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comment by Shaun M - supercalifragilisticOrtaisatrocious (U9955)
posted 4 minutes ago
As far as I'm concerned, both sides are as bad as each other and only dialogue will sort this out. Trump wanted to build a wall between US and Mexico which was nonsensical, perhaps Israel and Palestine need such a wall built to keep themselves apart.
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The little problem is Israel want the whole of Palestine and Hamas doesn't believe Israel have a right to exist.
There is just too much hate on both sides.
We are at the beginning of the end game for that part of the world. Israel have USA and UK as back up and Palestine have Iran, Yeman and who knows who else.
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Israel have a lot more than UK & USA backing them. Try most of the western world!
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Lets see who is prepared to send their troops. USA and UK will send back ups in an instant.
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No we wont.
weird i cant find any delta force footage in palestine
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.
That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.
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According to some on here I’d imagine they think 1 Israeli life is worth the death of 200 Palestinian ones
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If Palestinians want to not be in the middle of this they go out catch 2-10 thousands of Hamas and give them to the Israeli. Even the ones not supporting them would change their minds. Theres no room for pity
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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What happened to the sharing agreements that had worked reasonably well for a while in the past?
I used to say the same thing back when I backed Israel blindly because I didn't know better. Read up about this as well because it's doable.
Israel is a racist apartheid rogue state that doesn't abide by international law. Why people back them is really questionable in their current format. Jews deserve the right to exist and have their own land and so do the Palestinians. Israel doesn't want a 1 or 2 state solution. They want gaza and the west bank as their own for their own people. They purposely make the daily lives of Palestinians hell so they leave by their own accord or by force it's their end goal and we in the UK blindly follow and support them.
They created Hamas ffs. The Zionist agenda is repulsive where CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS are treated like animals. They literally spit on Christians as its tradition. The self proclaimed people of the light dropping bombs on innocents in gods name.
I categorically do not support Hamas killing innocent civilians as this goes against islamic teachings but this agends where babies were beheaded and 1400 innocents were killed by them is false. 356 solidiers were attacked and killed as well as around 200 police etc. You can even find content and eyewitnesses who are Israeli and suggest many deaths were the heavy handed IDF refusing to allow hamas to take hostages and deciding to kill all in the vicinity to take out the "terrorists"
By international law Hamas is allowed to resist ILLEGAL occupation. All the reporting is purposely one sided so idiots like 52 and se85 can claim to be impartial but back the apartheid regime.
https://youtu.be/m-3BK4y046k?si=foCbaS8r23g8YTac
I don't claim anything, and will go with idiot.
But other people have other views, but they may not agree with yours From today's Times, another idiot writes
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2dfb712c-780d-11ee-b861-bff63f5f7486?shareToken=7666e36f647971ff9cf399d79563d8ec
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
I don't agree with the occupation,except for Israel's original boundaries.. I've said this quite a few times.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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What happened to the sharing agreements that had worked reasonably well for a while in the past?
I used to say the same thing back when I backed Israel blindly because I didn't know better. Read up about this as well because it's doable.
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Islam get 3 holy lands and Israel get none. That was your solution earlier in the debate. They should abandon the West Bank you said.
Now you're saying go back to sharing it. Which is it?
Can you stick to one solution or is that to tough to ask of you?
Can I ask what reading you have been doing on the matter? As it seems to be this reading you speak of is rather biased and perhaps may I add from a certain point of view ONLY.
Israel aren't going to give up their spiritual home. Islam have 3. Wouldn't the best solution be that Palestine give up Jerusalem if we are going to talk compromises? That
obviously isn't going to happen in a million years I realise but it seems to be fairer to me than what you're suggesting and also from a non religious persons point of view.
Are you a person of faith yourself?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4&t=183s - people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4- people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
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Do you believe Israel has the right to exist within the first agreed boundary as proposed by the UN ?
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4&t=183s - people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
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comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4&t=183s - people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
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Nobody should be in your eyes yet.....
The US, UK, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are siding with Israel. That's the vast majority of the western world and also most of the major democracies on earth.
Go figure eh? Seems like you've got quite a lot of people to convince.
When you say the vast majority what you actually mean is an exceptionally small minority of people in power.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
Islam get 3 holy lands and Israel get none.
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Anyone reasoning like this is just plain stoopid surely?
