Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
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Why is that the case? Israel have to do that because they intentionally won't even allow Palestinians to do real business or develop their nation. Read up on the state of affairs in Palestine FFS. They can hardly build a toilet without Israel's permission. They are dependents on Israel by Israel's design. What do you think they're fighting for? What is wrong with you? You just described the problem. I'm not even gonna bother explaining.
You seem to think Israel are doing them a favour which they should be grateful for. I don't know how you look at facts and come to that conclusion unless you're either stoopid or biased. Your mind seems made up and this comment is irrefutable proof that you are looking at things from a biased perspective.
I'm surprised that this far into this conflict some people are still purporting to comment authoritatively on this matter when they clearly don't know their ass from their elbows.
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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I have said on nearly every post that I think we should stay out of it. There's evil on both sides of this conflict.
All I'm doing is correcting people who are almost sounding apologetic to a Terrorist organisation. Hamas are no different to ISIS. Their end goal, if they had the means to do it, would be to destroy the Jews. You only have to watch and listen to it's propaganda.
Even some of the neighbouring Muslim countries aren't siding with them. What does that say?
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Britain and America will always back Israel. The Zionist have their people in all prominant roles in the senate and in parliment. Both the USA and Britain will back Israel as it gives them a foothold in the middle east and a chance to get more oil.
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I wasn't talking about US and UK. Some of the Arab states are siding with Israel. The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way much to the annoyance of Iran I was reading last week.
Israel need to agree to a ceasefire now. They have made their point and gone way too far no doubt. However this reaction wouldn't have happened at all if it wasn't for cowards taking hostages and killing people at a music festival would it?
If they want to start a war they can't win then go and fight Israel in the open and away from its own people. But they don't do this so they? Why? Because they know they can't win. So they resort to cowardly attacks and then retreat and hide amongst innocent civilians.
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
Israel need to stop bombing and killing more innocent people.
UK needs to stay the hell out of it.
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
Why are the UAE coming out in defence of Israel? Why are the Saudis said to be heading same way much to the annoyance of the real issue in the region....Iran?
Hamas sucker punched kids and women at a music festival and fled and hid amongst its people like cowards. They brought this on.
I don't agree with the reaction of Israel but I expected one and so did Hamas. Why poke at the wasps nest?
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First off you didn't even reply to my comment. You ignored it and raised new issues instead, probably because you had nothing counter the points I made. That's OK because there's really no countering those points. Israel created Hamas, either directly or indirectly and Hamas came into existence to destroy Israel and thus save the Palestinian people. What is it you don't understand there?
Any one like UAE or Saudi backing Israel is doing so for political reasons, not because Israel are on the right If you look into it and do your research then you will see why they are acting the way they are.
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
Why are the UAE coming out in defence of Israel? Why are the Saudis said to be heading same way much to the annoyance of the real issue in the region....Iran?
Hamas sucker punched kids and women at a music festival and fled and hid amongst its people like cowards. They brought this on.
I don't agree with the reaction of Israel but I expected one and so did Hamas. Why poke at the wasps nest?
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First off you didn't even reply to my comment. You ignored it and raised new issues instead, probably because you had nothing counter the points I made. That's OK because there's really no countering those points. Israel created Hamas, either directly or indirectly and Hamas came into existence to destroy Israel and thus save the Palestinian people. What is it you don't understand there?
Any one like UAE or Saudi backing Israel is doing so for political reasons, not because Israel are on the rightIf you look into it and do your research then you will see why they are acting the way they are.
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You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
So you keep saying Israel are not in the right? What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
Hamas are too cowardly to fight them in the open because they can't win and use their own people as human shields.
Real men don't take women hostages in the street. Real men don't hide behind innocent people. Freedom fighters don't sucker punch innocent people at a music festival.
Hamas knew this would be the reaction of Israel and sanctioned the attacks anyway.
What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
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To withdraw, give the homes back and end aparthied. Obviously.
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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It is difficult to destroy cowards to use innocent women and children as their shields. You're quite right.
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What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
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To withdraw, give the homes back and end aparthied. Obviously.
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How can anyone with a working brain suggest anything else as a solution to the conflict?
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Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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It is difficult to destroy cowards to use innocent women and children as their shields. You're quite right.
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Cowards? The fack are you on about? I've never seen freedom fighters struggling against a far superior force hiding out in the open. That would be stoopid.
You want them to not hide and get annihilated by Israel within seconds? Makes sense.
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Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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I'm calling bullsheet on your claims. Can you substantiate them?
If you think any Arab countries will will back Israel in the end without them being coerced into it, then you will be shocked saan.
