What this issue has done is expose clearly how the Western political system actually works. People are perplexed at how Israel can do whatever it wants with impunity while Western leaders fawn over them.
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posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
My favourite part of this whole thing has been Israelis complaining about "propaganda". Aye pal, you have overwhelming influence in most Western governments, media, entertainment and corporations, but it's the country that's not even recognised by the developed world that has the propaganda on their side.
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
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You guys should remove wars from your discussion. You guys will never see the big picture. Anyone fighting a war they cannot win wants to kill it's people.
Take your time and look at Afghanistan. Trying to fight a "good war" and losing everything. Money, time and the people back into living in misery. Israel does not intend to lose to public opinion.
Can you call it a war if the other side has no army, navy or air force?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
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You guys should remove wars from your discussion. You guys will never see the big picture. Anyone fighting a war they cannot win wants to kill it's people.
Take your time and look at Afghanistan. Trying to fight a "good war" and losing everything. Money, time and the people back into living in misery. Israel does not intend to lose to public opinion.
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It's not a war is it?
Israel with fighter jets, tanks and air-to-air missiles against Palestinians who are unarmed other than walking sticks and stones (Not HAMAS who are Isreali creation)
This is oppressive occupation of land and a genocide is happening now. We should as humans talk about it as the least we can do.
Hamas committed one atrocity. Israel are committing daily atrocities with the help of the USA and Britain. All will be held to account sometime in the future.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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posted 29 minutes ago
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posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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This ^^^
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
Rather concerned that the opposite is happening.
The pro-Palestine protests in the UK are being used by the far right as look we've got 5th column in our midst and we need to do something about it.
I'd consider myself left leaning but I can understand the fear people on the right in this country are feeling when they see huge crowds of immigrants gathering in intimidating environments even though I think the majority of them are in the right but it would be silly not to think some of them have more nefarious intentions longer term, after all they do believe it's their duty to convert others to Islam.
That worries people and at some point it has to come to a head. I think a lot of people mistakenly thought Brexit was the answer to that, we would stop or slow those coming here and that helped them win.
I have no idea what the sensible answer is but we should be listening to the fears of those people as much as we should be listening to Muslims already here.
https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1719374073338237148?s=20
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posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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What about Sunak and Biden. They run the Governments. Starmer doesn't. Starmer should call out the Israelis, but has no influence being in opposition. Sunak and Biden do. Those are the two that need to be held to account the most.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Israel can stop the killing any time
I'd consider myself left leaning but I can understand the fear people on the right in this country are feeling when they see huge crowds of immigrants gathering in intimidating environments even though I think the majority of them are in the right but it would be silly not to think some of them have more nefarious intentions longer term, after all they do believe it's their duty to convert others to Islam.
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Who’s gathering in large crowds? If you’re talking about the pro Palestinian protests the vast majority of those contain white people and even many Jewish people.
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
Why are the UAE coming out in defence of Israel? Why are the Saudis said to be heading same way much to the annoyance of the real issue in the region....Iran?
Hamas sucker punched kids and women at a music festival and fled and hid amongst its people like cowards. They brought this on.
I don't agree with the reaction of Israel but I expected one and so did Hamas. Why poke at the wasps nest?
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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I have said on nearly every post that I think we should stay out of it. There's evil on both sides of this conflict.
All I'm doing is correcting people who are almost sounding apologetic to a Terrorist organisation. Hamas are no different to ISIS. Their end goal, if they had the means to do it, would be to destroy the Jews. You only have to watch and listen to it's propaganda.
Even some of the neighbouring Muslim countries aren't siding with them. What does that say?
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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I have said on nearly every post that I think we should stay out of it. There's evil on both sides of this conflict.
All I'm doing is correcting people who are almost sounding apologetic to a Terrorist organisation. Hamas are no different to ISIS. Their end goal, if they had the means to do it, would be to destroy the Jews. You only have to watch and listen to it's propaganda.
Even some of the neighbouring Muslim countries aren't siding with them. What does that say?
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Britain and America will always back Israel. The Zionist have their people in all prominant roles in the senate and in parliment. Both the USA and Britain will back Israel as it gives them a foothold in the middle east and a chance to get more oil.
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comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
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Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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So Robb. Are you asking British people to vote Conservative at the coming General Election?
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Strange way to defend Starmer.
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Im not defending him, Im supporting him. The UK election wont be fought over this issue. You seem to be suggesting that UK voters shouldn't support him over this issue.
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I'm not really sure what people expect Starmer to do. He's not in power, and even if he became PM tomorrow, he still wouldn't be able to do anything in this conflict. Isreal will always do whatever it wants so long as the US has its back.
And as sad as the situation is over there right now, it's going to have a minor impact on our next GE as the majority of voters will care more about their own lives improving.
