comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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Well said and this the THE question people must ask themselves more often.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Offered a state in the place they'd lived for centuries by the people who had been abusing Jews for centuries.
Genius.
While we're at it why don't Kurds have a homeland?
The suffering of the Jews is historical to this day. The holocaust, which killed six million Jews , meant that a Jewish state of there own, to live in in safety, to develop, was more than just desirable.
The original charter, ( not sure that's the right word ) signed by Ben Gurion stated that any citizen of any age, religion or gender should have equal rights.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Are they supposed to accept any statehood offered? What were the terms of the offer? See you later when you've looked into why the "state" was rejected.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
Nobody should be in your eyes yet.....
The US, UK, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are siding with Israel. That's the vast majority of the western world and also most of the major democracies on earth.
Go figure eh? Seems like you've got quite a lot of people to convince.
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Yeah, because it's not like these countries have self-serving interests or strategic/political goals themselves which are dependent on Israel...it's not like a bunch of these countries you named were/are complicit in the subjugation of Palestinians and, to this day, influence US foreign policy (which is what Netanyahu himself has admitted).
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These are democracies, powerful ones, and we vote them in and out of power. Israel are one of these democracies too.
Now with Hamas..... explain to me how they work? What is a terrorist and militant group's view on democracy? The last election there was what over 15 years ago wasn't it? 😂
Israel is internationally recognised as a democracy. The Palestinian authority is recognised as an authoritarian regime.
A democracy against a militant regime.....Is it any wonder why the whole world are siding with Israel?
Remind me again who are the real oppressors? What is it about that part of the world that just love living under a dictatorship eh?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
The suffering of the Jews is historical to this day. The holocaust, which killed six million Jews , meant that a Jewish state of there own, to live in in safety, to develop, was more than just desirable.
The original charter, ( not sure that's the right word ) signed by Ben Gurion stated that any citizen of any age, religion or gender should have equal rights.
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Tbh, this is my major gripe. If only they'd stuck to that motto then no doubt the whole world would be better off for it.
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comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Well, no. They were being asked to concede a significant amount of their own territory on multiple occasions. It is common sense why they rejected these 'state' plans.
If someone kicked you out of your house, took over everything but said to you "You know what? Here, you can have the basement. Deal?". I suspect you wouldn't take too kindly to that.
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
posted 13 minutes ago
Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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@Son of Q. Nice try, liar. Please produce the wiki page I allegedly quoted. Plain and simple made up lie.
@Optimus You and your motives have been found out, end of.
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You don't even know what a motive is saan
Your silly arguments we're all the rave bak in the 80s. Don't you have internet access to counter check some of the bullsheet you're spewing?
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Still waiting for you to specify the fate Jews reserve to Muslims and Christians, and to where Judaïsm refers to them as impure (care to reproduce the hebrew word while you're at it?). Meanwhile your girlfriend from Québec cab show us the wiki page I apparently quoted...
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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This is a good video about the history of that region
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyvpCMBtTst/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
Israel is internationally recognised as a democracy.
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You're a lost cause if you genuinely believe the State of Israel is a democracy. You cannot look at their laws, regulations, how they treat Ethopian Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, how they've contravened international law countless times and are now bombing refugee camps and hospitals, and believe they are a 'democracy'.
They are a violent, racist, apartheid state and no amount of 'official recognition' by their allies is going to change that.
Spin it however you want, but the vast majority of people see them for what they are. It's just a shame that the real decision-makers in power care more about their own self-interests than they do about a literal genocide taking place.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Well, no. They were being asked to concede a significant amount of their own territory on multiple occasions. It is common sense why they rejected these 'state' plans.
If someone kicked you out of your house, took over everything but said to you "You know what? Here, you can have the basement. Deal?". I suspect you wouldn't take too kindly to that.
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That's what happened, but I don't think that's what was offered.
But with no Israel do you not think the suffering of the Jews would continue, that the holocaust wasn't enough to give them a place of safety.
There are many things Israel has done wrong and deserve the guilt put on them.
But I will always believe they deserve a home of their own, within the original boundaries, and the charter freedoms are enforced.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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They were ‘gifted’ a small part of the land and have since gone onto conquer the region. That isn’t to justify how they’ve done it, but it’s most certainly what has happened.
