Anything to actually add to the debate regarding football or are you just going to whinge about what other people write, as usual?

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Go cry me a river.

Fancy being such a numbnut that you have to use google to determine Cantona is overrated because some United fans still call him the king.

Cantona along with quite a few more, is imo a Premier League great.
Don't think he was great in Europe (neither were utd) or internationally but based on the Premier League, not much debate.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 30 seconds ago
I guess you could rate Cantona similar to Bergkamp. Both very influential in their teams and had a lot of success with them, scored some lovely goals but not very prolific, assisted quite a few. Both rated very highly.
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This seems about right to me.

comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 53 seconds ago
Cantona along with quite a few more, is imo a Premier League great.
Don't think he was great in Europe (neither were utd) or internationally but based on the Premier League, not much debate.
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1in 2 strike rate at international level tbf

Cantona was a brilliant footballer and a catalyst for two decades of success.

I suppose you could compare him to Shankly at Liverpool. Not the best or most successful in the respective positions in the history of their club but so, so vital for club's said history.

Whilst we're on the subject of rating players I saw quite a few clips of 90s United over the weekend. What a bloody good player Ince was.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Anything to actually add to the debate regarding football or are you just going to whinge about what other people write, as usual?

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Go cry me a river.

Fancy being such a numbnut that you have to use google to determine Cantona is overrated because some United fans still call him the king.
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Sigh, look, we also all know you’re not exactly the sharpest but what I googled was who was referred to as the King, which is Eric Cantona. Dismissing people just because they’re younger (which is not hard let’s face it) is as daft as it is predictable.

Maybe, instead of typing abuse to people who’s opinion you don’t agree with (on an opinion piece), which you’ve done throughout this thread, your time would be better spent thinking about why you’ve had to work into your old age. That way you may not be such an odious, humourless bore.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 59 seconds ago
Whilst we're on the subject of rating players I saw quite a few clips of 90s United over the weekend. What a bloody good player Ince was.
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We were talking about Ince on the LFC thread just the other day. Arguably England’s best ever DM (although loosely used as he was a b2b on a midfield two but I’m sure you take the point).

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 53 seconds ago
Cantona along with quite a few more, is imo a Premier League great.
Don't think he was great in Europe (neither were utd) or internationally but based on the Premier League, not much debate.
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1in 2 strike rate at international level tbf
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Like I said not a great. Also played in a transitional French team.

One in two at international level is very good imo, especially back then.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
One in two at international level is very good imo, especially back then.
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I don't think I ever saw one game in which Eric played for France. He may have been a lot better than I'm guessing he was.

comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
One in two at international level is very good imo, especially back then.
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I don't think I ever saw one game in which Eric played for France. He may have been a lot better than I'm guessing he was.
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He only got 45 caps and they were spread over 8 or 9 years

Sigh, look, we also all know you’re not exactly the sharpest but what I googled

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Admitting that you have to Google Cantona to evaluate your opinion. Real sharp stuff, Hoody.

It hasn’t evaluated my opinion ffs

I posted my opinion days ago, it’s pretty simple.

Don’t you get embarrassed just swinging and missing all the time? You’re just a meme these days anyway. What a clown Vidic is.

I posted my opinion days ago, it’s pretty simple.

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Based on Google telling you some United fans still call him the king. A highly stupid piece of reasoning. Even for you.

Wouldn't really say Torres was only good for a short period of time.

He obviously declined at Chelsea and due to injuries but before that he had scored 172 goals in 386 games for Atletico and Liverpool.

He was basically a 1 in 2 player for 8.5 years.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I posted my opinion days ago, it’s pretty simple.

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Based on Google telling you some United fans still call him the king. A highly stupid piece of reasoning. Even for you.
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It’s not ‘Some Utd fans’ you absolute blurt

How do you function? Just wow now that you are so far wide of the mark on this. Go and have some porridge and a nap you stupid old cvnt. Honestly, it’s just embarrassing for you now.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wouldn't really say Torres was only good for a short period of time.

He obviously declined at Chelsea and due to injuries but before that he had scored 172 goals in 386 games for Atletico and Liverpool.

He was basically a 1 in 2 player for 8.5 years.
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Played a bit deeper at Atletico too. Fact is I don’t really know anyone that overrated him. Doesn’t get near our best striker conversations so who is doing the overrating?

It’s not ‘Some Utd fans’ you absolute blurt

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Yes it is.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 seconds ago
It’s not ‘Some Utd fans’ you absolute blurt

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Yes it is.
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Just so I’m clear you think the largest internet search engine in the world is ‘some Utd fans’ and they have managed to manipulate the information super highway to the point that just some other Utd fans say it’s Law.

This is what you’re writing to the world today is it?

You d!ckhead

Just so I’m clear you think the largest internet
search engine in the world is ‘some Utd fans’

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I doubt they were some Liverpool fans.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 minutes ago
So for many people, he is seen as a great. Certainly a modern (EPL era) great anyway. On ability, that's questionable imo. Hence, overrated.

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You are questioning Cantona's ability?
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Well yes, obviously. That's the thread - whether someone is overrated for their actual ability and/or performances. And it'll be subjective.

Look, I'm not saying he wasn't an excellent footballer. He very clearly was. And I would never deny his influence over Utd. But to take the Four Four Two list as an example, they have rated Cantona above the likes of Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Vieira, Keane, Kane, Salah, Bergkamp, KdB, Suarez, Bale, Hazard, RvP (just using midfielders/forwards) - they see him as one of the best ever. That for me is a stretch.

Cantona is certainly overrated in the grand scheme of things.

He basically had four very good seasons in his career, all in the prem but that in no way elevates him to a prem great. Longevity matters. He was a very late starter as well.

they have rated Cantona above the likes of Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Vieira, Keane, Kane, Salah, Bergkamp, KdB, Suarez, Bale, Hazard, RvP (just using midfielders/forwards) - they see him as one of the best ever. That for me is a stretch.

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I would question Scholes, Keane and KDB being behind him for sure. But being in the top ten is probably about right.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
they have rated Cantona above the likes of Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Vieira, Keane, Kane, Salah, Bergkamp, KdB, Suarez, Bale, Hazard, RvP (just using midfielders/forwards) - they see him as one of the best ever. That for me is a stretch.

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I would question Scholes, Keane and KDB being behind him for sure. But being in the top ten is probably about right.
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So you overrated him then