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Based on what we currently know, how can you possibly say this with such certainty?
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Because I’ve seen the pictures and heard the recording. So have millions around the world. That’ll be more than enough for the club to avoid further reputational damage by continuing to employ him. Manchester United are a poorly run club, but one thing they know well is PR.
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And you know for certain that the injuries in the photos were caused by Greenwood? You know for certain that the recording was of him attempting to rape her and not just acting like an angry entitled p***k?
I only ask because the CPS clearly don't
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I’ll refer you to my earlier post:
Bringing the club into disrepute. Manchester United do not need the same burden of proof, to cancel the contract of an employee, as the CPS do to go ahead with criminal proceedings.
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I would completely agree with you if we knew he'd done anything wrong. My point really is that we don't know if he has, so to say with certainty that he'll never play for the club again seems a bit premature
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It’s really not. If you want to bury your head in the sand then that’s up to you.
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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“And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed…”
What, sorry?
You’ve read his contract have you?
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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You don't think that the recording brings the reputation of the club into disrepute?
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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“And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed…”
What, sorry?
You’ve read his contract have you?
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I read that the disrepute clause is standard across all footballers' contracts in the UK.
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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“And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed…”
What, sorry?
You’ve read his contract have you?
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He has denied all charges and there is going to be no trial. In the eyes of the law he will be innocent.
It's very murky waters to sack somebody over a social media post. Clearly you have no experience of employment law.
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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
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Based on what we currently know, how can you possibly say this with such certainty?
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Because I’ve seen the pictures and heard the recording. So have millions around the world. That’ll be more than enough for the club to avoid further reputational damage by continuing to employ him. Manchester United are a poorly run club, but one thing they know well is PR.
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And you know for certain that the injuries in the photos were caused by Greenwood? You know for certain that the recording was of him attempting to rape her and not just acting like an angry entitled p***k?
I only ask because the CPS clearly don't
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I’ll refer you to my earlier post:
Bringing the club into disrepute. Manchester United do not need the same burden of proof, to cancel the contract of an employee, as the CPS do to go ahead with criminal proceedings.
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I would completely agree with you if we knew he'd done anything wrong. My point really is that we don't know if he has, so to say with certainty that he'll never play for the club again seems a bit premature
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It’s really not. If you want to bury your head in the sand then that’s up to you.
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Ok, agree to disagree. Personally I like to know the full facts before making decisions
Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
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Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
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I'm saying he would win it which is why it won't come to that. They will find another path like a loan away possibly.
If Greenwood had any sense he'd agree to a mutual termination. Do that and express sincere remorse and he could still have a decent future in the game. If he doesn't then he could face having more bad PR plastered across the media.
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
If Greenwood had any sense he'd agree to a mutual termination. Do that and express sincere remorse and he could still have a decent future in the game. If he doesn't then he could face having more bad PR plastered across the media.
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You're probably right. It's a mess though and one we could do without.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
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I'm saying he would win it which is why it won't come to that. They will find another path like a loan away possibly.
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I don't think he would win it.
Does the audio recording bring the reputation of the club and football in general into disrepute? Of course it does. Otherwise there wouldn't be any uproar. We have already seen Mason dumped by numerous sponsors. Why do you think they have done that before the legal system ran its course? Because being linked to him damages their reputation.
I'm saying he would win it
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Don't be so daft.
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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
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Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
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I'm saying he would win it which is why it won't come to that. They will find another path like a loan away possibly.
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I know you are, but your reasoning is flawed.
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
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I don't think that it is possible to be wrong about not liking men who abuse women. Only way Mason gets a pass off most right thinking people is if it is confirmed that this was some kind of setup or role play.
Is he responsible for its creation or release?
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posted 39 seconds ago
I'm saying he would win it
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Don't be so daft.
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He denied all charges and they are dropping the case. I think he'd have a very good case whether you like it or not. That's how the law works. You can't be convicted over twitter.
But like I said I think there will be an alternative path taken anyway.
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Is he responsible for its creation or release?
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That doesn't matter.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
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The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
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I don't think that it is possible to be wrong about not liking men who abuse women. Only way Mason gets a pass off most right thinking people is if it is confirmed that this was some kind of setup or role play.
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But we arent going to get that confirmation, so you have to go on what we know.
The witness isn't pursuing it.
The evidence isn't enough to convict on any charge.