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What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
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To withdraw, give the homes back and end aparthied. Obviously.
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How can anyone with a working brain suggest anything else as a solution to the conflict?
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I don't even think it's a conflicts. Conflicts are normally to do with border disputes and so on.
This is a brutal occupation spanning decades and legalised aparthied.
Just leave.
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Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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It is difficult to destroy cowards to use innocent women and children as their shields. You're quite right.
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Cowards? The fack are you on about? I've never seen freedom fighters struggling against a far superior force hiding out in the open. That would be stoopid.
You want them to not hide and get annihilated by Israel within seconds? Makes sense.
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Stopped reading at Freedom fighters. 😂
Freedom fighters don't take hostages of women. Freedom fighters don't sucker punch and attack innocent people at a music festival.
They are Terrorists. If you can't see that then it's because you don't want to see it.
Hamas are no better than Israel.
You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
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Pot kettle black for sure. Even though I just called Hamas despicable? Are you reading the same comments as me or is someone intercepting my comments and misrepresenting me?
You seem to just invent whatever reality is convenient to you.
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You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
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Pot kettle black for sure. Even though I just called Hamas despicable? Are you reading the same comments as me or is someone intercepting my comments and misrepresenting me?
You seem to just invent whatever reality is convenient to you.
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You've just called them freedom fighters.
So what are they? Despicable or freedom fighters? You see you're contradictory even in your own argument.
Which is it?
They are TERRORISTS. Spell it. Say it. Accept it.
Freedom fighters don't take hostages of women. Freedom fighters don't sucker punch and attack innocent people at a music festival.
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Whether you like it or not, freedom fighters throughout history have done these things.
They are fighting an entity that has been dropping bombs on schools and hospitals for decades ripping to pieces innocent women and children who think they are safe. Do I need to list Israel's rapsheet here?
So they are supposed to spare the occupiers civilians when the occupiers calls them animals and slaughters their civilians like goats?
Gee, that sounds fair coming from you, right?
But you don't mention that, it only matters to you when Hamas do it, not when Israel do it?
You're a biased hopeless idiot.
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You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
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Pot kettle black for sure. Even though I just called Hamas despicable? Are you reading the same comments as me or is someone intercepting my comments and misrepresenting me?
You seem to just invent whatever reality is convenient to you.
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You've just called them freedom fighters.
So what are they? Despicable or freedom fighters? You see you're contradictory even in your own argument.
Which is it?
They are TERRORISTS. Spell it. Say it. Accept it.
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Of course they are terrorists too.
But so is Israel. Spell it. Say it. Accept it.
So what are they? Despicable or freedom fighters? You see you're contradictory even in your own argument.
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You need to look up the word contradictory in the dictionary.
Freedom fighters are often despicable, throughout all history they commit heinous acts.
Another example is Mandela the terrorist. Arrested and jailed by some other massive occupying caaaants for being a terrorist. So in your opinion was Mandela and his ANC party also terrorists as labeled or freedom fighters?
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Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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What makes you think I'm not from the west? Just how stoopid are you?
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Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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What makes you think I'm not from the west? Just how stoopid are you?
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Just the way you made the point about the west. Made it seem you're not from here and hence more enlightened somehow. Apologies if I misconstrued that.
Are the Israeli government seen internationally as Terrorists like Hamas are then? I don't believe they are. Quite a lot of people have said their actions have gone too far, myself included, but they aren't labelled Terrorists are they? Why is this?
Do the UK, US, France, Germany Canada etc see Israel as Terrorists?
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Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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So Robb. Are you asking British people to vote Conservative at the coming General Election?
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Strange way to defend Starmer.
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Im not defending him, Im supporting him. The UK election wont be fought over this issue. You seem to be suggesting that UK voters shouldn't support him over this issue.
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I'm not really sure what people expect Starmer to do. He's not in power, and even if he became PM tomorrow, he still wouldn't be able to do anything in this conflict. Isreal will always do whatever it wants so long as the US has its back.
And as sad as the situation is over there right now, it's going to have a minor impact on our next GE as the majority of voters will care more about their own lives improving.
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The impact it will have is people judging Starmer as a leader. Not necessarily about what position he takes on this issue but his conviction. The issue some will have is that he appears to be sitting on the fence and doing what works best for his position. Not trying to alienate anyone by taking a strong position in case it costs him votes or support. More vanilla and lacking conviction.
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Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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So Robb. Are you asking British people to vote Conservative at the coming General Election?
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Strange way to defend Starmer.
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Im not defending him, Im supporting him. The UK election wont be fought over this issue. You seem to be suggesting that UK voters shouldn't support him over this issue.
