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RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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Elvis, obviously.
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 59 seconds ago
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posted 13 seconds ago
The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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Also completely untrue.
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Yeh, sounds utterly daft the more I think about it.
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Wouldn't get very far with undercover operations would they.
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Obviously they wouldnt if doing so would result in harm to an officer, but that isnt the case here is it.
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That's a weird way of saying 'actually I'm wrong again" but okay!
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Im not though and iv provided evidence supporting my position.
Iv just looked again. Given the type of case, the police would HAVE to refer to the CPS for advice. Given the CPS will have seen the case already and havent charged, it appears the police have some work to do to make a case to charge.
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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They are obliged to refer this type of case to the CPS.
If the CPS have seen the case and decided they dont (yet) have grounds to charge, thats good news for Mason.
How would United fans feel about him playing for their club again?
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Fine if he's not convicted of a criminal act.
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posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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We will have to put that to the ja public something similar to surfer of the year
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Genuine question here RDD but in your head is it everyone else marching out of step?
I do find people like you quite fascinating tbh.
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You should head over to the trump thread, stretty is on fire
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Shame I can’t comment on that thread. I assume it is the Robb one. Let me guess, Stretty is pro Trump.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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Troubling
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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Troubling
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How so?
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Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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Troubling
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How so?
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I assume you have heard the audio.
Yet you are falling over yourself to find excuses and already positing forgiveness.
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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Elvis, obviously.
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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They are obliged to refer this type of case to the CPS.
If the CPS have seen the case and decided they dont (yet) have grounds to charge, thats good news for Mason.
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They are obliged once they have undertaken their investigation and gathered their evidence. They don't just go to the CPS without collecting their evidence first.
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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Elvis, obviously.
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Decision to charge
In a criminal case, if there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction against each suspect on each charge, a decision to charge is made. Depending on the type and seriousness of the offence committed, this decision is made by the police service or the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
Referral to the CPS for pre-charge advice
Further information
Director’s Guidance on Charging 2020, 6th Edition, sections 5, 6, 7
Pre-charge referral process to the CPS
Protocol between the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Crown Prosecution Service and Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service to expedite cases involving witnesses under 10 years (2015)
For charging advice on serious, complex and contested cases, prosecutors and police officers can meet at an agreed venue. For less serious charging decisions, CPS lawyers listen to police officers’ accounts over the telephone (CPS Daytime Direct or CPS Direct) or via a secure digital service after the arrest of a suspect(s). They then decide whether there is sufficient evidence to charge a person and what that charge should be.
The CPS may require further evidence to be obtained before a charging decision can be made, or to strengthen the case to secure a successful outcome. The prosecutor will advise the police officer of the further material required. This advice will also bring an early conclusion to those cases that cannot be strengthened by further evidence.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/prosecution-and-case-management/charging-and-case-preparation/
Elvis, I don’t know why you bother trying to educate rdd. Over and over. Are you into self harm?
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posted 34 minutes ago
Elvis, I don’t know why you bother trying to educate rdd. Over and over. Are you into self harm?
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He isnt educating anyone you big.bore
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comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 34 minutes ago
Elvis, I don’t know why you bother trying to educate rdd. Over and over. Are you into self harm?
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He isnt educating anyone you big.bore
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No, certainly not you.,
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comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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They are obliged to refer this type of case to the CPS.
If the CPS have seen the case and decided they dont (yet) have grounds to charge, thats good news for Mason.
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They are obliged once they have undertaken their investigation and gathered their evidence. They don't just go to the CPS without collecting their evidence first.
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Wrong.
They are obliged to now refer serious cases to the CPS for advice re what would be required.
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Bumhole of the Bailey
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 minutes ago
Decision to charge
In a criminal case, if there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction against each suspect on each charge, a decision to charge is made. Depending on the type and seriousness of the offence committed, this decision is made by the police service or the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
Referral to the CPS for pre-charge advice
Further information
Director’s Guidance on Charging 2020, 6th Edition, sections 5, 6, 7
Pre-charge referral process to the CPS
Protocol between the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Crown Prosecution Service and Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service to expedite cases involving witnesses under 10 years (2015)
For charging advice on serious, complex and contested cases, prosecutors and police officers can meet at an agreed venue. For less serious charging decisions, CPS lawyers listen to police officers’ accounts over the telephone (CPS Daytime Direct or CPS Direct) or via a secure digital service after the arrest of a suspect(s). They then decide whether there is sufficient evidence to charge a person and what that charge should be.