I think the argument for legitimacy on either side doesn’t really wash as it can only be achieved by force. Unfortunately for Palestine Israel have been successful in their endeavour.
https://www.facebook.com/OWSWeekTV/videos/israel-is-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world-its-existence-is-based-u/2594188614072836/
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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They were ‘gifted’ a small part of the land and have since gone onto conquer the region. That isn’t to justify how they’ve done it, but it’s most certainly what has happened.
I think the argument for legitimacy on either side doesn’t really wash as it can only be achieved by force. Unfortunately for Palestine Israel have been successful in their endeavour.
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When did Palestine actually exist as an entity?
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 3 minutes ago
https://www.facebook.com/OWSWeekTV/videos/israel-is-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world-its-existence-is-based-u/2594188614072836/
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The ability to find the most ridiculous videos with like 10 views, no proof or correlation its amazing
But with no Israel do you not think the suffering of the Jews would continue, that the holocaust wasn't enough to give them a place of safety.
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As I have said - I am not opposed to them having their own land where they can feel safe and protected. But the way the current manifestation of the State of Israel came about is not that. To give one ethnic group preferential treatment over another is despicable. And to forcibly and brutally displace the people who were already living there to make way for European Jews is despicable.
I am perfectly happy for Jews to live side by side with Muslims, Christians, Atheists etc. So long as they are all safeguarded by the same rights and laws, regardless of ethnicity, race or religion. Currently, this does not exist and it hasn't since the State of Israel was formed.
It's interesting that there are also a lot of anti-Zionist Jews protesting and calling out the current Israeli government. There are also Israeli historians who have switched sides (Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pappe, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein etc) that have been staunch critics of Israel and how it was founded.
It is also worth mentioning a lot of the Jews currently living there have no ancestral ties to the region. A lot of them are from Europe and the US. The video I posted above is testament to that.
Don't forget that the Israeli leader invoked the Bible referencing the Amaleks. Here's what it commands:
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
[1 Samuel 15:3]
This is their murderous ideology. They don't even believe in sparing children and babies.
Going back in time isn't going to help. If we are doing that then the Arabs would still be running the largest slave trade on earth. Ironically they still are to a degree for the large building projects they take on.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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They were ‘gifted’ a small part of the land and have since gone onto conquer the region. That isn’t to justify how they’ve done it, but it’s most certainly what has happened.
I think the argument for legitimacy on either side doesn’t really wash as it can only be achieved by force. Unfortunately for Palestine Israel have been successful in their endeavour.
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When did Palestine actually exist as an entity?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyvpCMBtTst/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
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Don't forget that the Israeli leader invoked the Bible referencing the Amaleks. Here's what it commands:
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
[1 Samuel 15:3]
This is their murderous ideology. They don't even believe in sparing children and babies.
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such a lovely book
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
posted on 1/11/23
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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Well said and this the THE question people must ask themselves more often.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
posted on 1/11/23
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Offered a state in the place they'd lived for centuries by the people who had been abusing Jews for centuries.
Genius.
While we're at it why don't Kurds have a homeland?
posted on 1/11/23
The suffering of the Jews is historical to this day. The holocaust, which killed six million Jews , meant that a Jewish state of there own, to live in in safety, to develop, was more than just desirable.
The original charter, ( not sure that's the right word ) signed by Ben Gurion stated that any citizen of any age, religion or gender should have equal rights.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Are they supposed to accept any statehood offered? What were the terms of the offer? See you later when you've looked into why the "state" was rejected.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
Nobody should be in your eyes yet.....
The US, UK, Canada, Australia and the entire EU are siding with Israel. That's the vast majority of the western world and also most of the major democracies on earth.
Go figure eh? Seems like you've got quite a lot of people to convince.
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Yeah, because it's not like these countries have self-serving interests or strategic/political goals themselves which are dependent on Israel...it's not like a bunch of these countries you named were/are complicit in the subjugation of Palestinians and, to this day, influence US foreign policy (which is what Netanyahu himself has admitted).
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These are democracies, powerful ones, and we vote them in and out of power. Israel are one of these democracies too.
Now with Hamas..... explain to me how they work? What is a terrorist and militant group's view on democracy? The last election there was what over 15 years ago wasn't it? 😂
Israel is internationally recognised as a democracy. The Palestinian authority is recognised as an authoritarian regime.
A democracy against a militant regime.....Is it any wonder why the whole world are siding with Israel?
