Can't believe she ran in there with a knife with the sole intention of raiding his whole shop and ruining his life just because she hates Asians.
I do feel that choking her out for being black was a bit far but equally she shouldn't have beaten him up after for being Asian and male.
If he had a gun this then this all would have been fine cos he could have shot her for taking a packet of crisps and she would have deserved to die.
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
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Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
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She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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She was, there is video of it and even the shopkeeper said she should not have done it.
He also said if it was his daughter/mother he would be equally upset.
He also said he is not pressing charges. But go off
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also can someone explain what type of protest we should brand this, as hundreds of black people complaining about racism and white supremacy only sounds like one type of protest to me
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BLM = Police Brutality
Protests against racism usually only trigger racists
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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Excessive force?
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
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She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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She was, there is video of it and even the shopkeeper said she should not have done it.
He also said if it was his daughter/mother he would be equally upset.
He also said he is not pressing charges. But go off
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*he should not have done it.
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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She didn't beat the sh!t out of him either but in the OP...
BLM stands for Black Lives Matter
When a group of black people get together holding signs reading “Black Lives Matter” and “Racist Out” then it’s pretty clear what the protest is about
Also he did not strangle her, he restrained her with his arm for a matter of seconds, if that horrible racist biiitch was really strangled, she would know about it
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
BLM stands for Black Lives Matter
When a group of black people get together holding signs reading “Black Lives Matter” and “Racist Out” then it’s pretty clear what the protest is about
Also he did not strangle her, he restrained her with his arm for a matter of seconds, if that horrible racist biiitch was really strangled, she would know about it
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Black Lives Matter is about police brutality. That is where it came from.
I would love to restrain you around your neck and see how much you enjoy it.
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
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After he had assaulted her. 5'3" 7 stone against that big pr!k Just fvk off.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 54 seconds ago
All ethnic groups are involved in shoplifting these days across the country.
One thing that gets me is how the narrative has changed. The woman did not enter that shop to steal. Instead, she wanted a refund for a faulty product. The shop owner refused. The woman then proceeded to grab some items to compensate for her money.
This is not your typical shoplifting happening across the country.
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No it’s not the same as what is happening a lot in the country, at all. Legally it is still theft though and if she had acted like a proper person, with respect and courtesy, she could have chosen replacement products and left the shop normally.
Instead, she decided to decide herself what is fair and what isn’t. Which is totally unacceptable.
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You phrased your response to make the woman look bad. But you were not there though.
I could equally state that the woman was justified in her actions because the shopkeeper who sold a broken product to a customer, refused to exchange the product but instead, proceeded to choke the woman for her protests.
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She wanted a refund which they do not offer. She was offered an exchange or store credit which she refused to accept and took it upon herself to do what she thought was fair.
As I said, a normal person would choose equivalent products and leave the shop peacefully.
She chose otherwise…
didnt want store credit, then proceeded to try and steal stuff
what
If you justify violence against women in any guise, always remember that a woman close to you could become victim some day.
I saw a young guy harass a lady on the tube the other day. All the men in that carriage just looked away. I had to step in because I don't want a country where women will feel threatened by anyone anywhere.
If that woman attacked by the shopkeeper was my relative, I would pay the shopkeeper a visit and give him the opportunity to choke me as well.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 54 seconds ago
All ethnic groups are involved in shoplifting these days across the country.
One thing that gets me is how the narrative has changed. The woman did not enter that shop to steal. Instead, she wanted a refund for a faulty product. The shop owner refused. The woman then proceeded to grab some items to compensate for her money.
This is not your typical shoplifting happening across the country.
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No it’s not the same as what is happening a lot in the country, at all. Legally it is still theft though and if she had acted like a proper person, with respect and courtesy, she could have chosen replacement products and left the shop normally.
Instead, she decided to decide herself what is fair and what isn’t. Which is totally unacceptable.
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Maybe she wasnt aware of their policy regarding returns. Is it posted at check out or on reciepts, or is it just put in place if he doesn't like a customer's face/attitude?
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Regardless, a proper person would act properly. If you think you are being discriminated against, you call the police. If you think you are being mistreated as a consumer, you call the authorities.
Would you just help yourself to items in the shop? I don’t think you would mate. You would likely exchange the products and vow never to shop there again.
so a woman walked up to you and smashed you repeatedly in the face with a brick and youd do nothing?
ite
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
If you justify violence against women in any guise, always remember that a woman close to you could become victim some day.
I saw a young guy harass a lady on the tube the other day. All the men in that carriage just looked away. I had to step in because I don't want a country where women will feel threatened by anyone anywhere.
If that woman attacked by the shopkeeper was my relative, I would pay the shopkeeper a visit and give him the opportunity to choke me as well.
