comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
I see the 'Hamas Charter' nonsense is back in force... These discussions always go the same way. Mostly people who've taken no real time to study the issue relying on tidbits that they don't really understand.
Literally no serious analyst of the Israel/Palestine conflict gives any credence to the defunct charter, for all sorts of reasons. To give a flavour;
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
This war won’t end, it never will, Palestine wants what it sees as its land back and Israel wishes to keep what is sees as its land - neither will budge on that, and therefore this will continue forever.
Disgusting things will be perpetrated by both sides to further their aims and cause.
The only side to take here is that of the innocents on both sides caught up in this madness.
Hopefully one day, the 2 sides will learn to share - but with Hamas and their wanting of the destruction of Israel on one side and an ex Israeli special forces hardliner on the other - the best we can hope for currently is the end of the fighting, the return of the circa 150 hostages unharmed and Gaza having its food, Water and medicine restored - hopefully Biden can get the people of Gaza everything they need in return for the safe release of all the hostages - that’s the only deal I can see on the table here
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I see the 'Hamas Charter' nonsense is back in force... These discussions always go the same way. Mostly people who've taken no real time to study the issue relying on tidbits that they don't really understand.
Literally no serious analyst of the Israel/Palestine conflict gives any credence to the defunct charter, for all sorts of reasons. To give a flavour;
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
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Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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My word.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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My word.
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Yes. Be careful with your words. People are watching.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I see the 'Hamas Charter' nonsense is back in force... These discussions always go the same way. Mostly people who've taken no real time to study the issue relying on tidbits that they don't really understand.
Literally no serious analyst of the Israel/Palestine conflict gives any credence to the defunct charter, for all sorts of reasons. To give a flavour;
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
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Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
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Didn't he change his mind, renounce all terrorism, acknowledge Israel's right to exist and accept the two resolutions while leader of Palestine? That was supposed to be that. Conflict over apart from a few finishing touches.
But Israelis killed their own Premier Rabin to stop it from happening. They thought Arafat would refuse and peace talks would fail. To their surprise he agreed to everything and because they didn't really want peace they were left with no choice but to murder their own.
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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Are you gonna debate the points or continue with this laughable sideshow?
Typical of Israel sympathisers when they lose the debate.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club
Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
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I can't find what you've quoted but regardless, Arafat is not Hamas and had nothing to do with the meaningless 'charter' that you seem to love so much (but have nothing to say about the much more meaningful Likud one, curiously).
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club
Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
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I can't find what you've quoted but regardless, Arafat is not Hamas and had nothing to do with the meaningless 'charter' that you seem to love so much (but have nothing to say about the much more meaningful Likud one, curiously).
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Probably has no clue about Likud or anything else apart from Hamas charter because that's what the media focus on.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
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It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
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It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 7 seconds ago
Your tone is very clear.
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Good.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
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No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
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No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
Poland -
Some have clealry taken sides, whilst most have criticised both sides.
Refusal to criticise bith side for killing kids, is just plain wrong.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
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You could go back further. The Israelis took the land from others. Some say the Palestinians are the descendents of that group. So then we're back to square one.
Ultimately, what happened thousands of years ago didn't lead to one group giving it to a third party while ignoring the people already there.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
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You mean promised to them by God, not Moses? That's a religious affair. 1948 is a political affair.
Clearly some historical events are more relevant and impactful on the present than others and so serve better as a starting point.
It's all well and good that there's 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs. However, this doesn't mean that it's OK to treat others as sub-human. Let all men be free as you and me, and then we can try to solve the problems.
Kinda hard to negotiate when you or your lived ones could be thrown in prison and held indefinitely without trial at any time and on a whim. You'd be sheeting your pants and agreeing to everything.
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would anyone think a land claim from 733 BCE is valid?
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
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It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
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The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
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No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
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This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
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You could go back further. The Israelis took the land from others. Some say the Palestinians are the descendents of that group. So then we're back to square one.
Ultimately, what happened thousands of years ago didn't lead to one group giving it to a third party while ignoring the people already there.
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Sure, so what’s your resolution, move all the Jewish people out of Israel and give the entire land to the Palestinians?
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Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
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It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
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The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
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No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
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This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
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Why would anyone think a land claim from 733 BCE is valid?
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Why isn’t it?
1948 was not in my lifetime or in the lifetime of 99% of Gaza’s residents - so why is it valid to them?