Can you take this and concede he MIGHT not be guilty?
Can’t see how he’d win on appeal if you do decide to terminate m, you’ve got a years worth of proof already about reputational damage.
You can certainly lose your job over things on Twitter. Manchester United are not the CPS, they don’t need the same burden of proof. How are you finding this so difficult to understand?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 39 seconds ago
I'm saying he would win it
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Don't be so daft.
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He denied all charges and they are dropping the case. I think he'd have a very good case whether you like it or not. That's how the law works. You can't be convicted over twitter.
But like I said I think there will be an alternative path taken anyway.
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I think that the contract will be mutually terminated to avoid too much fuss. But I still think the club has good grounds to terminate his contract.
i think it's safe to assume that se85 knows absolutely nothing about either uk employment law or the finer details of greenwood's contract.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
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I don't think that it is possible to be wrong about not liking men who abuse women. Only way Mason gets a pass off most right thinking people is if it is confirmed that this was some kind of setup or role play.
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But we arent going to get that confirmation, so you have to go on what we know.
The witness isn't pursuing it.
The evidence isn't enough to convict on any charge.
Can you take this and concede he MIGHT not be guilty?
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I have always conceded that. If you hadn't been banned you'd be aware of that.
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comment by Cheeser (U1422)
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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
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comment by Cheeser (U1422)
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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Based on what we currently know, how can you possibly say this with such certainty?
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Because I’ve seen the pictures and heard the recording. So have millions around the world. That’ll be more than enough for the club to avoid further reputational damage by continuing to employ him. Manchester United are a poorly run club, but one thing they know well is PR.
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And you know for certain that the injuries in the photos were caused by Greenwood? You know for certain that the recording was of him attempting to rape her and not just acting like an angry entitled p***k?
I only ask because the CPS clearly don't
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I’ll refer you to my earlier post:
Bringing the club into disrepute. Manchester United do not need the same burden of proof, to cancel the contract of an employee, as the CPS do to go ahead with criminal proceedings.
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I would completely agree with you if we knew he'd done anything wrong. My point really is that we don't know if he has, so to say with certainty that he'll never play for the club again seems a bit premature
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It’s really not. If you want to bury your head in the sand then that’s up to you.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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“And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed…”
What, sorry?
You’ve read his contract have you?
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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You don't think that the recording brings the reputation of the club into disrepute?
posted on 2/2/23
Club needs to bin him
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comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
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Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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“And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed…”
What, sorry?
You’ve read his contract have you?
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I read that the disrepute clause is standard across all footballers' contracts in the UK.
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comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
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posted 1 minute ago
Even if they can’t sack him, they fan mutually agree to terminate his contract.
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They can but he'd have to agree to that too and why would he do that unless he had huge offers lined up?
Like I said this is complex. I think we might end up loaning him out to Turkey or somewhere like that.
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Because it’s the only way he comes away with any money. They can also buy out his contract. Getting rid of him won’t be difficult.
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They can buy him out for sure. They'd have to pay his entire contract up and then he can leave.
Is that likely to happen? Not so sure. Liverpool didn't sack Suarez after being found guilty of racism and GBH on a football pitch twice.
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No I don’t. I think they’ll terminate his contract for bringing the club into disrepute. But you seem to be under the impression that the club will have difficulty getting rid of him, they won’t there’s plenty of avenues they can go down to achieve that.
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And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed and that would probably cost us millions more.
It will need to be mutual for him to just leave. I really don't think he will be sacked as he denied everything and hasn't been prosecuted.
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“And he'd win an appeal for unfair dismissal with his eyes closed…”
What, sorry?
You’ve read his contract have you?
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He has denied all charges and there is going to be no trial. In the eyes of the law he will be innocent.
It's very murky waters to sack somebody over a social media post. Clearly you have no experience of employment law.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cheeser (U1422)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Cheeser (U1422)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Based on what we currently know, how can you possibly say this with such certainty?
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Because I’ve seen the pictures and heard the recording. So have millions around the world. That’ll be more than enough for the club to avoid further reputational damage by continuing to employ him. Manchester United are a poorly run club, but one thing they know well is PR.
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And you know for certain that the injuries in the photos were caused by Greenwood? You know for certain that the recording was of him attempting to rape her and not just acting like an angry entitled p***k?
