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posted on 1/11/23

Our government, the US government, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are all wrong then? That's essentially what you're saying.
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For supporting an occupying force and an aparthied state that has been shooting children on the West Bank (where there is no Hamas) for decades?

Yes, of course I am.

posted on 1/11/23

Yes of course they are*

posted on 1/11/23

comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 4 minutes ago
As far as I'm concerned, both sides are as bad as each other and only dialogue will sort this out. Trump wanted to build a wall between US and Mexico which was nonsensical, perhaps Israel and Palestine need such a wall built to keep themselves apart.
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The little problem is Israel want the whole of Palestine and Hamas doesn't believe Israel have a right to exist.

There is just too much hate on both sides.

We are at the beginning of the end game for that part of the world. Israel have USA and UK as back up and Palestine have Iran, Yeman and who knows who else.
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Israel have a lot more than UK & USA backing them. Try most of the western world!
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Lets see who is prepared to send their troops. USA and UK will send back ups in an instant.
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Israel have an army twice the size of the UK. They don't need troops or anyone backing them up. They could crush them quite easily without anyone's assistance.

Can anyone blame them for having such a huge army either with those nutters living on their doorstep who want to see them eradicated from the planet? Hamas don't want peace. They want war.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Our government, the US government, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are all wrong then? That's essentially what you're saying.
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For supporting an occupying force and an aparthied state that has been shooting children on the West Bank (where there is no Hamas) for decades?

Yes, of course I am.
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That's almost like shooting children and parents at peaceful party where there is no Israeli army

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
What weird is that people are willing to accept the word of our Government, just because.

Do you think Mandela was a terrorist, because our Government did.

Most normal people consider him an anti-apartheid activist.

Personally I don't give fvck who were sullied with. Wasn't do long ago that this country thought Hitler was okay and look how that turned out.

For me, if you support Israel, you support apartheid, which I'm not up for.

You can make your own choice.
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I think Hamas are terrorists because I saw some of the videos from the attack, not because our government says so.

I don't support Israel but freedom fighters don't torture and kill innocent people at a music festivals before parading their bodies through the street.

posted on 1/11/23

I think the semantics of calling Israel an occupying force aren’t exactly accurate. It implies that it’s temporary ownership of land.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Our government, the US government, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are all wrong then? That's essentially what you're saying.
=====

For supporting an occupying force and an aparthied state that has been shooting children on the West Bank (where there is no Hamas) for decades?

Yes, of course I am.
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That's almost like shooting children and parents at peaceful party where there is no Israeli army
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Yep.

It's become about revenge really.

As such I feel, that in order to start a peace process, Israel would need to end their occupation, end aparthied and end what many believe is a genuine attempt at genocide to see if we can make some progress.

As said, it's your choice which side if history you want yo fall on.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
Israel as a state never existed and will not. It’s alll western hypocrisy and money.
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You guys should remove wars from your discussion. You guys will never see the big picture. Anyone fighting a war they cannot win wants to kill it's people.

Take your time and look at Afghanistan. Trying to fight a "good war" and losing everything. Money, time and the people back into living in misery. Israel does not intend to lose to public opinion.
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It's not a war is it?

Israel with fighter jets, tanks and air-to-air missiles against Palestinians who are unarmed other than walking sticks and stones (Not HAMAS who are Isreali creation)

This is oppressive occupation of land and a genocide is happening now. We should as humans talk about it as the least we can do.
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Tell that to US when they downed the towers. A war is when you staying in your home is disturbed. There is no proportionate response. You make sure the cost are known so it never happens. Bibi wanted this but if you are in a situation you cannot win, if you care for your people you stop and sue for peace it took 2 nuclear bombs to make Japan stop. To make Hamas stop, the response needs to be drastic.

posted on 1/11/23

Its clear to me that a load of people have no idea what they're on about. Stick to football lads, although most of yas have no idea about that either

posted on 1/11/23

Israel has said it is not subject to the ICC’s authority because it did not sign the Rome statute that established the court and came into force in 2002. The US has backed this position, saying that it “firmly opposes” any investigation on the grounds that “Israel is not a party to the ICC” and that “the Palestinians do not qualify as a sovereign state”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply

There we have it, Israel innocent, Palestine guilty of everything

posted on 1/11/23

Not sure why the ICC are getting involved, but England have been committing crimes against cricket this world cup.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Our government, the US government, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are all wrong then? That's essentially what you're saying.
=====

For supporting an occupying force and an aparthied state that has been shooting children on the West Bank (where there is no Hamas) for decades?

Yes, of course I am.
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That's almost like shooting children and parents at peaceful party where there is no Israeli army
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Yep.

It's become about revenge really.

As such I feel, that in order to start a peace process, Israel would need to end their occupation, end aparthied and end what many believe is a genuine attempt at genocide to see if we can make some progress.

As said, it's your choice which side if history you want yo fall on.
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Neither side. The Jews have been oppressed around the world for ,I don't know, centuries. Culminating in the holocaust. I'm on the side of Israel existing, I'm not on the side of land grabbing, knowingly killing peaceful people, using overwhelming force.
So no side of history.

posted on 1/11/23

Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.