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posted on 1/11/23
What this issue has done is expose clearly how the Western political system actually works. People are perplexed at how Israel can do whatever it wants with impunity while Western leaders fawn over them.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
posted on 1/11/23
My favourite part of this whole thing has been Israelis complaining about "propaganda". Aye pal, you have overwhelming influence in most Western governments, media, entertainment and corporations, but it's the country that's not even recognised by the developed world that has the propaganda on their side.
posted on 1/11/23
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
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You guys should remove wars from your discussion. You guys will never see the big picture. Anyone fighting a war they cannot win wants to kill it's people.
Take your time and look at Afghanistan. Trying to fight a "good war" and losing everything. Money, time and the people back into living in misery. Israel does not intend to lose to public opinion.
posted on 1/11/23
Can you call it a war if the other side has no army, navy or air force?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
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You guys should remove wars from your discussion. You guys will never see the big picture. Anyone fighting a war they cannot win wants to kill it's people.
Take your time and look at Afghanistan. Trying to fight a "good war" and losing everything. Money, time and the people back into living in misery. Israel does not intend to lose to public opinion.
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It's not a war is it?
Israel with fighter jets, tanks and air-to-air missiles against Palestinians who are unarmed other than walking sticks and stones (Not HAMAS who are Isreali creation)
This is oppressive occupation of land and a genocide is happening now. We should as humans talk about it as the least we can do.
posted on 1/11/23
Hamas committed one atrocity. Israel are committing daily atrocities with the help of the USA and Britain. All will be held to account sometime in the future.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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This ^^^
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
posted on 1/11/23
Rather concerned that the opposite is happening.
The pro-Palestine protests in the UK are being used by the far right as look we've got 5th column in our midst and we need to do something about it.
I'd consider myself left leaning but I can understand the fear people on the right in this country are feeling when they see huge crowds of immigrants gathering in intimidating environments even though I think the majority of them are in the right but it would be silly not to think some of them have more nefarious intentions longer term, after all they do believe it's their duty to convert others to Islam.
That worries people and at some point it has to come to a head. I think a lot of people mistakenly thought Brexit was the answer to that, we would stop or slow those coming here and that helped them win.
I have no idea what the sensible answer is but we should be listening to the fears of those people as much as we should be listening to Muslims already here.
posted on 1/11/23
https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1719374073338237148?s=20
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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What about Sunak and Biden. They run the Governments. Starmer doesn't. Starmer should call out the Israelis, but has no influence being in opposition. Sunak and Biden do. Those are the two that need to be held to account the most.
posted on 1/11/23
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Israel can stop the killing any time
posted on 1/11/23
I'd consider myself left leaning but I can understand the fear people on the right in this country are feeling when they see huge crowds of immigrants gathering in intimidating environments even though I think the majority of them are in the right but it would be silly not to think some of them have more nefarious intentions longer term, after all they do believe it's their duty to convert others to Islam.
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Who’s gathering in large crowds? If you’re talking about the pro Palestinian protests the vast majority of those contain white people and even many Jewish people.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
Why are the UAE coming out in defence of Israel? Why are the Saudis said to be heading same way much to the annoyance of the real issue in the region....Iran?
Hamas sucker punched kids and women at a music festival and fled and hid amongst its people like cowards. They brought this on.
I don't agree with the reaction of Israel but I expected one and so did Hamas. Why poke at the wasps nest?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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I have said on nearly every post that I think we should stay out of it. There's evil on both sides of this conflict.
All I'm doing is correcting people who are almost sounding apologetic to a Terrorist organisation. Hamas are no different to ISIS. Their end goal, if they had the means to do it, would be to destroy the Jews. You only have to watch and listen to it's propaganda.
Even some of the neighbouring Muslim countries aren't siding with them. What does that say?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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I have said on nearly every post that I think we should stay out of it. There's evil on both sides of this conflict.
All I'm doing is correcting people who are almost sounding apologetic to a Terrorist organisation. Hamas are no different to ISIS. Their end goal, if they had the means to do it, would be to destroy the Jews. You only have to watch and listen to it's propaganda.
Even some of the neighbouring Muslim countries aren't siding with them. What does that say?
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Britain and America will always back Israel. The Zionist have their people in all prominant roles in the senate and in parliment. Both the USA and Britain will back Israel as it gives them a foothold in the middle east and a chance to get more oil.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 8 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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So Robb. Are you asking British people to vote Conservative at the coming General Election?
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Strange way to defend Starmer.
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Im not defending him, Im supporting him. The UK election wont be fought over this issue. You seem to be suggesting that UK voters shouldn't support him over this issue.
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I'm not really sure what people expect Starmer to do. He's not in power, and even if he became PM tomorrow, he still wouldn't be able to do anything in this conflict. Isreal will always do whatever it wants so long as the US has its back.
And as sad as the situation is over there right now, it's going to have a minor impact on our next GE as the majority of voters will care more about their own lives improving.
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