comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted about a minute ago
I am assuming Tannadice is available so in these scenarios surely just moving the game a couplle of yards would solve the problem for all.
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From what's been said on here, Tannadice doesn't appear to have appropriate VAR facilities, so that's another can of worms
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Scotland doesn't have a functioning VAR system anyway

comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted less than a minute ago
I am assuming Tannadice is available so in these scenarios surely just moving the game a couplle of yards would solve the problem for all.
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Tannadice is not a top flight stadium. Only lower league football is played there so how do we know it would be able to host a match between two top flight teams?

Is VAR an essential part of can a game be played without it?

"or"

comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted less than a minute ago
I am assuming Tannadice is available so in these scenarios surely just moving the game a couplle of yards would solve the problem for all.
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Tannadice is not a top flight stadium. Only lower league football is played there so how do we know it would be able to host a match between two top flight teams?
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Its pitch isn’t a foot underwater?

comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted less than a minute ago
Is VAR an essential part of can a game be played without it?
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Is a Rangers pen an essential part of a game are you asking?

comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted less than a minute ago
Is VAR an essential part of can a game be played without it?
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Not essential, but just imagine if we're to win a game by a single goal that VAR likely would have chopped off

Was waiting for the penalty stuff...but it works both ways like

comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted less than a minute ago
Is VAR an essential part of can a game be played without it?
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Is a Rangers pen an essential part of a game are you asking?
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against Dundee? nope

‘It’s a Celtic-led conspiracy to keep them top of the league for longer’ (Rangers fan)

‘It’s a The Rangers plot to get it played at Ibrox. HH’
(Celtic fan)

‘There’s nae grass on that pitch cos the gadgies are smokin’ it!’ (Dundee Utd fan)

"There's fck aw wrong wae oor pitch like" (Dundee fans)

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted about a minute ago
Just seen Aberdeen's statement on VAR. Not a great day for Scottish football.

£400k a year Doncaster is getting for this shambles.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68782761
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I have do admit despite being all for var it would not surprise if we have made a mess of it.

There have been a few occasions where the lines looked dodgy as. It sounds like in the Aberdeen example they have just guessed. If var can't definitively decide seems simple that you would go with on field call

comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted about a minute ago
Just seen Aberdeen's statement on VAR. Not a great day for Scottish football.

£400k a year Doncaster is getting for this shambles.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68782761
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I have do admit despite being all for var it would not surprise if we have made a mess of it.

There have been a few occasions where the lines looked dodgy as. It sounds like in the Aberdeen example they have just guessed. If var can't definitively decide seems simple that you would go with on field call
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some of the angles they use are hilarious, it's Scottish football so they half ersed it

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
It won't be played at Ibrox.
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I know that, you know that, but it was quite funny for a few minutes
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I am about to kill one of my children for setting me up like this

comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted about a minute ago
Just seen Aberdeen's statement on VAR. Not a great day for Scottish football.

£400k a year Doncaster is getting for this shambles.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68782761
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I have do admit despite being all for var it would not surprise if we have made a mess of it.

There have been a few occasions where the lines looked dodgy as. It sounds like in the Aberdeen example they have just guessed. If var can't definitively decide seems simple that you would go with on field call
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Yup, had been kept at clear and obvious mistakes rather than forensic five minute+ examinations, would have been better.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
It won't be played at Ibrox.
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I know that, you know that, but it was quite funny for a few minutes
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I am about to kill one of my children for setting me up like this
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Ach, away and get a cold one from the cooler

comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about a minute ago
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted less than a minute ago
It won't be played at Ibrox.
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I know that, you know that, but it was quite funny for a few minutes
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I am about to kill one of my children for setting me up like this
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Ach, away and get a cold one from the cooler
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The big fwcker is sniggering away

But aye, it’s lunch and cold one time

I remember back in 2003 at Dens, Rangers needed 3 penalties to score to get a draw. So I think they'd be fine without VAR.

comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by I'm not as think as you drunk I am.......... (U2115)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted about a minute ago
Just seen Aberdeen's statement on VAR. Not a great day for Scottish football.

£400k a year Doncaster is getting for this shambles.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68782761
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I have do admit despite being all for var it would not surprise if we have made a mess of it.

There have been a few occasions where the lines looked dodgy as. It sounds like in the Aberdeen example they have just guessed. If var can't definitively decide seems simple that you would go with on field call
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some of the angles they use are hilarious, it's Scottish football so they half ersed it
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Key parts of this are:

"VAR officials had to resort to "a freeze frame" that did not allow them to decide "with the normal degree of certainty"....."while this is allowed within VAR protocols, "the Scottish FA accepted there is no conceivable way the VAR could tell definitively"

How the fck can the protocols allow for an on field decision to be overruled when the VAR cannot make a decision with a proper degree of certainty

I'm all for VAR and think it is needed within our game....but for the protocols to allow for that to happen is farcical, that isn't correcting or confirming an on field officials call, that's re-refereeing the game

For me it's not the "cheap version of VAR" that we've implemented that's the problem...it's how it's being used, and that will always be the problem

Aberdeen's issue seems to be that a freeze frame at a poor angle caused this.......no, I don't think you are ever going to guarantee getting a good angle for some things even if millions upon millions were spent.....so it simply boils down to working with what you have, and if the angles youve got don't show anything definitively, you stay with the on field call.

You only have to look at Scotland's controversial no try at the Six Nations, where I'm sure a far better and more expensive TMO system is used, to see that despite all the miney and the angles available, when it's not clear cut, they go with the on field call

I'm astonished that the SFA's VAR protocols allow for a decision to be overruled in this manner

Aberdeen’s issue is that the VAR cameras weren’t calibrated, so they couldn’t draw the lines to show if he was onside or otherwise. The VAR officials looked at a still frame and decided by their own eyes that he was offside.

They should have either deferred to the on field decision or asked the referee to take a look.

That’s why they’re talking about the cheap version.

comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted less than a minute ago
Aberdeen’s issue is that the VAR cameras weren’t calibrated, so they couldn’t draw the lines to show if he was onside or otherwise. The VAR officials looked at a still frame and decided by their own eyes that he was offside.

They should have either deferred to the on field decision or asked the referee to take a look.

That’s why they’re talking about the cheap version.
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That may be the case...but "clear and obvious error" is also the protocol...so if it isn't clear and obvious, for any reason, on field decision it should be

Complete farce

Offside decisions don’t normally fall into the ‘clear and obvious’ category for a review though.

comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted less than a minute ago
Offside decisions don’t normally fall into the ‘clear and obvious’ category for a review though.
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That's because they are usually clear and obvious with lines drawn

I think there’s cross purposes going on. Doesn’t matter.

They don't review offside because it's clear and obvious if it's offside or not

In this case it wasn't clear and obvious because they couldn't draw the lines, so on field call should stand and it shouldn't go to review because ref would be looking at exactly what VAR as and would have to make another I'll informed decisions same as was made on the pitch already, so utterly pointless