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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Ffs
You've gotta be having us on now
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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What is it that I said that's so wrong?
You're obviously having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact this guy just ain't the one. I did that 4 months ago and nothing that has happened since has given me any doubts whatsoever. If anything my opinion has only gotten stronger.
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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What is it that I said that's so wrong?
You're obviously having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact this guy just ain't the one. I did that 4 months ago and nothing that has happened since has given me any doubts whatsoever. If anything my opinion has only gotten stronger.
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Are you drunk? Genuine question.
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
-----------
So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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What is it that I said that's so wrong?
You're obviously having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact this guy just ain't the one. I did that 4 months ago and nothing that has happened since has given me any doubts whatsoever. If anything my opinion has only gotten stronger.
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You’ve become a parody of yourself.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
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And fwiw, I think the bigger concern for Martinez is us hiring a manager who isn't comfortable with a 5ft9 centre back, which I think is quite possible.
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If that does happen he could be used at left back as well. I believe Arsenal wanted him for this reason. I wouldn’t be against this if we could get two cbs that can play regularly at the top level.
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Or CDM. I’d really like to see us go out and get two power-house CB’s with good fitness records, recovery pace and ball-playing ability to boost our athletic & technical prowess from the back (say Todibo & Branthewaite for example).
Given we can’t rectify every position in one summer window, some “solutions from within” would be nice to see. Martinez could definitely play that inside LB role as you mentioned, and could definitely sit in front of the back four with his tenacity, ability to handle the ball under pressure and his passing/vision. And of course he’d be in regular rotation at CB as well.
If we did view Martinez as an option in midfield, it would lessen the burden to go and get two or three new CM players over the next window or two. We definitely need two this summer with Amrabat, Eriksen & probably Casemiro out the door. That said, in a more compact system and with a proper preseason, it’s not inconceivable that Casemiro could regain his form and fitness and still have a big role to play. But equally his wages off the books might be important and at this point he’s still command a decent transfer fee where many of our other players will not, so there’s that to consider as well I suppose.
Midfield is a possibility as well. Depends on who the manager is as Ten Hag won’t play him there. There’s also a back three if someone like Tuchel or Potter come in, where he could play on the left side.
Hopefully we’ll be really looking at availability when it comes to our squad building. It’s been an issue that has caused us so many problems for years, LVG’s second season being the only that can rival this one, though. We’ve had about 20 different cb partnerships this season for crying out loud. We won’t be doing shiiiiit in this league until we can build a solid, consistent spine to the team. And when you look at what we have in the squad, even if available, there’s not many you’d really want to be building that spine around. Not if we want to be competitive any time soon anyway.
If you're selling Martinez questions have to be asked. I'm not sure if his injury record is unlucky or problematic, but putting that aside he can play multiple positions and he's actually not rubbish and has some character.
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posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
If you're selling Martinez questions have to be asked. I'm not sure if his injury record is unlucky or problematic, but putting that aside he can play multiple positions and he's actually not rubbish and has some character.
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This is true for both Shaw and Martinez, those two I'd definitely keep if Shaw wasn't so injury prone and Martinez does not follows Shaws path of being injured all the time.
Martinez I'd give him one more season, Shaw I'd be sad to see go but with his injuries probably for the best
Sell as many as we can, fast track reserves into the first team if needs be, at least they give a toss.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
Sell as many as we can, fast track reserves into the first team if needs be, at least they give a toss.
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I wouldn't be opposed to this, would be quite exciting to see actually
I'm going to footy manager this.
Rumoured investment 200m
Sell
Lindelof 10m
Wan Bissaka 20m
Casemiro 20m
Hannibal 10m
Sancho 30m
Pellistri 10m
Greenwood 20m
Varane - Free
Martial - Free
120m
Buy
Frimpong 35m
Todibo 35m
Branthwaite 50m
Joao Neves 80m
Olise 50m
Toney 50m
300m or thereabouts with actual fees.
Of course sell the likes of Antony, Maguire or Rashford if you get decent offers and replace them.
Big refresh, mainly young talents.
Could be a good ploy this to encourage the players to try and work harder to win the FA Cup final against the odds vs City. What better game is there to shop window themselves to potential buyers?
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm going to footy manager this.
Rumoured investment 200m
Sell
Lindelof 10m
Wan Bissaka 20m
Casemiro 20m
Hannibal 10m
Sancho 30m
Pellistri 10m
Greenwood 20m
Varane - Free
Martial - Free
120m
Buy
Frimpong 35m
Todibo 35m
Branthwaite 50m
Joao Neves 80m
Olise 50m
Toney 50m
300m or thereabouts with actual fees.
Of course sell the likes of Antony, Maguire or Rashford if you get decent offers and replace them.
Big refresh, mainly young talents.
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Some optimistic numbers there, I'd say
Possibly.
Frimpong has a buy out of 34m
The price for Todibo is touted as 35m
Olise supposedly has a buy out under 60m.
The other 3 are complete guesswork.
