Love to read a case study on Brighton, it's ownership structure, the DOF and the blueprint he operates to run the entire football division from recruitment to youth to first team.
The blueprint is the most important, that makes the DOF the most pivotal role at the club. Get that right and the rest should follow. The age of the football manager running everything is no more and outdated.
Brighton also have a special software that identifies players with potential. Their recruitment is highly data driven.
I wonder what Murtough uses?! 😆
I do think de zerbi is on a whole different level to potter.
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
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Because the Glazers have put in a corporate structure with really poor management that okays deals that are commercially more appealing first. These guys also don't know how much to pay or how to negotiate. Overpaying for players, paying players insane fees and salaries. Bringing stars when hard workers were needed - Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani. Not investing in scouting network. Overriding manager to buy stars. Making United vulnerable to be exploited by selling teams, agents, and players. In the end, the manager ends up still with round pegs for square holes.
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And all those previous managers were sh!!!t.
Moyes, awful
Jose, awful, and sacked from Spurs for being awful after being sacked by United.
Ole, had us playing entertaining football for about 1.5 years but after a while the team just stopped playing for him. Still, nowhere near good enough a manager for us.
LVG - probably the only manager we have had post SAF that has properly implemented an actual style of play, albeit a tad boring, at least he had a clear style/plan.
You can argue it's the boards fault for getting in sh!!!!t managers every time, but now we have a supposedly good manager, what's the excuse now?
He's got everything he wanted in terms of transfers.
He has no clear style of play.
We don't control games, our players look like pub team players sometimes.
That ain't on the board.
If LVG can implement a style of play, one that has the team pressing and passing well, why can't Eth? That is what he promised.
LVG had fellaini playing one touch football ffs so the excuse of Eth not having good enough players is simply a cop out excuse.
What are you saying exactly? That allowing Eth to bring in the players he wanted was the wrong choice?
I can guarantee that SAF would have these d!ckhead players playing better than this. He simply wouldn't let them get away with it as much as they do.
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
And yes, allowing any one manager to sign whoever they wish is idiocy. Absolutely
Get rid of this manager and we continue to stumble about in the darkness.
Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results, isn't that a famous quote or saying or something?
Let's try... getting rid of the owners, maybe something will change a little more than when we change the managers? Has anyone considered that?
The Glazers are leaches & senior management are so poor so yes the structure is a big issue.
However its too easy to blame that for what is happening on the pitch- the players we buy are the managers choice, if they start or not is the managers choice, the formation & tactics are the managers choice, motivating the team is the managers responsibility etc etc. We have used more
Money than anyone to influence what happens on the pitch but the managers & players are failing.
It’s quite simple really. The Glazer’s aren’t reliant on on field success to achieve their own aims, you’re a money making machine whatever happens. Whilst other clubs need success to build up a fanbase, it doesn’t matter to the Glazers if United never gain another fan.
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
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You could have said the same thing about Ten Hag at certain points last season. Ange could be in his honeymoon period/new manager bounce. Let's wait and see if it's the real deal or paper tiger.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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Your head’s in the sand, Ali
You can’t blame your owners for your manage being inept tactically.
You can’t blame your owners for the fact you seem to endlessly point players with terrible attitudes on a pedestal like Bruno
You can’t blame your owners for siging Jason Sancho and ruining his career.
What’s happening on the pitch is far worse than the amount of money your owners are investing in the playing staff which by the way is the most in world football.
There is definitely a recruitment strategy issue at United, constant changing of managers will do that of course but overall United just don’t buy top quality in their prime anymore.
£150m on Sancho and Anthony - Sancho to be fair has the potential, Anthony never did, massively overpaid for a so so player.
Even Hojlund, decent young striker but not a patch on the likes of Haaland, Alvarez and Salah - City and Liverpool are the clubs United are supposed to be competing against. You just seem to buy from the second tier these days rather than the top.
No stars really coming through at United either from the youth ranks despite Hannibal’s goal yesterday.
Onana is terribly average, Reguilon is awful - he will be back with spurs in Jan and binned off to a La Liga club on loan.