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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@Son of Q. Nice try, liar. Please produce the wiki page I allegedly quoted. Plain and simple made up lie.
@Optimus You and your motives have been found out, end of.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Islam get 3 holy lands and Israel get none.
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Anyone reasoning like this is just plain stoopid surely?
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Agreed. Needing one 'holy land' is embarrassing enough. How much room for make believe fairies do we really need??
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 26 minutes ago
Do you believe Israel has the right to exist within the first agreed boundary as proposed by the UN ?
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If you're asking me whether I believe the State of Israel deserves to exist as a political entity, no I do not. And that does not mean I believe Jews don't deserve to have their own land or that I believe in extinguishing Jews - as I'm not a genocidal warlord maniac and I am aware Jews have suffered rampant anti-semitism even before WW2 - but I do believe any land they want to live in should not (have) come at the expense of the incumbent population during that time. I believe they do not deserve exclusive rights or privileges over another people. I also believe it was not the job of the British, US, Russia and Italy to determine that Jews could displace Arabs during the Sykes-Picot agreement - especially as this decision was made without the consent and consultation of those already living there.
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
Nobody should be in your eyes yet.....
The US, UK, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are siding with Israel. That's the vast majority of the western world and also most of the major democracies on earth.
Go figure eh? Seems like you've got quite a lot of people to convince.
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Yeah, because it's not like these countries have self-serving interests or strategic/political goals themselves which are dependent on Israel...it's not like a bunch of these countries you named were/are complicit in the subjugation of Palestinians and, to this day, influence US foreign policy (which is what Netanyahu himself has admitted).
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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@Son of Q. Nice try, liar. Please produce the wiki page I allegedly quoted. Plain and simple made up lie.
@Optimus You and your motives have been found out, end of.
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You don't even know what a motive is saan
Your silly arguments we're all the rave bak in the 80s. Don't you have internet access to counter check some of the bullsheet you're spewing?
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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Do you believe Israel has the right to exist within the first agreed boundary as proposed by the UN ?
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If you're asking me whether I believe the State of Israel deserves to exist as a political entity, no I do not. And that does not mean I believe Jews don't deserve to have their own land or that I believe in extinguishing Jews - as I'm not a genocidal warlord maniac and I am aware Jews have suffered rampant anti-semitism even before WW2 - but I do believe any land they want to live in should not (have) come at the expense of the incumbent population during that time. I believe they do not deserve exclusive rights or privileges over another people. I also believe it was not the job of the British, US, Russia and Italy to determine that Jews could displace Arabs during the Sykes-Picot agreement - especially as this decision was made without the consent and consultation of those already living there.
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Good answer tbf.
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As far as I'm concerned, both sides are as bad as each other and only dialogue will sort this out. Trump wanted to build a wall between US and Mexico which was nonsensical, perhaps Israel and Palestine need such a wall built to keep themselves apart.
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The little problem is Israel want the whole of Palestine and Hamas doesn't believe Israel have a right to exist.
There is just too much hate on both sides.
We are at the beginning of the end game for that part of the world. Israel have USA and UK as back up and Palestine have Iran, Yeman and who knows who else.
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Israel have a lot more than UK & USA backing them. Try most of the western world!
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Lets see who is prepared to send their troops. USA and UK will send back ups in an instant.
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No we wont.
posted on 1/11/23
weird i cant find any delta force footage in palestine
posted on 1/11/23
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
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comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
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Israeli airstrikes on Jabalia camp yesterday killed seven more Israeli captives in Gaza.
That would bring the total number of Israelis killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza to 57.
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According to some on here I’d imagine they think 1 Israeli life is worth the death of 200 Palestinian ones
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If Palestinians want to not be in the middle of this they go out catch 2-10 thousands of Hamas and give them to the Israeli. Even the ones not supporting them would change their minds. Theres no room for pity
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posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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What happened to the sharing agreements that had worked reasonably well for a while in the past?
I used to say the same thing back when I backed Israel blindly because I didn't know better. Read up about this as well because it's doable.
posted on 1/11/23
Israel is a racist apartheid rogue state that doesn't abide by international law. Why people back them is really questionable in their current format. Jews deserve the right to exist and have their own land and so do the Palestinians. Israel doesn't want a 1 or 2 state solution. They want gaza and the west bank as their own for their own people. They purposely make the daily lives of Palestinians hell so they leave by their own accord or by force it's their end goal and we in the UK blindly follow and support them.