It's so frustrating about Martinez's injuries, as well as his ability on the pitch he just seems to have the right mentality that we're lacking so much in our squad and for that reason we have to at least give him a but more time to see if he can get up and running. Hopefully he can improve his fitness as he could be very versatile for us if any future manager prefers a bigger CB.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
It's so frustrating about Martinez's injuries, as well as his ability on the pitch he just seems to have the right mentality that we're lacking so much in our squad and for that reason we have to at least give him a but more time to see if he can get up and running. Hopefully he can improve his fitness as he could be very versatile for us if any future manager prefers a bigger CB.
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Agree, it is a bit too early to be writing him off as another Phil Jones like the OP has.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
It's so frustrating about Martinez's injuries, as well as his ability on the pitch he just seems to have the right mentality that we're lacking so much in our squad and for that reason we have to at least give him a but more time to see if he can get up and running. Hopefully he can improve his fitness as he could be very versatile for us if any future manager prefers a bigger CB.
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Agree, it is a bit too early to be writing him off as another Phil Jones like the OP has.
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Yeah, we'll find out in time whether there are recurring issues from the foot injury. My gut instinct is he's likely to be vulnerable to injuries due to his bravery and aggression rather than being made of papier maché and bolsa wood.
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 55 minutes ago
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
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Onana was good (in the CL as well as Dutch league and Serie A) for several seasons. Isn't it possible that his actual level is closer to the one he showed at Ajax and Inter than being defined by a handful of blunders playing behind at chaotic side that allows the number of chances per game you'd associate with a relegation side? (Indeed, stats suggest he has been above average in the PL in terms of expected goals conceded/saved.)
Onana does ok considering the barrage of goal attempts he has to deal with every game, no matter what level the oppo are. And that includes any combination of CBs. If the manager could fix the problems that we have with the empty midfield in front of them that causes these problems all the back 5 would loook a lot much better. And as of yesterday more valuable.
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posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 55 minutes ago
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
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Onana was good (in the CL as well as Dutch league and Serie A) for several seasons. Isn't it possible that his actual level is closer to the one he showed at Ajax and Inter than being defined by a handful of blunders playing behind at chaotic side that allows the number of chances per game you'd associate with a relegation side? (Indeed, stats suggest he has been above average in the PL in terms of expected goals conceded/saved.)
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Eth was good at Ajax too, and Antony, yet we all want Eth gone.
I believe before buying any players, a manager should come in first.
comment by Ali - (U1192)
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 55 minutes ago
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
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Onana was good (in the CL as well as Dutch league and Serie A) for several seasons. Isn't it possible that his actual level is closer to the one he showed at Ajax and Inter than being defined by a handful of blunders playing behind at chaotic side that allows the number of chances per game you'd associate with a relegation side? (Indeed, stats suggest he has been above average in the PL in terms of expected goals conceded/saved.)
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Eth was good at Ajax too, and Antony, yet we all want Eth gone.
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Yes ETH was good at Ajax and he was worked with players who fit his requirement. But hes at United now in the PL which is a different propositio with players who cant play the Ajax way. Which he isnt dealing very well. Even the players like Anthony that he brought in cant do it for him.
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Ffs
You've gotta be having us on now
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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What is it that I said that's so wrong?
You're obviously having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact this guy just ain't the one. I did that 4 months ago and nothing that has happened since has given me any doubts whatsoever. If anything my opinion has only gotten stronger.
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However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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What is it that I said that's so wrong?
You're obviously having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact this guy just ain't the one. I did that 4 months ago and nothing that has happened since has given me any doubts whatsoever. If anything my opinion has only gotten stronger.
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Are you drunk? Genuine question.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 5 minutes ago
However I have begun to realise that it's probably quite likely that football had very little to do with him
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So the football Ajax played had very little to do with him, but the football we play has everything to do with him?
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And to add to my response above on this point.....whilst I don't put all the blame on ETH for the way we play.....he does have to take some of the blame surely? He's spent £400m not 40p. Even his own signings don't do the basics that well so that's where the excuses for him get tiresome.
We need a new manager. That's been clear for a while.
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That's fine. I'm not arguing that ETH deserves to keep his job. But if you can't see the glaring inconsistency in your arguments when you attempt to remove any of the credit for ETH's work at Ajax, whilst simultaneously blaming him for the state of this United team, I really dont know what else to say. (And please don't say you don't blame him - we all read your comments on here day in day out).
Just a weird and unnecessary point to make tbh.
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Well we haven't played any good football. Even last season we weren't good on the eye. We just defended better and had Rashford on fire for 5 months.
There's teams in the PL in the bottom half of the table who knock the ball around better than we do. Burnley did at the week.
I don't blame it all on ETH but he definitely has to take a good chunk of it.
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Do you ever actually read the posts you respond to?
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Of course I do.
I have said I want a new manager. I have also said I don't blame everything on ETH and I honestly don't. I can't be fairer than that.
After 2 seasons did you think we'd be playing better football than we are now? Be honest.
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Long winded way of saying no.