Mason “£20m more than Maddison” Mount is shiete.
That’s Uniteds biggest failing - how many very successful signings have you had since Bruno? The only one I can think of is Casemiro year one, but he can’t cover central midfield single handedly anymore
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Robb, that's not sustainable and you know it. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, the house of cards will fall very quickly and there will be a total rebuild required with no continuity if you're run like United (or Spurs). We've already seen this with them when they went from challenging to titles during the PL's weakest ever era to, well, Spurs
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Robb, that's not sustainable and you know it. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, the house of cards will fall very quickly and there will be a total rebuild required with no continuity if you're run like United (or Spurs). We've already seen this with them when they went from challenging to titles during the PL's weakest ever era to, well, Spurs
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That goes both ways though. If the manager isn’t good enough then even with the best set up in the world there will be issues. There is plenty of things Ten Hag is doing that are on him and him only and this season is huge for him as he’s been backed better than any manager we’ve ever had and should start to display some sort of philosophy.
There seems to be a belief on here that the only way a philosophy can be attained is by letting a manager bring in an entirely new squad of players when there are managers who can improve what they inherit. I’ve barely seen Ten Hag improve any of our players let alone the ones he’s brought in.
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Robb, that's not sustainable and you know it. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, the house of cards will fall very quickly and there will be a total rebuild required with no continuity if you're run like United (or Spurs). We've already seen this with them when they went from challenging to titles during the PL's weakest ever era to, well, Spurs
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That goes both ways though. If the manager isn’t good enough then even with the best set up in the world there will be issues. There is plenty of things Ten Hag is doing that are on him and him only and this season is huge for him as he’s been backed better than any manager we’ve ever had and should start to display some sort of philosophy.
There seems to be a belief on here that the only way a philosophy can be attained is by letting a manager bring in an entirely new squad of players when there are managers who can improve what they inherit. I’ve barely seen Ten Hag improve any of our players let alone the ones he’s brought in.
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It literally only goes one way. No manager is achieving anything remotely sustainable without structure. And Poch is a great example. His tenure at Spurs ended terribly, same with PSG. Show me a great manager who's actually achieved anything in the modern era without having a solid structure behind him.
It hasn't happened at United and hasn't happened anywhere else with regards to major clubs either as far as I know.
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
If it’s all the Glazers fault I hope they never sell
Loving their work 🥰
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot treble winners and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
If it’s all the Glazers fault I hope they never sell
Loving their work 🥰
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I don't even think Pep would work at this club and he's the best manager on the planet.
Everything around the manager is rotten and broken.
They are going to have to sell soon anyway as they are skint and their shopping malls and other businesses are hemorrhaging money apparently. The game is up for them and they know it is.
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 16 minutes ago
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
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All I’m saying though is that structure is one thing but if the manager isn’t good enough - which I suspect Ten Hag isn’t - then we’re handicapping ourselves even further.
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posted on 17/9/23
Love to read a case study on Brighton, it's ownership structure, the DOF and the blueprint he operates to run the entire football division from recruitment to youth to first team.
The blueprint is the most important, that makes the DOF the most pivotal role at the club. Get that right and the rest should follow. The age of the football manager running everything is no more and outdated.
Brighton also have a special software that identifies players with potential. Their recruitment is highly data driven.
I wonder what Murtough uses?! 😆
posted on 17/9/23
I do think de zerbi is on a whole different level to potter.
posted on 17/9/23
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because the Glazers have put in a corporate structure with really poor management that okays deals that are commercially more appealing first. These guys also don't know how much to pay or how to negotiate. Overpaying for players, paying players insane fees and salaries. Bringing stars when hard workers were needed - Di Maria, Sanchez, Ronaldo, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Cavani. Not investing in scouting network. Overriding manager to buy stars. Making United vulnerable to be exploited by selling teams, agents, and players. In the end, the manager ends up still with round pegs for square holes.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And everything out there before that was Ole, and Jose, Van Gaal, Moysey. He's very clearly explained why it's their fault. If a club spend more than anybody and still fail miserably it's because of the structure of the club and how they spend that money.