They created Hamas ffs. The Zionist agenda is repulsive where CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS are treated like animals. They literally spit on Christians as its tradition. The self proclaimed people of the light dropping bombs on innocents in gods name.
I categorically do not support Hamas killing innocent civilians as this goes against islamic teachings but this agends where babies were beheaded and 1400 innocents were killed by them is false. 356 solidiers were attacked and killed as well as around 200 police etc. You can even find content and eyewitnesses who are Israeli and suggest many deaths were the heavy handed IDF refusing to allow hamas to take hostages and deciding to kill all in the vicinity to take out the "terrorists"
By international law Hamas is allowed to resist ILLEGAL occupation. All the reporting is purposely one sided so idiots like 52 and se85 can claim to be impartial but back the apartheid regime.
https://youtu.be/m-3BK4y046k?si=foCbaS8r23g8YTac
posted on 1/11/23
I don't claim anything, and will go with idiot.
But other people have other views, but they may not agree with yours From today's Times, another idiot writes
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2dfb712c-780d-11ee-b861-bff63f5f7486?shareToken=7666e36f647971ff9cf399d79563d8ec
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
posted on 1/11/23
I don't agree with the occupation,except for Israel's original boundaries.. I've said this quite a few times.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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What happened to the sharing agreements that had worked reasonably well for a while in the past?
I used to say the same thing back when I backed Israel blindly because I didn't know better. Read up about this as well because it's doable.
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Islam get 3 holy lands and Israel get none. That was your solution earlier in the debate. They should abandon the West Bank you said.
Now you're saying go back to sharing it. Which is it?
Can you stick to one solution or is that to tough to ask of you?
Can I ask what reading you have been doing on the matter? As it seems to be this reading you speak of is rather biased and perhaps may I add from a certain point of view ONLY.
Israel aren't going to give up their spiritual home. Islam have 3. Wouldn't the best solution be that Palestine give up Jerusalem if we are going to talk compromises? That
obviously isn't going to happen in a million years I realise but it seems to be fairer to me than what you're suggesting and also from a non religious persons point of view.
Are you a person of faith yourself?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4&t=183s - people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4- people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
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Do you believe Israel has the right to exist within the first agreed boundary as proposed by the UN ?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4&t=183s - people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
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posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
At the end of the day Israel see Jerusalem as the spiritual home of its people. In fact It's accepted all across the globe as the spiritual birth place of Judaism and also Christianity.
Islam is more complex. They can't quite decide so they have 3 different places on earth in Medina, Mecca and also one in Jerusalem. Greedy. 😉
The solution here by some is for Israel to give up their holy land and let Islam keep it and therefore keeping all 3? Obviously it's far more complex of a situation than that with thousands of spin off debates that but essentially that's what you're saying Israel should do. Abandon their holy land.
Can't you see how absolutely and unbelievably ridiculous that stance is? I'm not a religious person myself a d believe in no god but you can kind of see Israel's point. Islam gets to keep their 3 holy lands and what do the Jews get? Do they have to invent another? 😂
This is why this conflict will never end.
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Right, well, first of all, this is a total disingenuous framing of the issue and I'm not entirely sure why you're choosing to use this as your argument, but whatever.
Firstly, Jerusalem is significant to all the Abrahamic faiths - including Christianity, and Palestinian Christians have also been casualties of this genocide. There was a team where everyone lived together in peace and in unity, it is only in recent years where the line you are parroting has become more significant amongst Zionist circles. This also ignores the fact that Jewish religious scripture prohibits them from entering that compound anyway.
Secondly, as I have alluded to, this is not a religious issue. This is an issue of settler colonialism and ethnic supremacy taking precedence over the basic human rights of all Palestinians. A lot of the Jews in Israel aren't even practicing or religious Jews. In fact, there are a significant number that identify as 'Atheist Jews'. Yet they still see Israel as their ancestral homeland despite having no ties to the region.
Thirdly, I'm not sure if you know about this, but they have a program called 'Birthright'. Look it up. When you have, please explain how this is fair to the indigenous Palestinian population.
