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comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Needs to be some realism. We can probably bring in 3 or 4 players a season, and of course they won't all work out. We may not got many takers for some of our players, so we either take a big loss on them or they stay until contract expires.

Assuming a new manager comes in, he is going to have to work with most of the current squad, so he needs a pragmatic approach of trying to make us tighter defensively and more clinical up front. Simple job really
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I think Arsenal and Villa provide a good model here. Once you have clarity of what you want from players you recruit (a certain level of technical security, a certain athletic level, the right profile for the role they will be used in), then you can start to build a team that's more than the sum of its parts. Those clubs have unearthed some gems, and Arsenal have spent some serious money. But not every player in Arteta's squad is elite level. We can vastly improve if we recruit coherently, and I think if we are capable of thinking clearly, we should sell and buy as many players as possible as quickly as possible. We won't turn into a great side overnight - but that's not happening with three expensive signings each summer either.
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I also think versatility in signings has been useful for Arteta, we haven't signed many specialists. While that could arguably be our downfall at the top top level, having a versatile squad allowed us to compete at that level again relatively quickly.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 16 seconds ago
T-Bag

It’s why I’d sell him this summer. I just don’t think he’s worth the hassle anymore. Would it surprise me if he has decent output next season if he stays? No it wouldn’t. Would it surprise me it he goes back to the sulking, lazy player that offers fack all the season after? Nope, we see it every other year.
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Yeah I think selling him seems like the best all round for everyone. I think you'd sell him, he'll have a couple of good seasons where people question whether or not you should have sold him (even though realistically he wouldn't have played that well if he stayed), then probably revert back to these sorts of performances again eventually. No shame in it really, motivation comes in different forms for different people, I just don't feel like staying is good for him.

posted on 29/4/24

I think the new team behind the scenes have a massive task on their hands trying to get rid f some of the wasters we have on daft contracts.

We won’t see any fees anywhere near the player value. IMO we should bite the bullet and get rid of them on the cheap if needs be.

I would sell Bruno if an offer came in so that we can finally move away from two in midfield.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 seconds ago
I think the new team behind the scenes have a massive task on their hands trying to get rid f some of the wasters we have on daft contracts.

We won’t see any fees anywhere near the player value. IMO we should bite the bullet and get rid of them on the cheap if needs be.

I would sell Bruno if an offer came in so that we can finally move away from two in midfield.
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Again, this is what we had to do, sometimes even continuing to pay wages for players. Sucks in the short term but sometimes its just gotta be done & new owners looking to draw a line under the old regime might be the right time.

posted on 29/4/24

T-BAD

Interesting point. While on that subject, what do you make of Havertz as a signing? I've seen intelligent observers draw fundamentally different conclusions. The case for seems to emphasise what he offers out of possession and his role as a flexible enabler of other players to do their thing. The case against tends to home in on the things he's not (not really a midfielder, not a volume goalscorer, etc.).

posted on 29/4/24

At last. Somebody prepared to finally flush the bog.

Lets see what laughable offers come out of this mother of a transfer list. Jim must be aware of this, so it seems that he is prepared to write some of the big hitters off.

posted on 29/4/24

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 16 seconds ago
T-Bag

It’s why I’d sell him this summer. I just don’t think he’s worth the hassle anymore. Would it surprise me if he has decent output next season if he stays? No it wouldn’t. Would it surprise me it he goes back to the sulking, lazy player that offers fack all the season after? Nope, we see it every other year.
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Yeah I think selling him seems like the best all round for everyone. I think you'd sell him, he'll have a couple of good seasons where people question whether or not you should have sold him (even though realistically he wouldn't have played that well if he stayed), then probably revert back to these sorts of performances again eventually. No shame in it really, motivation comes in different forms for different people, I just don't feel like staying is good for him.
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Yep agree with all that.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 29/4/24

I'm still not sure tbh, I actually really really like him and what he offers us but I still think that money could have been used better, so it's hard to say he's been a great signing.

I think in time we'll be able to say he was a good signing, but I don't think its worked out as expected. I think he was signed for his versatility, but he hasn't looked great in MF and we don't seem to play well when he plays with Jesus.