On the pitch tactics could and should be better but with no recruitment strategy, no contingency plans, no strategic continuity from one regime to the next then you're doomed to repeat failure.
The most ridiculous thing of all is if they had any kind of business acumen whatsoever they'd realise that investing in a proper DOF and a proper recruitment team who base signings on analysis and not a whim, in the long term they'd earn a lot more money.
But they aren't successful businessmen. They're just the spawn of one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And all those previous managers were sh!!!t.
Moyes, awful
Jose, awful, and sacked from Spurs for being awful after being sacked by United.
Ole, had us playing entertaining football for about 1.5 years but after a while the team just stopped playing for him. Still, nowhere near good enough a manager for us.
LVG - probably the only manager we have had post SAF that has properly implemented an actual style of play, albeit a tad boring, at least he had a clear style/plan.
You can argue it's the boards fault for getting in sh!!!!t managers every time, but now we have a supposedly good manager, what's the excuse now?
He's got everything he wanted in terms of transfers.
He has no clear style of play.
We don't control games, our players look like pub team players sometimes.
That ain't on the board.
If LVG can implement a style of play, one that has the team pressing and passing well, why can't Eth? That is what he promised.
LVG had fellaini playing one touch football ffs so the excuse of Eth not having good enough players is simply a cop out excuse.
What are you saying exactly? That allowing Eth to bring in the players he wanted was the wrong choice?
I can guarantee that SAF would have these d!ckhead players playing better than this. He simply wouldn't let them get away with it as much as they do.
posted on 17/9/23
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 29 minutes ago
Also I don't remember seeing such a pathetic pre season in my life, that's all on Eth too.
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That's not on ETH you absolute moron. He did not want to traipse all over North America FFS. You know who wanted that?! The Glazers!!!
As for SAF having them playing better? Yes, he's the greatest manager ever. LV facking G?! He failed mate. His record was crap, his win ratio was worse than Ten Hag's! It doesn't matter if it's LVG or ETH or GOD. They aren't succeeding under the inbreds.
Of course they're responsible
posted on 17/9/23
And yes, allowing any one manager to sign whoever they wish is idiocy. Absolutely
posted on 17/9/23
Get rid of this manager and we continue to stumble about in the darkness.
Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results, isn't that a famous quote or saying or something?
Let's try... getting rid of the owners, maybe something will change a little more than when we change the managers? Has anyone considered that?
posted on 17/9/23
The Glazers are leaches & senior management are so poor so yes the structure is a big issue.
However its too easy to blame that for what is happening on the pitch- the players we buy are the managers choice, if they start or not is the managers choice, the formation & tactics are the managers choice, motivating the team is the managers responsibility etc etc. We have used more
Money than anyone to influence what happens on the pitch but the managers & players are failing.
posted on 17/9/23
It’s quite simple really. The Glazer’s aren’t reliant on on field success to achieve their own aims, you’re a money making machine whatever happens. Whilst other clubs need success to build up a fanbase, it doesn’t matter to the Glazers if United never gain another fan.
posted on 17/9/23
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
posted on 17/9/23
*excited
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
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You could have said the same thing about Ten Hag at certain points last season. Ange could be in his honeymoon period/new manager bounce. Let's wait and see if it's the real deal or paper tiger.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
how can you blame what we're seeing on the pitch on the glazers? genuine question?
the players, team, squad, tactics, everything out there is ten hag.
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Your head’s in the sand, Ali
posted on 17/9/23
You can’t blame your owners for your manage being inept tactically.
You can’t blame your owners for the fact you seem to endlessly point players with terrible attitudes on a pedestal like Bruno
You can’t blame your owners for siging Jason Sancho and ruining his career.
What’s happening on the pitch is far worse than the amount of money your owners are investing in the playing staff which by the way is the most in world football.
posted on 17/9/23
There is definitely a recruitment strategy issue at United, constant changing of managers will do that of course but overall United just don’t buy top quality in their prime anymore.
£150m on Sancho and Anthony - Sancho to be fair has the potential, Anthony never did, massively overpaid for a so so player.