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posted on 18/10/23
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
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comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
posted on 18/10/23
I see the 'Hamas Charter' nonsense is back in force... These discussions always go the same way. Mostly people who've taken no real time to study the issue relying on tidbits that they don't really understand.
Literally no serious analyst of the Israel/Palestine conflict gives any credence to the defunct charter, for all sorts of reasons. To give a flavour;
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
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comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
posted on 18/10/23
This war won’t end, it never will, Palestine wants what it sees as its land back and Israel wishes to keep what is sees as its land - neither will budge on that, and therefore this will continue forever.
Disgusting things will be perpetrated by both sides to further their aims and cause.
The only side to take here is that of the innocents on both sides caught up in this madness.
Hopefully one day, the 2 sides will learn to share - but with Hamas and their wanting of the destruction of Israel on one side and an ex Israeli special forces hardliner on the other - the best we can hope for currently is the end of the fighting, the return of the circa 150 hostages unharmed and Gaza having its food, Water and medicine restored - hopefully Biden can get the people of Gaza everything they need in return for the safe release of all the hostages - that’s the only deal I can see on the table here
posted on 18/10/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I see the 'Hamas Charter' nonsense is back in force... These discussions always go the same way. Mostly people who've taken no real time to study the issue relying on tidbits that they don't really understand.
Literally no serious analyst of the Israel/Palestine conflict gives any credence to the defunct charter, for all sorts of reasons. To give a flavour;
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
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Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
posted on 18/10/23
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comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
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comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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My word.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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My word.
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Yes. Be careful with your words. People are watching.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
I see the 'Hamas Charter' nonsense is back in force... These discussions always go the same way. Mostly people who've taken no real time to study the issue relying on tidbits that they don't really understand.
Literally no serious analyst of the Israel/Palestine conflict gives any credence to the defunct charter, for all sorts of reasons. To give a flavour;
"AMY GOODMAN: But you hear repeatedly, Hamas has in its charter a call for the destruction of Israel. And how do you guarantee that these thousands of rockets that threaten the people of Israel don’t continue?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Very simple. First of all, Hamas charter means practically nothing. The only people who pay attention to it are Israeli propagandists, who love it. It was a charter put together by a small group of people under siege, under attack in 1988. And it’s essentially meaningless. There are charters that mean something, but they’re not talked about. So, for example, the electoral program of Israel’s governing party, Likud, states explicitly that there can never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. And they not only state it in their charter, that’s a call for the destruction of Palestine, explicit call for it. And they don’t only have it in their charter, you know, their electoral program, but they implement it. That’s quite different from the Hamas charter."
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Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
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Didn't he change his mind, renounce all terrorism, acknowledge Israel's right to exist and accept the two resolutions while leader of Palestine? That was supposed to be that. Conflict over apart from a few finishing touches.
But Israelis killed their own Premier Rabin to stop it from happening. They thought Arafat would refuse and peace talks would fail. To their surprise he agreed to everything and because they didn't really want peace they were left with no choice but to murder their own.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
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comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
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comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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Are you gonna debate the points or continue with this laughable sideshow?
Typical of Israel sympathisers when they lose the debate.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club
Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
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I can't find what you've quoted but regardless, Arafat is not Hamas and had nothing to do with the meaningless 'charter' that you seem to love so much (but have nothing to say about the much more meaningful Likud one, curiously).
posted on 18/10/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club
Did you read Yasser Arafats words I posted higher up - their is no miscommunication there
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I can't find what you've quoted but regardless, Arafat is not Hamas and had nothing to do with the meaningless 'charter' that you seem to love so much (but have nothing to say about the much more meaningful Likud one, curiously).
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Probably has no clue about Likud or anything else apart from Hamas charter because that's what the media focus on.
posted on 18/10/23
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
posted on 18/10/23
Your tone is very clear.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 7 seconds ago
Your tone is very clear.
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Good.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
posted on 18/10/23
Poland -
Some have clealry taken sides, whilst most have criticised both sides.
Refusal to criticise bith side for killing kids, is just plain wrong.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could go back further. The Israelis took the land from others. Some say the Palestinians are the descendents of that group. So then we're back to square one.
Ultimately, what happened thousands of years ago didn't lead to one group giving it to a third party while ignoring the people already there.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You mean promised to them by God, not Moses? That's a religious affair. 1948 is a political affair.
Clearly some historical events are more relevant and impactful on the present than others and so serve better as a starting point.