On the flip side, he's ousted Jesus from the side quite comfortably.

posted on 29/4/24

I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.

posted on 29/4/24

If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.
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Diafol, stop trying to make Antony at lb/lwb happen. It’s not going to happen.

posted on 29/4/24

I don't get how you're just going to magically shift these players. This news will hit the asking prices then they've got to accept the move and likely wage drop.. I can see a loan army in your future

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?
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according to the BBC Ten Hag is due to have substantive talks with new technical director Jason Wilcox about what he sees as the state of his squad and the problems he is facing. It sounding more and more like that United are preparing to keep Ten Hag on at the end of the season, so they would have to extend his contract if they do as it runs out in 2025.

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.
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Diafol, stop trying to make Antony at lb/lwb happen. It’s not going to happen.
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He's going to be the new Antonio Valencia...

posted on 29/4/24

comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?
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according to the BBC Ten Hag is due to have substantive talks with new technical director Jason Wilcox about what he sees as the state of his squad and the problems he is facing. It sounding more and more like that United are preparing to keep Ten Hag on at the end of the season, so they would have to extend his contract if they do as it runs out in 2025.
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No words just the pain of stumping up for two season tickets again next season to see us get peppered by relegation outfits at home.

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.
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Diafol, stop trying to make Antony at lb/lwb happen. It’s not going to happen.
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He's going to be the new Antonio Valencia...
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Premier league defenders will be doubling up their shin pads in anticipation.

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?
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according to the BBC Ten Hag is due to have substantive talks with new technical director Jason Wilcox about what he sees as the state of his squad and the problems he is facing. It sounding more and more like that United are preparing to keep Ten Hag on at the end of the season, so they would have to extend his contract if they do as it runs out in 2025.
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No words just the pain of stumping up for two season tickets again next season to see us get peppered by relegation outfits at home.
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You know you want to Franko. Its the pain and despair that keeps us going.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.
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Diafol, stop trying to make Antony at lb/lwb happen. It’s not going to happen.
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He's going to be the new Antonio Valencia...
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Tbf he's got similar scoring stats to Ben White so he might be on to something

posted on 29/4/24

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.
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Diafol, stop trying to make Antony at lb/lwb happen. It’s not going to happen.
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He's going to be the new Antonio Valencia...
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Tbf he's got similar scoring stats to Ben White so he might be on to something
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Tropic Thunder

posted on 29/4/24

Playing Antony at LB might well be the answer, although of course that depends very much on what the question is

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 38 minutes ago
If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?
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Luckily we don't have the most deluded manager in the world

posted on 29/4/24

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think whatever happens we need to bring players into the squad that are comfortable playing the way the preferred XI would play.

I also wouldn't massively be against three at the back if that gets as many of our better players for cohesion on the pitch at the same time. Dare I say it that I could see a situation where we have Martinez or Shaw at LCB with Antony as the LWB. Could easily be 442 or 433 then as well. What's most important is being able to keep the ball better and also not leave so many gaps in play.
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Diafol, stop trying to make Antony at lb/lwb happen. It’s not going to happen.
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He's going to be the new Antonio Valencia...
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Tbf he's got similar scoring stats to Ben White so he might be on to something
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It hurts because it's true

posted on 29/4/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 38 minutes ago
If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?
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Luckily we don't have the most deluded manager in the world
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Yeah, Brendan Rodgers is managing Celtic.

posted on 29/4/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 38 minutes ago
If we can get the players out who is going to want to come in to play for the most deluded manager in world football or are most assuming he will be gone ?
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Luckily we don't have the most deluded manager in the world
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Sorry 52 I forgot how Dynamic we are, my mistake and it’s the people paying him 9 million a year who are deluded not him that’s fair as well

posted on 29/4/24

comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 3 minutes ago
Playing Antony at LB might well be the answer, although of course that depends very much on what the question is
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If he does go back to Brazil and gets sent to prison for beating his Mrs but Ronaldinho and Robinho are in good form on the wings, where will Antony have to play?

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