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I'm not really sure what people expect Starmer to do. He's not in power, and even if he became PM tomorrow, he still wouldn't be able to do anything in this conflict. Isreal will always do whatever it wants so long as the US has its back.
And as sad as the situation is over there right now, it's going to have a minor impact on our next GE as the majority of voters will care more about their own lives improving.
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The impact it will have is people judging Starmer as a leader. Not necessarily about what position he takes on this issue but his conviction. The issue some will have is that he appears to be sitting on the fence and doing what works best for his position. Not trying to alienate anyone by taking a strong position in case it costs him votes or support. More vanilla and lacking conviction.
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He is not sitting on the fence. He is toeing the "Israel has a right to defend itself" line.
I suspect their foreign policy will be different once there’s full scale displacement of the Palestinians from Israeli land.
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Are the Israeli government seen internationally as Terrorists like Hamas are then?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
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Why is that the case? Israel have to do that because they intentionally won't even allow Palestinians to do real business or develop their nation. Read up on the state of affairs in Palestine FFS. They can hardly build a toilet without Israel's permission. They are dependents on Israel by Israel's design. What do you think they're fighting for? What is wrong with you? You just described the problem. I'm not even gonna bother explaining.
You seem to think Israel are doing them a favour which they should be grateful for. I don't know how you look at facts and come to that conclusion unless you're either stoopid or biased. Your mind seems made up and this comment is irrefutable proof that you are looking at things from a biased perspective.
I'm surprised that this far into this conflict some people are still purporting to comment authoritatively on this matter when they clearly don't know their ass from their elbows.
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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Can you tell us why the Israeli settlers are hounding and killing Palestinians out of their land and properties in enormous numbers. That is also terrorism. But you won't hear the Israelis say it is.
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I have said on nearly every post that I think we should stay out of it. There's evil on both sides of this conflict.
All I'm doing is correcting people who are almost sounding apologetic to a Terrorist organisation. Hamas are no different to ISIS. Their end goal, if they had the means to do it, would be to destroy the Jews. You only have to watch and listen to it's propaganda.
Even some of the neighbouring Muslim countries aren't siding with them. What does that say?
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Britain and America will always back Israel. The Zionist have their people in all prominant roles in the senate and in parliment. Both the USA and Britain will back Israel as it gives them a foothold in the middle east and a chance to get more oil.
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I wasn't talking about US and UK. Some of the Arab states are siding with Israel. The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way much to the annoyance of Iran I was reading last week.
Israel need to agree to a ceasefire now. They have made their point and gone way too far no doubt. However this reaction wouldn't have happened at all if it wasn't for cowards taking hostages and killing people at a music festival would it?
If they want to start a war they can't win then go and fight Israel in the open and away from its own people. But they don't do this so they? Why? Because they know they can't win. So they resort to cowardly attacks and then retreat and hide amongst innocent civilians.
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
Israel need to stop bombing and killing more innocent people.
UK needs to stay the hell out of it.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
Why are the UAE coming out in defence of Israel? Why are the Saudis said to be heading same way much to the annoyance of the real issue in the region....Iran?
Hamas sucker punched kids and women at a music festival and fled and hid amongst its people like cowards. They brought this on.
I don't agree with the reaction of Israel but I expected one and so did Hamas. Why poke at the wasps nest?
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First off you didn't even reply to my comment. You ignored it and raised new issues instead, probably because you had nothing counter the points I made. That's OK because there's really no countering those points. Israel created Hamas, either directly or indirectly and Hamas came into existence to destroy Israel and thus save the Palestinian people. What is it you don't understand there?
Any one like UAE or Saudi backing Israel is doing so for political reasons, not because Israel are on the right If you look into it and do your research then you will see why they are acting the way they are.
posted on 1/11/23
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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And Hamas want to wipe Israel and the Jews from the map and if they had the man power and strength to do it they would.
If you listen to Hamas propaganda they are no different to what Hitler was saying 80 years ago.
The whole thing is one big mess. The innocent people are always the ones to suffer sadly. However if you attack a country with a cowardly and brutal surprise attack and then go and hide back in Gaza among innocent people.....they knew they were bringing death to their own people.
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You’ll probably find the Israelis are closer to the naaatzis these days.
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You seem to have a very one sided view on this Robb. Almost apologetic to Hamas even.
You're right about the innocent civilians bit. The response has, as expected, gone way too far. But Hamas are actually the devil too. I can't separate Hamas and Israel at all. Evil v Evil.
Again it's the innocent people caught up in that I feel for.