That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure why the ICC are getting involved, but England have been committing crimes against cricket this world cup.
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I’d extradite Netanyahu and the WC squad to The Hague if it was up to me

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.

That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.
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According to some on here I’d imagine they think 1 Israeli life is worth the death of 200 Palestinian ones

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 4 minutes ago
As far as I'm concerned, both sides are as bad as each other and only dialogue will sort this out. Trump wanted to build a wall between US and Mexico which was nonsensical, perhaps Israel and Palestine need such a wall built to keep themselves apart.
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The little problem is Israel want the whole of Palestine and Hamas doesn't believe Israel have a right to exist.

There is just too much hate on both sides.

We are at the beginning of the end game for that part of the world. Israel have USA and UK as back up and Palestine have Iran, Yeman and who knows who else.
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Israel have a lot more than UK & USA backing them. Try most of the western world!
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Lets see who is prepared to send their troops. USA and UK will send back ups in an instant.
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Israel have an army twice the size of the UK. They don't need troops or anyone backing them up. They could crush them quite easily without anyone's assistance.

Can anyone blame them for having such a huge army either with those nutters living on their doorstep who want to see them eradicated from the planet? Hamas don't want peace. They want war.
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US special forces are already there. The white house delted a pic of them with Biden when he visited. Not to mention the war ship they have docked and more which are currently on there way

https://x.com/Sprinter99800/status/1719357091821875303?s=20

Most of the Israeli army are citizens, they have to have military service when they turn 18. They have numbers but how many of them will be ready of a long battle?

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure why the ICC are getting involved, but England have been committing crimes against cricket this world cup.
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I’d extradite Netanyahu and the WC squad to The Hague if it was up to me
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They should maybe recruit some of Hamas into the England squad as they’ve found themselves adept at hitting boundaries.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure why the ICC are getting involved, but England have been committing crimes against cricket this world cup.
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I’d extradite Netanyahu and the WC squad to The Hague if it was up to me
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posted on 1/11/23

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also, can you show us where "The UAE have already come out in support of Israel and Saudi Arabia are apparently heading the same way"?

You're even making stuff up. Why is the Israel propaganda so strong in the west?
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I'm not making stuff up. This has been widely discussed in the media.

In the west? So where are you from them?
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What makes you think I'm not from the west? Just how stoopid are you?
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Just the way you made the point about the west. Made it seem you're not from here and hence more enlightened somehow. Apologies if I misconstrued that.

Are the Israeli government seen internationally as Terrorists like Hamas are then? I don't believe they are. Quite a lot of people have said their actions have gone too far, myself included, but they aren't labelled Terrorists are they? Why is this?

Do the UK, US, France, Germany Canada etc see Israel as Terrorists?
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I am from the west and not from the west. It doesn't matter. However, I m definitely more enlightened than you. What more proof do you need apart from our exchange on this thread? You're definitely not at my level as you think it's the US or France or whoever that determines who is a terrorist.

posted on 1/11/23

It's not one way from either side.

Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

I don't have the equivalent of Palestinians killed by Israel before this current conflict, but it's certainly more now.

Can they both not understand that people are the same, with the same hopes for the future. Sit down in good faith and make a proper peace and watch the region flourish.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 10 minutes ago
Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.

That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.
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They don't even care about their own people.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Our government, the US government, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are all wrong then? That's essentially what you're saying.
=====

For supporting an occupying force and an aparthied state that has been shooting children on the West Bank (where there is no Hamas) for decades?

Yes, of course I am.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's almost like shooting children and parents at peaceful party where there is no Israeli army
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yep.

It's become about revenge really.

As such I feel, that in order to start a peace process, Israel would need to end their occupation, end aparthied and end what many believe is a genuine attempt at genocide to see if we can make some progress.

As said, it's your choice which side if history you want yo fall on.
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Neither side. The Jews have been oppressed around the world for ,I don't know, centuries. Culminating in the holocaust. I'm on the side of Israel existing, I'm not on the side of land grabbing, knowingly killing peaceful people, using overwhelming force.
So no side of history.
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There is no real debate about Israel existing. Only extremists deny that. The Palestine authority in the West Bank, which Israel refuses to recognise, actually recognises Israel's right to exist and been calling for talks but Israel won't oblige, instead preferring to highlight and pay more attention to Hamas.

The relatively peaceful PLO does not serve Israel's interests. They want the violent Hamas so they can have an excuse to genocide the Palestinians.

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.

That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.
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According to some on here I’d imagine they think 1 Israeli life is worth the death of 200 Palestinian ones
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If Palestinians want to not be in the middle of this they go out catch 2-10 thousands of Hamas and give them to the Israeli. Even the ones not supporting them would change their minds. Theres no room for pity

posted on 1/11/23

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.

That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

According to some on here I’d imagine they think 1 Israeli life is worth the death of 200 Palestinian ones
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If Palestinians want to not be in the middle of this they go out catch 2-10 thousands of Hamas and give them to the Israeli. Even the ones not supporting them would change their minds. Theres no room for pity
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posted on 1/11/23

The geniuses you come across on here.

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