The reason why this conflict won't end soon is because of the power that the Zionists have within the region where they believe it is their right to live in land due to their 'superior status'. Watch this if you want to know what these settlers think about Palestinians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4&t=183s - people from New York and Moscow believe they deserve to live there over any Arab who have lived there for decades simply because of their 'Jewishness'. How is that reasonable in any capacity? There is another word for what we call this...
They've also contravened countless UN resolutions and have been lambasted by literally hundreds of independent Human Rights organisations.
All of which has led to incessant bombing of refugee camps, hospitals, civilian buildings and businesses; the forcible displacement of Palestinians for more illegal settlements; denying them basic freedom of movement; having different laws and regulations in Israeli Courts for Jews compared to the Palestinians (Palestinians aren't even allowed translators - see the case of Sheikh Jarrah); and the murder, imprisonment, torture and persecution of children, women and innocent men.
Israel are the occupying force trying to eradicate lineages of indigenous people in order to preserve their self-proclaimed status. We have seen this before in history and it is happening again.
No-one with any modicum of compassion and basic human decency should be on the side of the oppressors.
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Nobody should be in your eyes yet.....
The US, UK, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are siding with Israel. That's the vast majority of the western world and also most of the major democracies on earth.
Go figure eh? Seems like you've got quite a lot of people to convince.
posted on 1/11/23
indigenous
hmm
posted on 1/11/23
When you say the vast majority what you actually mean is an exceptionally small minority of people in power.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
posted on 1/11/23
Islam get 3 holy lands and Israel get none.
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Anyone reasoning like this is just plain stoopid surely?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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@Son of Q. Nice try, liar. Please produce the wiki page I allegedly quoted. Plain and simple made up lie.
@Optimus You and your motives have been found out, end of.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
Islam get 3 holy lands and Israel get none.
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Anyone reasoning like this is just plain stoopid surely?
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Agreed. Needing one 'holy land' is embarrassing enough. How much room for make believe fairies do we really need??
posted on 1/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 26 minutes ago
Do you believe Israel has the right to exist within the first agreed boundary as proposed by the UN ?
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If you're asking me whether I believe the State of Israel deserves to exist as a political entity, no I do not. And that does not mean I believe Jews don't deserve to have their own land or that I believe in extinguishing Jews - as I'm not a genocidal warlord maniac and I am aware Jews have suffered rampant anti-semitism even before WW2 - but I do believe any land they want to live in should not (have) come at the expense of the incumbent population during that time. I believe they do not deserve exclusive rights or privileges over another people. I also believe it was not the job of the British, US, Russia and Italy to determine that Jews could displace Arabs during the Sykes-Picot agreement - especially as this decision was made without the consent and consultation of those already living there.
posted on 1/11/23
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
Nobody should be in your eyes yet.....
The US, UK, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are siding with Israel. That's the vast majority of the western world and also most of the major democracies on earth.
Go figure eh? Seems like you've got quite a lot of people to convince.
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Yeah, because it's not like these countries have self-serving interests or strategic/political goals themselves which are dependent on Israel...it's not like a bunch of these countries you named were/are complicit in the subjugation of Palestinians and, to this day, influence US foreign policy (which is what Netanyahu himself has admitted).
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Lionkay (U10690)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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@Son of Q. Nice try, liar. Please produce the wiki page I allegedly quoted. Plain and simple made up lie.
@Optimus You and your motives have been found out, end of.
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You don't even know what a motive is saan
Your silly arguments we're all the rave bak in the 80s. Don't you have internet access to counter check some of the bullsheet you're spewing?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 26 minutes ago
Do you believe Israel has the right to exist within the first agreed boundary as proposed by the UN ?
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If you're asking me whether I believe the State of Israel deserves to exist as a political entity, no I do not. And that does not mean I believe Jews don't deserve to have their own land or that I believe in extinguishing Jews - as I'm not a genocidal warlord maniac and I am aware Jews have suffered rampant anti-semitism even before WW2 - but I do believe any land they want to live in should not (have) come at the expense of the incumbent population during that time. I believe they do not deserve exclusive rights or privileges over another people. I also believe it was not the job of the British, US, Russia and Italy to determine that Jews could displace Arabs during the Sykes-Picot agreement - especially as this decision was made without the consent and consultation of those already living there.
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Good answer tbf.
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