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Of course you can separate Hamas from Israel without favouring one side. Hamas came into existence in 1987 I think, to fight the oppressors and apartheid placed upon Palestine.
Now of course Hamas are evil and despicable, but you can separate then from Israel as they are a reaction to Israel. They didn't necessarily have to come into existence. Israel however have been evil for decades.
Furthermore, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank and that hasn't stopped Israel from controlling all aspects of Palestinian life, killing Palestinians, displacing them, imprisoning them indefinitely without trial etc etc.
So how can you say you can't separate the two?
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Who provides the Palestinians with its power and utilities? It's not the neighbouring Muslim states. It's Israel.
Why are the UAE coming out in defence of Israel? Why are the Saudis said to be heading same way much to the annoyance of the real issue in the region....Iran?
Hamas sucker punched kids and women at a music festival and fled and hid amongst its people like cowards. They brought this on.
I don't agree with the reaction of Israel but I expected one and so did Hamas. Why poke at the wasps nest?
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First off you didn't even reply to my comment. You ignored it and raised new issues instead, probably because you had nothing counter the points I made. That's OK because there's really no countering those points. Israel created Hamas, either directly or indirectly and Hamas came into existence to destroy Israel and thus save the Palestinian people. What is it you don't understand there?
Any one like UAE or Saudi backing Israel is doing so for political reasons, not because Israel are on the rightIf you look into it and do your research then you will see why they are acting the way they are.
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You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
So you keep saying Israel are not in the right? What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
Hamas are too cowardly to fight them in the open because they can't win and use their own people as human shields.
Real men don't take women hostages in the street. Real men don't hide behind innocent people. Freedom fighters don't sucker punch innocent people at a music festival.
Hamas knew this would be the reaction of Israel and sanctioned the attacks anyway.
posted on 1/11/23
What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
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To withdraw, give the homes back and end aparthied. Obviously.
posted on 1/11/23
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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It is difficult to destroy cowards to use innocent women and children as their shields. You're quite right.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
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To withdraw, give the homes back and end aparthied. Obviously.
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How can anyone with a working brain suggest anything else as a solution to the conflict?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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It is difficult to destroy cowards to use innocent women and children as their shields. You're quite right.
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Cowards? The fack are you on about? I've never seen freedom fighters struggling against a far superior force hiding out in the open. That would be stoopid.
You want them to not hide and get annihilated by Israel within seconds? Makes sense.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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I'm calling bullsheet on your claims. Can you substantiate them?
If you think any Arab countries will will back Israel in the end without them being coerced into it, then you will be shocked saan.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
What should their response have been then? To do nothing?
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To withdraw, give the homes back and end aparthied. Obviously.
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How can anyone with a working brain suggest anything else as a solution to the conflict?
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I don't even think it's a conflicts. Conflicts are normally to do with border disputes and so on.
This is a brutal occupation spanning decades and legalised aparthied.
Just leave.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas need overthrowing and wiping out. It's the only way this conflict ever has a chance at ending.
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Are you having trouble reading?
Hamas didn't exist before 1987 and the conflict never stopped.
Hamas doesn't exist in the West Bank and the Israel proceeds with apartheid there.
How do you propose to wipe out Hamas? It's impossible to destroy them with bombs, that's not debatable. Only way is to attack their ideology and basis for existing.
The end of Hamas and this conflict begins with equal rights and justice for all human beings.
That much is clear to anyone that is genuinely interested in peace, as opposed to Israel sympathisers, who try as they may, cannot hide their overflowing bias within their comments and every solution they suggest just favours Israel's cause and hurts Palestinians.
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It is difficult to destroy cowards to use innocent women and children as their shields. You're quite right.
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Cowards? The fack are you on about? I've never seen freedom fighters struggling against a far superior force hiding out in the open. That would be stoopid.
You want them to not hide and get annihilated by Israel within seconds? Makes sense.
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Stopped reading at Freedom fighters. 😂
Freedom fighters don't take hostages of women. Freedom fighters don't sucker punch and attack innocent people at a music festival.
They are Terrorists. If you can't see that then it's because you don't want to see it.
Hamas are no better than Israel.
posted on 1/11/23
You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
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Pot kettle black for sure. Even though I just called Hamas despicable? Are you reading the same comments as me or is someone intercepting my comments and misrepresenting me?
You seem to just invent whatever reality is convenient to you.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 seconds ago
You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
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Pot kettle black for sure. Even though I just called Hamas despicable? Are you reading the same comments as me or is someone intercepting my comments and misrepresenting me?
You seem to just invent whatever reality is convenient to you.