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Then you would be just as daft as she was, perhaps more. You have to let the authorities deal with things. It is not for you to take the law into your own hands.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
Regardless, a proper person would act properly. If you think you are being discriminated against, you call the police. If you think you are being mistreated as a consumer, you call the authorities.
Would you just help yourself to items in the shop? I don’t think you would mate. You would likely exchange the products and vow never to shop there again.
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I see your point. People tend to react to situations differently. Hind sight is always a wonderful thing.
Bottom line is that the lady did not walk into that shop with the primary intention to STEAL. She would have walked away quietly if she felt she was treated respectfully by the shopkeeper. Heck, they may even know each other before the incident.
Her actions could be borne out of frustration (not justifying it).
But to choke her like that is never acceptable in my book.
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
so a woman walked up to you and smashed you repeatedly in the face with a brick and youd do nothing?
ite
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I don't know the world you live in.
But in my world, women don't just walk to random dudes and smash their faces with bricks.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
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After he had assaulted her. 5'3" 7 stone against that big pr!kJust fvk off.
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I would love if you had to ensure what he did. Would be deserved
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
Regardless, a proper person would act properly. If you think you are being discriminated against, you call the police. If you think you are being mistreated as a consumer, you call the authorities.
Would you just help yourself to items in the shop? I don’t think you would mate. You would likely exchange the products and vow never to shop there again.
----------------------------------------------------
I see your point. People tend to react to situations differently. Hind sight is always a wonderful thing.
Bottom line is that the lady did not walk into that shop with the primary intention to STEAL. She would have walked away quietly if she felt she was treated respectfully by the shopkeeper. Heck, they may even know each other before the incident.
Her actions could be borne out of frustration (not justifying it).
But to choke her like that is never acceptable in my book.
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Yeah she wasn’t shoplifting, clearly.
And you’re right in that we don’t know exactly what was said just before, attitude, tone, previous encounters.
The shopkeeper regret putting his hand on her throat but I genuinely don’t think he was trying to choke her. His actions before and shortly thereafter were clearly just trying to detain her.
People are so mouthy and entitled these days (shopkeeper or the woman), I really don’t get why civility has stopped being promoted in this country. It was a cornerstone of what it is to be British.
If both parties acted civilly then none of this would have happened.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
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After he had assaulted her. 5'3" 7 stone against that big pr!kJust fvk off.
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There's some right nut job extreme left wing activists on the internet but you take the cake as the biggest one.
He only grabbed her because she tried to steal from his shop, but all you see is 'woman' and 'black' therefore victim so must be innocent.
The law states that a person can use reasonable force to protect himself, others for whom he is responsible and his property.
Reasonable force is not defined but in this instance not only did his actions not lead to injury, if has also been deemed with be within these bounds by the Police.
If someone walked into my house and started helping themselves to stuff, i wouldn't consider the actions used by this shop keeper to be OTT in protecting my stuff.
It was probably more force than needed to achieve the desired affect, but it was not soo severe to lead to injuries.
I always feel a sense that people should be responsible for their actions. I dont think anyone can be surprised if someone uses force to try to restrain them when you are doing them wrong. To a degree, you forego your rights to considerate treatment if you are going to act like this. There is a line and she crossed it while he got bloody close to it in the way he responded.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 minutes ago
If you justify violence against women in any guise, always remember that a woman close to you could become victim some day.
I saw a young guy harass a lady on the tube the other day. All the men in that carriage just looked away. I had to step in because I don't want a country where women will feel threatened by anyone anywhere.
If that woman attacked by the shopkeeper was my relative, I would pay the shopkeeper a visit and give him the opportunity to choke me as well.
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its all about equality.
comment by Anfield RAP (U22951)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
A good business will factor loss of a percentage of products to shoplifting and damage into their business plan and cover it/reduce/mitigate the risk appropriately anyway.
Albeit that's much easier for larger stores to do than small independents but shoplifting isn't a new phenomenon or an unknown risk.
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comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 15 minutes ago
so a woman walked up to you and smashed you repeatedly in the face with a brick and youd do nothing?
ite
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"call the police im being stabbed, I can't find back due to being accused of vigilantism"
This thread is silly. It's butterfly effect for me, don't shoplift in this guys store and none of this happens.
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posted on 14/9/23
Can't believe she ran in there with a knife with the sole intention of raiding his whole shop and ruining his life just because she hates Asians.
I do feel that choking her out for being black was a bit far but equally she shouldn't have beaten him up after for being Asian and male.
If he had a gun this then this all would have been fine cos he could have shot her for taking a packet of crisps and she would have deserved to die.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She was, there is video of it and even the shopkeeper said she should not have done it.
He also said if it was his daughter/mother he would be equally upset.