Remind me again who are the real oppressors? What is it about that part of the world that just love living under a dictatorship eh?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
The suffering of the Jews is historical to this day. The holocaust, which killed six million Jews , meant that a Jewish state of there own, to live in in safety, to develop, was more than just desirable.
The original charter, ( not sure that's the right word ) signed by Ben Gurion stated that any citizen of any age, religion or gender should have equal rights.
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Tbh, this is my major gripe. If only they'd stuck to that motto then no doubt the whole world would be better off for it.
posted on 1/11/23
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Well, no. They were being asked to concede a significant amount of their own territory on multiple occasions. It is common sense why they rejected these 'state' plans.
If someone kicked you out of your house, took over everything but said to you "You know what? Here, you can have the basement. Deal?". I suspect you wouldn't take too kindly to that.
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comment by Angelina Love is so cute (U23096)
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Israeli government is full of extremists and far right wing.Hamas is a freedom fighter organisation despite all claims by West calling it a terrorist organisation.
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Only half right. The Israeli bit.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Anyone who goes into a pop concert and kills innocent civilians is a TERRORIST. Full stop. End of story.
Not only that but they took hostages too of innocent civilians.
Freedom fighters my backside. Never heard so much BS in my life.
This is evil v evil and sadly lots of innocent lives are being taken because of it.
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Agreed
Hamas is another ISIS this created not by US but Isreael itself to fingh the freedom fighters (Arafat)
Isreal uses Hamas to mount international campaign of "look they are killing out babies these Palestinian savages" - the old colonial technique favoured by Britain in mediaval ages.
Israel occupied the land in 1948 wuth the hekp of UK and US.
Now, Israel wants to wipe out Palestinians so that it can create a nation of State of Israel which is Zionists ultimate dream. By the way, Zionist don;t care muchabout Christians either. Jews don't recognise Jesus at all. They call him the fake messiah.
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Some good points tbh. Either Hamas are extremely stoopid or were created by Israel or have been infiltrated by Israel.
Ultimately, to the Jewish religion, there is not much difference between Muslims and Christians. They're all impure and should face the same fate. Judaism also has a doctrine where they are allowed to deceive and use their enemies to achieve their aims and at this time they have beef with Muslims, not christians so they use the christians to fight the Muslims. But ultimately, even christians are impure and practice idolatry.
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What an utter load of nonesense! And what fate is it that Jews reserves to Muslims and Christians? When have you ever heard Jews refer to them as impure? The word used for non-Jews is "goyim", which simply means "peoples". Rather neutral and definitely devoid of the negative connotation of the word "impure".
You have shown your true face there, I'm afraid. Can't believe you did it so ostentatiously, I was surprised. Although I am sure you will, you can actually no longer complain if anyone calls you anti-semitic. You are clearly not "pro" one side. You are "anti" the other, and the driving force behind your reading of the whole situation has been made clear. Very sad.
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You should read the rest of the Wiki page you just quoted.
Goy is commonly used as a slur.
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He's an idiot. Plain and simple.
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@Son of Q. Nice try, liar. Please produce the wiki page I allegedly quoted. Plain and simple made up lie.
@Optimus You and your motives have been found out, end of.
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You don't even know what a motive is saan
Your silly arguments we're all the rave bak in the 80s. Don't you have internet access to counter check some of the bullsheet you're spewing?
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Still waiting for you to specify the fate Jews reserve to Muslims and Christians, and to where Judaïsm refers to them as impure (care to reproduce the hebrew word while you're at it?). Meanwhile your girlfriend from Québec cab show us the wiki page I apparently quoted...
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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This is a good video about the history of that region
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyvpCMBtTst/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
posted on 1/11/23
Israel is internationally recognised as a democracy.
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You're a lost cause if you genuinely believe the State of Israel is a democracy. You cannot look at their laws, regulations, how they treat Ethopian Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, how they've contravened international law countless times and are now bombing refugee camps and hospitals, and believe they are a 'democracy'.
They are a violent, racist, apartheid state and no amount of 'official recognition' by their allies is going to change that.
Spin it however you want, but the vast majority of people see them for what they are. It's just a shame that the real decision-makers in power care more about their own self-interests than they do about a literal genocide taking place.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Samir (U2630)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I know K7 agrees, but do Samir, and Robbing feel Israel has the right to exist within its original boundaries?