Even Hojlund, decent young striker but not a patch on the likes of Haaland, Alvarez and Salah - City and Liverpool are the clubs United are supposed to be competing against. You just seem to buy from the second tier these days rather than the top.
No stars really coming through at United either from the youth ranks despite Hannibal’s goal yesterday.
Onana is terribly average, Reguilon is awful - he will be back with spurs in Jan and binned off to a La Liga club on loan.
Mason “£20m more than Maddison” Mount is shiete.
That’s Uniteds biggest failing - how many very successful signings have you had since Bruno? The only one I can think of is Casemiro year one, but he can’t cover central midfield single handedly anymore
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Robb, that's not sustainable and you know it. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, the house of cards will fall very quickly and there will be a total rebuild required with no continuity if you're run like United (or Spurs). We've already seen this with them when they went from challenging to titles during the PL's weakest ever era to, well, Spurs
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Robb, that's not sustainable and you know it. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, the house of cards will fall very quickly and there will be a total rebuild required with no continuity if you're run like United (or Spurs). We've already seen this with them when they went from challenging to titles during the PL's weakest ever era to, well, Spurs
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That goes both ways though. If the manager isn’t good enough then even with the best set up in the world there will be issues. There is plenty of things Ten Hag is doing that are on him and him only and this season is huge for him as he’s been backed better than any manager we’ve ever had and should start to display some sort of philosophy.
There seems to be a belief on here that the only way a philosophy can be attained is by letting a manager bring in an entirely new squad of players when there are managers who can improve what they inherit. I’ve barely seen Ten Hag improve any of our players let alone the ones he’s brought in.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
A good structure is of course important but it’s not the only way to skin a cat. Look at spurs. Almost as big a mess as our club but Ange has come in and made a few tweaks. Bought well and got existing players to step up and now the fan base are exited for the first time since the good old days of Poch.
Ten Hag can do much better with what he has at his disposal. Will he? Time will tell but he shouldn’t be immune from a lot of the blame just because the Glazers are caaants.
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Robb, that's not sustainable and you know it. It doesn't matter how good a manager is, the house of cards will fall very quickly and there will be a total rebuild required with no continuity if you're run like United (or Spurs). We've already seen this with them when they went from challenging to titles during the PL's weakest ever era to, well, Spurs
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That goes both ways though. If the manager isn’t good enough then even with the best set up in the world there will be issues. There is plenty of things Ten Hag is doing that are on him and him only and this season is huge for him as he’s been backed better than any manager we’ve ever had and should start to display some sort of philosophy.
There seems to be a belief on here that the only way a philosophy can be attained is by letting a manager bring in an entirely new squad of players when there are managers who can improve what they inherit. I’ve barely seen Ten Hag improve any of our players let alone the ones he’s brought in.
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It literally only goes one way. No manager is achieving anything remotely sustainable without structure. And Poch is a great example. His tenure at Spurs ended terribly, same with PSG. Show me a great manager who's actually achieved anything in the modern era without having a solid structure behind him.
It hasn't happened at United and hasn't happened anywhere else with regards to major clubs either as far as I know.
posted on 17/9/23
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
posted on 17/9/23
If it’s all the Glazers fault I hope they never sell
Loving their work 🥰
posted on 17/9/23
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot treble winners and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 1 minute ago
If it’s all the Glazers fault I hope they never sell
Loving their work 🥰
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I don't even think Pep would work at this club and he's the best manager on the planet.
Everything around the manager is rotten and broken.
They are going to have to sell soon anyway as they are skint and their shopping malls and other businesses are hemorrhaging money apparently. The game is up for them and they know it is.
posted on 17/9/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 16 minutes ago
That's not to say ETH isn't making mistakes but it does mean that even if he was perfect, any success would be short lived due to the environment in which he's working. That won't change under this ownership, as they don't give a flying eff about the structure of the club
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All I’m saying though is that structure is one thing but if the manager isn’t good enough - which I suspect Ten Hag isn’t - then we’re handicapping ourselves even further.
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