He also said he is not pressing charges. But go off
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also can someone explain what type of protest we should brand this, as hundreds of black people complaining about racism and white supremacy only sounds like one type of protest to me
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BLM = Police Brutality
Protests against racism usually only trigger racists
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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Excessive force?
posted on 14/9/23
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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She was, there is video of it and even the shopkeeper said she should not have done it.
He also said if it was his daughter/mother he would be equally upset.
He also said he is not pressing charges. But go off
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*he should not have done it.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
The British Retail Consortium stated that current levels of shoplifting in the UK are at record levels. If everyone who tried to steal from retailers were assaulted by them, the police would not be able to cope.
Whilst the lady had no right to help herself as she felt aggrieved by the actions of the retailer, attempting to restrain her was hardly the actions of a responsible business owner. Understand the customer was also cautioned on suspicion of assault.
To characterise the subsequent protest by the local community as 'BLM' seems to be wide of the mark, as couldn't see anywhere (reputable) reporting that was the case.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post.
Some here believe that it was appropriate she was choked/strangled.
The link to BLM is just idiotic and threads like this help me form opinions about posters on this ste.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She wasn’t strangled but you keep floating in that bubble of yours
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She didn't beat the sh!t out of him either but in the OP...
posted on 14/9/23
BLM stands for Black Lives Matter
When a group of black people get together holding signs reading “Black Lives Matter” and “Racist Out” then it’s pretty clear what the protest is about
Also he did not strangle her, he restrained her with his arm for a matter of seconds, if that horrible racist biiitch was really strangled, she would know about it
posted on 14/9/23
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
BLM stands for Black Lives Matter
When a group of black people get together holding signs reading “Black Lives Matter” and “Racist Out” then it’s pretty clear what the protest is about
Also he did not strangle her, he restrained her with his arm for a matter of seconds, if that horrible racist biiitch was really strangled, she would know about it
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Black Lives Matter is about police brutality. That is where it came from.
I would love to restrain you around your neck and see how much you enjoy it.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
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After he had assaulted her. 5'3" 7 stone against that big pr!k Just fvk off.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 54 seconds ago
All ethnic groups are involved in shoplifting these days across the country.
One thing that gets me is how the narrative has changed. The woman did not enter that shop to steal. Instead, she wanted a refund for a faulty product. The shop owner refused. The woman then proceeded to grab some items to compensate for her money.
This is not your typical shoplifting happening across the country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it’s not the same as what is happening a lot in the country, at all. Legally it is still theft though and if she had acted like a proper person, with respect and courtesy, she could have chosen replacement products and left the shop normally.
Instead, she decided to decide herself what is fair and what isn’t. Which is totally unacceptable.
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You phrased your response to make the woman look bad. But you were not there though.
I could equally state that the woman was justified in her actions because the shopkeeper who sold a broken product to a customer, refused to exchange the product but instead, proceeded to choke the woman for her protests.
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She wanted a refund which they do not offer. She was offered an exchange or store credit which she refused to accept and took it upon herself to do what she thought was fair.
As I said, a normal person would choose equivalent products and leave the shop peacefully.
She chose otherwise…
posted on 14/9/23
didnt want store credit, then proceeded to try and steal stuff
what
posted on 14/9/23
If you justify violence against women in any guise, always remember that a woman close to you could become victim some day.
I saw a young guy harass a lady on the tube the other day. All the men in that carriage just looked away. I had to step in because I don't want a country where women will feel threatened by anyone anywhere.
If that woman attacked by the shopkeeper was my relative, I would pay the shopkeeper a visit and give him the opportunity to choke me as well.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 54 seconds ago
All ethnic groups are involved in shoplifting these days across the country.
One thing that gets me is how the narrative has changed. The woman did not enter that shop to steal. Instead, she wanted a refund for a faulty product. The shop owner refused. The woman then proceeded to grab some items to compensate for her money.
This is not your typical shoplifting happening across the country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it’s not the same as what is happening a lot in the country, at all. Legally it is still theft though and if she had acted like a proper person, with respect and courtesy, she could have chosen replacement products and left the shop normally.
Instead, she decided to decide herself what is fair and what isn’t. Which is totally unacceptable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe she wasnt aware of their policy regarding returns. Is it posted at check out or on reciepts, or is it just put in place if he doesn't like a customer's face/attitude?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regardless, a proper person would act properly. If you think you are being discriminated against, you call the police. If you think you are being mistreated as a consumer, you call the authorities.
Would you just help yourself to items in the shop? I don’t think you would mate. You would likely exchange the products and vow never to shop there again.
posted on 14/9/23
so a woman walked up to you and smashed you repeatedly in the face with a brick and youd do nothing?
ite
posted on 14/9/23
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
If you justify violence against women in any guise, always remember that a woman close to you could become victim some day.