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I believe in people's right to self-determination, but I do not believe states have an inherent right to exist. The State of Israel, as an entity, should not exist because it has been formed in a illegitimate way and at the expense of millions of people.
I also abhor the fact that this question only gets asked in relation to Israel and it never gets asked to Palestine.
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At the time Israel was created , Palestine were offered a state at the same time, it was refused.
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Well, no. They were being asked to concede a significant amount of their own territory on multiple occasions. It is common sense why they rejected these 'state' plans.
If someone kicked you out of your house, took over everything but said to you "You know what? Here, you can have the basement. Deal?". I suspect you wouldn't take too kindly to that.
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That's what happened, but I don't think that's what was offered.
But with no Israel do you not think the suffering of the Jews would continue, that the holocaust wasn't enough to give them a place of safety.
There are many things Israel has done wrong and deserve the guilt put on them.
But I will always believe they deserve a home of their own, within the original boundaries, and the charter freedoms are enforced.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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They were ‘gifted’ a small part of the land and have since gone onto conquer the region. That isn’t to justify how they’ve done it, but it’s most certainly what has happened.
I think the argument for legitimacy on either side doesn’t really wash as it can only be achieved by force. Unfortunately for Palestine Israel have been successful in their endeavour.
posted on 1/11/23
https://www.facebook.com/OWSWeekTV/videos/israel-is-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world-its-existence-is-based-u/2594188614072836/
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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They were ‘gifted’ a small part of the land and have since gone onto conquer the region. That isn’t to justify how they’ve done it, but it’s most certainly what has happened.
I think the argument for legitimacy on either side doesn’t really wash as it can only be achieved by force. Unfortunately for Palestine Israel have been successful in their endeavour.
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When did Palestine actually exist as an entity?
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 3 minutes ago
https://www.facebook.com/OWSWeekTV/videos/israel-is-one-of-the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world-its-existence-is-based-u/2594188614072836/
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The ability to find the most ridiculous videos with like 10 views, no proof or correlation its amazing
posted on 1/11/23
But with no Israel do you not think the suffering of the Jews would continue, that the holocaust wasn't enough to give them a place of safety.
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As I have said - I am not opposed to them having their own land where they can feel safe and protected. But the way the current manifestation of the State of Israel came about is not that. To give one ethnic group preferential treatment over another is despicable. And to forcibly and brutally displace the people who were already living there to make way for European Jews is despicable.
I am perfectly happy for Jews to live side by side with Muslims, Christians, Atheists etc. So long as they are all safeguarded by the same rights and laws, regardless of ethnicity, race or religion. Currently, this does not exist and it hasn't since the State of Israel was formed.
It's interesting that there are also a lot of anti-Zionist Jews protesting and calling out the current Israeli government. There are also Israeli historians who have switched sides (Avi Shlaim, Ilan Pappe, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein etc) that have been staunch critics of Israel and how it was founded.
It is also worth mentioning a lot of the Jews currently living there have no ancestral ties to the region. A lot of them are from Europe and the US. The video I posted above is testament to that.
posted on 1/11/23
Don't forget that the Israeli leader invoked the Bible referencing the Amaleks. Here's what it commands:
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
[1 Samuel 15:3]
This is their murderous ideology. They don't even believe in sparing children and babies.
posted on 1/11/23
Going back in time isn't going to help. If we are doing that then the Arabs would still be running the largest slave trade on earth. Ironically they still are to a degree for the large building projects they take on.
posted on 1/11/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
States don’t usually form legitimately, though. Especially in that region of the world, which is why it’s become such a complicated continent regarding nation states.
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Sure, but the point is the way they obtained 'sovereignty' of that land wasn't through conquering it; it was gifted to them and then they expanded through colonisation. There is a distinct difference between the two.
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They were ‘gifted’ a small part of the land and have since gone onto conquer the region. That isn’t to justify how they’ve done it, but it’s most certainly what has happened.
I think the argument for legitimacy on either side doesn’t really wash as it can only be achieved by force. Unfortunately for Palestine Israel have been successful in their endeavour.
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When did Palestine actually exist as an entity?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyvpCMBtTst/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
posted on 1/11/23
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
Don't forget that the Israeli leader invoked the Bible referencing the Amaleks. Here's what it commands:
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
[1 Samuel 15:3]
This is their murderous ideology. They don't even believe in sparing children and babies.
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such a lovely book
posted on 1/11/23
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