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You've just called them freedom fighters.
So what are they? Despicable or freedom fighters? You see you're contradictory even in your own argument.
Which is it?
They are TERRORISTS. Spell it. Say it. Accept it.
posted on 1/11/23
Freedom fighters don't take hostages of women. Freedom fighters don't sucker punch and attack innocent people at a music festival.
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Whether you like it or not, freedom fighters throughout history have done these things.
They are fighting an entity that has been dropping bombs on schools and hospitals for decades ripping to pieces innocent women and children who think they are safe. Do I need to list Israel's rapsheet here?
So they are supposed to spare the occupiers civilians when the occupiers calls them animals and slaughters their civilians like goats?
Gee, that sounds fair coming from you, right?
But you don't mention that, it only matters to you when Hamas do it, not when Israel do it?
You're a biased hopeless idiot.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 seconds ago
You're very one sided as I say. You sound like a Hamas apologist. I on the other hand notice great evils on both sides. Always have.
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Pot kettle black for sure. Even though I just called Hamas despicable? Are you reading the same comments as me or is someone intercepting my comments and misrepresenting me?
You seem to just invent whatever reality is convenient to you.
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You've just called them freedom fighters.
So what are they? Despicable or freedom fighters? You see you're contradictory even in your own argument.
Which is it?
They are TERRORISTS. Spell it. Say it. Accept it.
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Of course they are terrorists too.
But so is Israel. Spell it. Say it. Accept it.
posted on 1/11/23
So what are they? Despicable or freedom fighters? You see you're contradictory even in your own argument.
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You need to look up the word contradictory in the dictionary.
Freedom fighters are often despicable, throughout all history they commit heinous acts.
Another example is Mandela the terrorist. Arrested and jailed by some other massive occupying caaaants for being a terrorist. So in your opinion was Mandela and his ANC party also terrorists as labeled or freedom fighters?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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What makes you think I'm not from the west? Just how stoopid are you?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?
You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.
In the west? So where are you from them?
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What makes you think I'm not from the west? Just how stoopid are you?
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Just the way you made the point about the west. Made it seem you're not from here and hence more enlightened somehow. Apologies if I misconstrued that.
Are the Israeli government seen internationally as Terrorists like Hamas are then? I don't believe they are. Quite a lot of people have said their actions have gone too far, myself included, but they aren't labelled Terrorists are they? Why is this?
Do the UK, US, France, Germany Canada etc see Israel as Terrorists?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 8 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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So Robb. Are you asking British people to vote Conservative at the coming General Election?
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Strange way to defend Starmer.
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Im not defending him, Im supporting him. The UK election wont be fought over this issue. You seem to be suggesting that UK voters shouldn't support him over this issue.
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I'm not really sure what people expect Starmer to do. He's not in power, and even if he became PM tomorrow, he still wouldn't be able to do anything in this conflict. Isreal will always do whatever it wants so long as the US has its back.
And as sad as the situation is over there right now, it's going to have a minor impact on our next GE as the majority of voters will care more about their own lives improving.
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The impact it will have is people judging Starmer as a leader. Not necessarily about what position he takes on this issue but his conviction. The issue some will have is that he appears to be sitting on the fence and doing what works best for his position. Not trying to alienate anyone by taking a strong position in case it costs him votes or support. More vanilla and lacking conviction.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 8 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Starmer is such a coward right now. I understand he’s playing the game but hopefully people remember how little spine he has.
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So Robb. Are you asking British people to vote Conservative at the coming General Election?
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Strange way to defend Starmer.
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Im not defending him, Im supporting him. The UK election wont be fought over this issue. You seem to be suggesting that UK voters shouldn't support him over this issue.
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I'm not really sure what people expect Starmer to do. He's not in power, and even if he became PM tomorrow, he still wouldn't be able to do anything in this conflict. Isreal will always do whatever it wants so long as the US has its back.
And as sad as the situation is over there right now, it's going to have a minor impact on our next GE as the majority of voters will care more about their own lives improving.
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The impact it will have is people judging Starmer as a leader. Not necessarily about what position he takes on this issue but his conviction. The issue some will have is that he appears to be sitting on the fence and doing what works best for his position. Not trying to alienate anyone by taking a strong position in case it costs him votes or support. More vanilla and lacking conviction.
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He is not sitting on the fence. He is toeing the "Israel has a right to defend itself" line.
posted on 1/11/23
I suspect their foreign policy will be different once there’s full scale displacement of the Palestinians from Israeli land.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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Are the Israeli government seen internationally as Terrorists like Hamas are then?
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Yes.
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