The CPS may require further evidence to be obtained before a charging decision can be made, or to strengthen the case to secure a successful outcome. The prosecutor will advise the police officer of the further material required. This advice will also bring an early conclusion to those cases that cannot be strengthened by further evidence.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/prosecution-and-case-management/charging-and-case-preparation/
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Exactly. The police will have referred this case to the CPS and been told they dont yet have a case to charge.
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FFS. Which one am I?
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RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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Elvis, obviously.
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So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 13 seconds ago
The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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Also completely untrue.
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Yeh, sounds utterly daft the more I think about it.
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Wouldn't get very far with undercover operations would they.
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Obviously they wouldnt if doing so would result in harm to an officer, but that isnt the case here is it.
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That's a weird way of saying 'actually I'm wrong again" but okay!
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Im not though and iv provided evidence supporting my position.
Iv just looked again. Given the type of case, the police would HAVE to refer to the CPS for advice. Given the CPS will have seen the case already and havent charged, it appears the police have some work to do to make a case to charge.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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They are obliged to refer this type of case to the CPS.
If the CPS have seen the case and decided they dont (yet) have grounds to charge, thats good news for Mason.
posted on 1/4/22
How would United fans feel about him playing for their club again?
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Fine if he's not convicted of a criminal act.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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We will have to put that to the ja public something similar to surfer of the year
posted on 1/4/22
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Genuine question here RDD but in your head is it everyone else marching out of step?
I do find people like you quite fascinating tbh.
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You should head over to the trump thread, stretty is on fire
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Shame I can’t comment on that thread. I assume it is the Robb one. Let me guess, Stretty is pro Trump.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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Troubling
posted on 1/4/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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Troubling
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How so?
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fine.
He is young and clearly immature, but if it turns out to be nothing more than talking to her like dirt, i could forgive that as long as he learns from this.
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Troubling
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How so?
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I assume you have heard the audio.
Yet you are falling over yourself to find excuses and already positing forgiveness.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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Elvis, obviously.
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posted on 1/4/22
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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They are obliged to refer this type of case to the CPS.
If the CPS have seen the case and decided they dont (yet) have grounds to charge, thats good news for Mason.
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They are obliged once they have undertaken their investigation and gathered their evidence. They don't just go to the CPS without collecting their evidence first.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 22 minutes ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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FFS. Which one am I?
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Elvis, obviously.
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posted on 1/4/22
Decision to charge
In a criminal case, if there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction against each suspect on each charge, a decision to charge is made. Depending on the type and seriousness of the offence committed, this decision is made by the police service or the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
Referral to the CPS for pre-charge advice
Further information
Director’s Guidance on Charging 2020, 6th Edition, sections 5, 6, 7
Pre-charge referral process to the CPS
Protocol between the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Crown Prosecution Service and Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service to expedite cases involving witnesses under 10 years (2015)
For charging advice on serious, complex and contested cases, prosecutors and police officers can meet at an agreed venue. For less serious charging decisions, CPS lawyers listen to police officers’ accounts over the telephone (CPS Daytime Direct or CPS Direct) or via a secure digital service after the arrest of a suspect(s). They then decide whether there is sufficient evidence to charge a person and what that charge should be.
The CPS may require further evidence to be obtained before a charging decision can be made, or to strengthen the case to secure a successful outcome. The prosecutor will advise the police officer of the further material required. This advice will also bring an early conclusion to those cases that cannot be strengthened by further evidence.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/prosecution-and-case-management/charging-and-case-preparation/
posted on 1/4/22
Elvis, I don’t know why you bother trying to educate rdd. Over and over. Are you into self harm?
posted on 1/4/22
Bumhole of the Bailey
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 hours ago
RDD v elvis is definitely the new TOOR v Winston
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posted on 1/4/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 34 minutes ago
Elvis, I don’t know why you bother trying to educate rdd. Over and over. Are you into self harm?
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He isnt educating anyone you big.bore
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 34 minutes ago
Elvis, I don’t know why you bother trying to educate rdd. Over and over. Are you into self harm?
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He isnt educating anyone you big.bore
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No, certainly not you.,
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 16 minutes ago
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posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 16 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 22 seconds ago
So Mendy was arrested but then released without charge, until Aug 2021 when he was arrested again.
The relevence is, Greenwood will either be charged or released, as Mendy was.
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Nah that's not really how it works. Being released under investigation is relatively new and is used where the police don't feel that bail conditions are required. There is still a live investigation just as if you have been bailed. In Mason's case I would expect he was bailed due to concerns that he would try to intimidate Harriet and the police wanted those restrictions in place.
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We don't know there are any restrictions on him, although common sense would tell you to not make contact with the other party.