I only ask because the CPS clearly don't
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I’ll refer you to my earlier post:
Bringing the club into disrepute. Manchester United do not need the same burden of proof, to cancel the contract of an employee, as the CPS do to go ahead with criminal proceedings.
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I would completely agree with you if we knew he'd done anything wrong. My point really is that we don't know if he has, so to say with certainty that he'll never play for the club again seems a bit premature
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It’s really not. If you want to bury your head in the sand then that’s up to you.
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Ok, agree to disagree. Personally I like to know the full facts before making decisions
posted on 2/2/23
Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
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I'm saying he would win it which is why it won't come to that. They will find another path like a loan away possibly.
posted on 2/2/23
If Greenwood had any sense he'd agree to a mutual termination. Do that and express sincere remorse and he could still have a decent future in the game. If he doesn't then he could face having more bad PR plastered across the media.
posted on 2/2/23
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 18 seconds ago
If Greenwood had any sense he'd agree to a mutual termination. Do that and express sincere remorse and he could still have a decent future in the game. If he doesn't then he could face having more bad PR plastered across the media.
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You're probably right. It's a mess though and one we could do without.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
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I'm saying he would win it which is why it won't come to that. They will find another path like a loan away possibly.
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I don't think he would win it.
Does the audio recording bring the reputation of the club and football in general into disrepute? Of course it does. Otherwise there wouldn't be any uproar. We have already seen Mason dumped by numerous sponsors. Why do you think they have done that before the legal system ran its course? Because being linked to him damages their reputation.
posted on 2/2/23
I'm saying he would win it
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Don't be so daft.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
Just wait until sponsors start distancing themselves from the club. You think Greenwood’s going to win appeal for unfair dismissal when that happens?
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I'm saying he would win it which is why it won't come to that. They will find another path like a loan away possibly.
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I know you are, but your reasoning is flawed.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
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I don't think that it is possible to be wrong about not liking men who abuse women. Only way Mason gets a pass off most right thinking people is if it is confirmed that this was some kind of setup or role play.
posted on 2/2/23
Is he responsible for its creation or release?
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 39 seconds ago
I'm saying he would win it
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Don't be so daft.
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He denied all charges and they are dropping the case. I think he'd have a very good case whether you like it or not. That's how the law works. You can't be convicted over twitter.
But like I said I think there will be an alternative path taken anyway.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
Is he responsible for its creation or release?
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That doesn't matter.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
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I don't think that it is possible to be wrong about not liking men who abuse women. Only way Mason gets a pass off most right thinking people is if it is confirmed that this was some kind of setup or role play.
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But we arent going to get that confirmation, so you have to go on what we know.
The witness isn't pursuing it.
The evidence isn't enough to convict on any charge.
Can you take this and concede he MIGHT not be guilty?
posted on 2/2/23
Can’t see how he’d win on appeal if you do decide to terminate m, you’ve got a years worth of proof already about reputational damage.
posted on 2/2/23
You can certainly lose your job over things on Twitter. Manchester United are not the CPS, they don’t need the same burden of proof. How are you finding this so difficult to understand?
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 39 seconds ago
I'm saying he would win it
.............
Don't be so daft.
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He denied all charges and they are dropping the case. I think he'd have a very good case whether you like it or not. That's how the law works. You can't be convicted over twitter.
But like I said I think there will be an alternative path taken anyway.
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I think that the contract will be mutually terminated to avoid too much fuss. But I still think the club has good grounds to terminate his contract.
posted on 2/2/23
i think it's safe to assume that se85 knows absolutely nothing about either uk employment law or the finer details of greenwood's contract.
posted on 2/2/23
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Rdd is back (U22942)
posted 2 minutes ago
The 'witnesses' arent interested in pursuing the case.
The evidence isnt grounds to proceed to trial.
The kid has never admitted to any of the charges.
I find it bizarre that so many United fans are getting so upset at the suggestion that 1 of our young players, found guilty of nothing, be given a second chance.
The motivation can only be to avoid considering that they were wrong on this subject.
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I don't think that it is possible to be wrong about not liking men who abuse women. Only way Mason gets a pass off most right thinking people is if it is confirmed that this was some kind of setup or role play.
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But we arent going to get that confirmation, so you have to go on what we know.
The witness isn't pursuing it.
The evidence isn't enough to convict on any charge.
Can you take this and concede he MIGHT not be guilty?
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I have always conceded that. If you hadn't been banned you'd be aware of that.
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