a little more, how should I say it? Intellectual caution in future?
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You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 minute ago
You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
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That's why no one engaged with your earlier posts.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 minute ago
You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
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That's why no one engaged with your earlier posts.
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posted on 20/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 1 minute ago
You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.
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That's why no one engaged with your earlier posts.
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Hilarious. What earlier posts were they?
posted on 20/12/21
“ You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.”
What the remain campaign strap line should’ve been.
posted on 20/12/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 seconds ago
“ You can't argue with idiots mate, just don't waste your time.”
What the remain campaign strap line should’ve been.
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nice
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