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He has been bailed - of course there are restrictions/conditions on him. That is the very purpose of bail as opposed to being released pending investigations.
The lad is suspected of threatening to kill Harriet. I am 99.99% sure that his bail conditions will specify that he cannot contact her. Carry on trying to pretend otherwise if you wish, but it would be absolutely mental if that isn't the case.
Either way, I am not really sure what point you think you are making anyway. We are discussing why the fact Mason hasn't yet been charged isn't necessarily a good thing for him. As we have seen with Mendy, the actual charges were not brought until a year after the initial arrest. The fact that one was released pending further investigations and the other bailed doesn't alter anything. It certainly doesn't go in Mason's favour, as the police clearly feel that the seriousness of the potential charges and evidence at hand means that Mason represents a threat to Harriet/the case. If anything, Mason being bailed rather than released pending further investigation points to him being in a more precarious situation than Mendy was.
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There are different kinds of bail. Some with conditions, others without.
We also dont know if the threats to kill were aimed at her.
The fact the police havent yet found grounds to charge him is certainly more positive than having already been charged.
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Whoever the threats to kill were made against, I am certain that a condition of his bail is to not make contact with them. Either way, its totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having. The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged as yet isn't an indication either way as to whether he will be charged eventually. As demonstrated by how Mendy's situation has panned out. It could easily be that they are building a big case against him. And like Mendy, he might actually end up facing even more charges than the 4 he is currently suspected of.
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it is relevant. I was correct. You were not.
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No, its not relevant to the discussion we were having. Just another of your usual sidesteps when you realise your point is incorrect.
The fact that Greenwood hasn't been charged yet means nothing. It could mean that the police don't have enough evidence as yet to charge him. It could mean the the case they are building is complex. It could even mean that the case is getting bigger and additional charges are going to be brought. We have no idea. What we do know is that these cases do tend to drag out for a long time.
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The police cannot sit on charges if rhey have grounds to charge, irrespective if there investigation is ongoing.
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The Police will only bring charges once the CPS are satisfied as to whether or not the evidential test is met for each and every charge. He is facing the prospect of at least 4 charges. It could be more. It could be less. But the police won't and don't have to make a decision on which charges will be brought until they have investigated each of the potential charges.
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The police must charge when they have grounds, irrespesctive of other charges being investigated.
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I don't believe that is true at all. The police could for instance have enough evidence to give them a good chance of a conviction. Do they have to stop there? Or or they able to continue investigating to improve their case? Where is the tipping point? I doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if the charges are linked. And I would think eve more so if they are looking to prove controlling and coercive behavior, which links the charges even further.
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If they grounds to charge, they should. Go and see the CPS legal guidance on charging.
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They should charge if they have sufficient evidence. It doesn't mean that they have to do it as soon as they have enough evidence but investigations are ongoing. They continue to build their case.
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They are obliged to refer this type of case to the CPS.
If the CPS have seen the case and decided they dont (yet) have grounds to charge, thats good news for Mason.
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They are obliged once they have undertaken their investigation and gathered their evidence. They don't just go to the CPS without collecting their evidence first.
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Wrong.
They are obliged to now refer serious cases to the CPS for advice re what would be required.
posted on 1/4/22
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bumhole of the Bailey
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posted on 1/4/22
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 minutes ago
Decision to charge
In a criminal case, if there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction against each suspect on each charge, a decision to charge is made. Depending on the type and seriousness of the offence committed, this decision is made by the police service or the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
Referral to the CPS for pre-charge advice
Further information
Director’s Guidance on Charging 2020, 6th Edition, sections 5, 6, 7
Pre-charge referral process to the CPS
Protocol between the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Crown Prosecution Service and Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service to expedite cases involving witnesses under 10 years (2015)
For charging advice on serious, complex and contested cases, prosecutors and police officers can meet at an agreed venue. For less serious charging decisions, CPS lawyers listen to police officers’ accounts over the telephone (CPS Daytime Direct or CPS Direct) or via a secure digital service after the arrest of a suspect(s). They then decide whether there is sufficient evidence to charge a person and what that charge should be.
The CPS may require further evidence to be obtained before a charging decision can be made, or to strengthen the case to secure a successful outcome. The prosecutor will advise the police officer of the further material required. This advice will also bring an early conclusion to those cases that cannot be strengthened by further evidence.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/prosecution-and-case-management/charging-and-case-preparation/
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Exactly. The police will have referred this case to the CPS and been told they dont yet have a case to charge.
posted on 1/4/22
Again, nonsense.
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