It's all well and good that there's 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs. However, this doesn't mean that it's OK to treat others as sub-human. Let all men be free as you and me, and then we can try to solve the problems.
Kinda hard to negotiate when you or your lived ones could be thrown in prison and held indefinitely without trial at any time and on a whim. You'd be sheeting your pants and agreeing to everything.
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
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This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
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Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
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The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
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You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
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It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
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The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
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No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
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This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
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Why would anyone think a land claim from 733 BCE is valid?
posted on 18/10/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
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We have our first Hamas supporter.
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Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
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He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
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Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
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I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
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I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
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You could go back further. The Israelis took the land from others. Some say the Palestinians are the descendents of that group. So then we're back to square one.
Ultimately, what happened thousands of years ago didn't lead to one group giving it to a third party while ignoring the people already there.
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Sure, so what’s your resolution, move all the Jewish people out of Israel and give the entire land to the Palestinians?
posted on 18/10/23
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club... (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pedro Poridge at the love Parade (U6468)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Clive Bissel (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
Guys, do we really need to take sides?
Both sides are killing kids FFS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not a equal war. Palestine does not have a army they are being oppressed by Isrealis for years. The attack on Israel is a consequence of those apartheid policies. In what way is Israels response equal? They openly admit that they to not consider palestinians human. The unconditional backing of Israel by the West is a huge barrier to finding a peaceful resolution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Equally the Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it and they have the means to try it as we have seen. Israel is a country surrounded by enemies that want them gone - the only thing that stops the others from wiping them out is their US backed, vastly superior army - it’s why Iran won’t aactually do anything directly, the US have a couple of destroyers out there that could wipe them off the face of the earth, so instead they (in my opinion) incite matters instead
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reason Hamas manifesto has the destruction of the Jews and Israel in it is because Hamas was created to fight back against Israeli oppression of Palestinians. Hamas didn't always exist and it is Israel that created and creates the conditions necessary for Hamas to exist and subsist by their treatment of Palestinians. As I pointed out, oppression inevitably leads to violent uprising without fail. They are strengthening future Hamas as we speak because Hamas will have a lot of new recruits once this is over.
Your argument fails there and so it is not an equal war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have our first Hamas supporter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing he said here shows support for Hamas. Such an accusation is when you want to shut someone down. I'd be careful about shouting wolf too many times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He agrees with them existing and appears to support their right to ‘retaliate’ as he sees it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're twisting what he has said. Either you understand what he has said and purposely doing so, or did not understand what he said.
You're not another RDD sock account are you?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be naive.
Yes he is careful not to expressly support them, because that I believe is illegal, but he is clearly in support of them. He certainly isn’t against their actions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being naive. I have seen what he has written here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that you can't actually counter the points he has raised. So now you are accusing him of being a supporter of Hamas. In a formal debate, such tactic is called "poisoning the well".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not interested in taking sides or laying blame. Killing kids is wrong, no matter who is doing it or why.
I just don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of the messages on this subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's OK, you can't appreciate the tone of everything you read on the internet.
If you don't want to respond to the points made then that's fine as actions speak louder than words.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is it is not really a debate with you as you are too closed minded on the matter to appreciate a different point of view. As much as you like to accuse others of being pro Israeli and believing their “lies” you come across as rabidly pro Palestinian and that they are blameless and the only ones telling the truth in all this.
It seems to offend you that others think differently. Israel have now produced audio that seems to confirm that the Rocket came from Gaza and was perhaps an accident by Hamas - but straight away you call bullschitt, could t possibly be true.
I’m with Clive on this, Israeli and Palestinian children dying because adults cannot resolve conflicts with words is beyond sad - it’s an absolute failure and both sides should hang their heads in shame
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is on the side of killing children.
The audio that the IDF say is an audio recording would need to be independently verified. It's not the first time they denied something and prodcuded evidence of something to shift the blame. Same goes for Hamas.
The problem started because one party thought about giving land to a third party without taking into account the people already living on that land.
This isn't the only issue with dividing land that has caused problems in Asia and Africa by colonial powers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is where people pick their historical points - you’ve gone back to 1948, others could choose 733 BCE and claim the Israelis are reclaiming the land promised to them by Moses.
This is the faaacking issue - 2 competing ideologies both claiming that the land is theirs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would anyone think a land claim from 733 BCE is valid?
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Why isn’t it?
1948 was not in my lifetime or in the lifetime of 99% of Gaza’s residents - so why is it valid to them?
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