I saw a young guy harass a lady on the tube the other day. All the men in that carriage just looked away. I had to step in because I don't want a country where women will feel threatened by anyone anywhere.
If that woman attacked by the shopkeeper was my relative, I would pay the shopkeeper a visit and give him the opportunity to choke me as well.
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Then you would be just as daft as she was, perhaps more. You have to let the authorities deal with things. It is not for you to take the law into your own hands.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
Regardless, a proper person would act properly. If you think you are being discriminated against, you call the police. If you think you are being mistreated as a consumer, you call the authorities.
Would you just help yourself to items in the shop? I don’t think you would mate. You would likely exchange the products and vow never to shop there again.
----------------------------------------------------
I see your point. People tend to react to situations differently. Hind sight is always a wonderful thing.
Bottom line is that the lady did not walk into that shop with the primary intention to STEAL. She would have walked away quietly if she felt she was treated respectfully by the shopkeeper. Heck, they may even know each other before the incident.
Her actions could be borne out of frustration (not justifying it).
But to choke her like that is never acceptable in my book.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
so a woman walked up to you and smashed you repeatedly in the face with a brick and youd do nothing?
ite
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I don't know the world you live in.
But in my world, women don't just walk to random dudes and smash their faces with bricks.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
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After he had assaulted her. 5'3" 7 stone against that big pr!kJust fvk off.
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I would love if you had to ensure what he did. Would be deserved
posted on 14/9/23
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
Regardless, a proper person would act properly. If you think you are being discriminated against, you call the police. If you think you are being mistreated as a consumer, you call the authorities.
Would you just help yourself to items in the shop? I don’t think you would mate. You would likely exchange the products and vow never to shop there again.
----------------------------------------------------
I see your point. People tend to react to situations differently. Hind sight is always a wonderful thing.
Bottom line is that the lady did not walk into that shop with the primary intention to STEAL. She would have walked away quietly if she felt she was treated respectfully by the shopkeeper. Heck, they may even know each other before the incident.
Her actions could be borne out of frustration (not justifying it).
But to choke her like that is never acceptable in my book.
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Yeah she wasn’t shoplifting, clearly.
And you’re right in that we don’t know exactly what was said just before, attitude, tone, previous encounters.
The shopkeeper regret putting his hand on her throat but I genuinely don’t think he was trying to choke her. His actions before and shortly thereafter were clearly just trying to detain her.
People are so mouthy and entitled these days (shopkeeper or the woman), I really don’t get why civility has stopped being promoted in this country. It was a cornerstone of what it is to be British.
If both parties acted civilly then none of this would have happened.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 4 seconds ago
Wtf how did she not beat the shiiiit out of him? She relentlessly assaulted him with weapons even when he tried to walk away from the situation. It was uncomfortable to watch
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After he had assaulted her. 5'3" 7 stone against that big pr!kJust fvk off.
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There's some right nut job extreme left wing activists on the internet but you take the cake as the biggest one.
He only grabbed her because she tried to steal from his shop, but all you see is 'woman' and 'black' therefore victim so must be innocent.
posted on 14/9/23
The law states that a person can use reasonable force to protect himself, others for whom he is responsible and his property.
Reasonable force is not defined but in this instance not only did his actions not lead to injury, if has also been deemed with be within these bounds by the Police.
If someone walked into my house and started helping themselves to stuff, i wouldn't consider the actions used by this shop keeper to be OTT in protecting my stuff.
It was probably more force than needed to achieve the desired affect, but it was not soo severe to lead to injuries.
I always feel a sense that people should be responsible for their actions. I dont think anyone can be surprised if someone uses force to try to restrain them when you are doing them wrong. To a degree, you forego your rights to considerate treatment if you are going to act like this. There is a line and she crossed it while he got bloody close to it in the way he responded.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 minutes ago
If you justify violence against women in any guise, always remember that a woman close to you could become victim some day.
I saw a young guy harass a lady on the tube the other day. All the men in that carriage just looked away. I had to step in because I don't want a country where women will feel threatened by anyone anywhere.
If that woman attacked by the shopkeeper was my relative, I would pay the shopkeeper a visit and give him the opportunity to choke me as well.
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its all about equality.
posted on 14/9/23
comment by Anfield RAP (U22951)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
A good business will factor loss of a percentage of products to shoplifting and damage into their business plan and cover it/reduce/mitigate the risk appropriately anyway.
Albeit that's much easier for larger stores to do than small independents but shoplifting isn't a new phenomenon or an unknown risk.
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posted on 14/9/23
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 15 minutes ago
so a woman walked up to you and smashed you repeatedly in the face with a brick and youd do nothing?
ite
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"call the police im being stabbed, I can't find back due to being accused of vigilantism"
This thread is silly. It's butterfly effect for me, don't shoplift in this guys store and none of this happens.
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