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What is it that I said that's so wrong?
You're obviously having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact this guy just ain't the one. I did that 4 months ago and nothing that has happened since has given me any doubts whatsoever. If anything my opinion has only gotten stronger.
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You’ve become a parody of yourself.
posted on 29/4/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 45 minutes ago
And fwiw, I think the bigger concern for Martinez is us hiring a manager who isn't comfortable with a 5ft9 centre back, which I think is quite possible.
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If that does happen he could be used at left back as well. I believe Arsenal wanted him for this reason. I wouldn’t be against this if we could get two cbs that can play regularly at the top level.
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Or CDM. I’d really like to see us go out and get two power-house CB’s with good fitness records, recovery pace and ball-playing ability to boost our athletic & technical prowess from the back (say Todibo & Branthewaite for example).
Given we can’t rectify every position in one summer window, some “solutions from within” would be nice to see. Martinez could definitely play that inside LB role as you mentioned, and could definitely sit in front of the back four with his tenacity, ability to handle the ball under pressure and his passing/vision. And of course he’d be in regular rotation at CB as well.
If we did view Martinez as an option in midfield, it would lessen the burden to go and get two or three new CM players over the next window or two. We definitely need two this summer with Amrabat, Eriksen & probably Casemiro out the door. That said, in a more compact system and with a proper preseason, it’s not inconceivable that Casemiro could regain his form and fitness and still have a big role to play. But equally his wages off the books might be important and at this point he’s still command a decent transfer fee where many of our other players will not, so there’s that to consider as well I suppose.
posted on 29/4/24
Midfield is a possibility as well. Depends on who the manager is as Ten Hag won’t play him there. There’s also a back three if someone like Tuchel or Potter come in, where he could play on the left side.
Hopefully we’ll be really looking at availability when it comes to our squad building. It’s been an issue that has caused us so many problems for years, LVG’s second season being the only that can rival this one, though. We’ve had about 20 different cb partnerships this season for crying out loud. We won’t be doing shiiiiit in this league until we can build a solid, consistent spine to the team. And when you look at what we have in the squad, even if available, there’s not many you’d really want to be building that spine around. Not if we want to be competitive any time soon anyway.
posted on 29/4/24
If you're selling Martinez questions have to be asked. I'm not sure if his injury record is unlucky or problematic, but putting that aside he can play multiple positions and he's actually not rubbish and has some character.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
If you're selling Martinez questions have to be asked. I'm not sure if his injury record is unlucky or problematic, but putting that aside he can play multiple positions and he's actually not rubbish and has some character.
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This is true for both Shaw and Martinez, those two I'd definitely keep if Shaw wasn't so injury prone and Martinez does not follows Shaws path of being injured all the time.
Martinez I'd give him one more season, Shaw I'd be sad to see go but with his injuries probably for the best
posted on 30/4/24
Sell as many as we can, fast track reserves into the first team if needs be, at least they give a toss.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 41 minutes ago
Sell as many as we can, fast track reserves into the first team if needs be, at least they give a toss.
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I wouldn't be opposed to this, would be quite exciting to see actually
posted on 30/4/24
I'm going to footy manager this.
Rumoured investment 200m
Sell
Lindelof 10m
Wan Bissaka 20m
Casemiro 20m
Hannibal 10m
Sancho 30m
Pellistri 10m
Greenwood 20m
Varane - Free
Martial - Free
120m
Buy
Frimpong 35m
Todibo 35m
Branthwaite 50m
Joao Neves 80m
Olise 50m
Toney 50m
300m or thereabouts with actual fees.
Of course sell the likes of Antony, Maguire or Rashford if you get decent offers and replace them.
Big refresh, mainly young talents.
posted on 30/4/24
Could be a good ploy this to encourage the players to try and work harder to win the FA Cup final against the odds vs City. What better game is there to shop window themselves to potential buyers?
posted on 30/4/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm going to footy manager this.
Rumoured investment 200m
Sell
Lindelof 10m
Wan Bissaka 20m
Casemiro 20m
Hannibal 10m
Sancho 30m
Pellistri 10m
Greenwood 20m
Varane - Free
Martial - Free
120m
Buy
Frimpong 35m
Todibo 35m
Branthwaite 50m
Joao Neves 80m
Olise 50m
Toney 50m
300m or thereabouts with actual fees.
Of course sell the likes of Antony, Maguire or Rashford if you get decent offers and replace them.
Big refresh, mainly young talents.
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Some optimistic numbers there, I'd say
posted on 30/4/24
Possibly.
Frimpong has a buy out of 34m
The price for Todibo is touted as 35m
Olise supposedly has a buy out under 60m.
The other 3 are complete guesswork.
posted on 30/4/24
It's so frustrating about Martinez's injuries, as well as his ability on the pitch he just seems to have the right mentality that we're lacking so much in our squad and for that reason we have to at least give him a but more time to see if he can get up and running. Hopefully he can improve his fitness as he could be very versatile for us if any future manager prefers a bigger CB.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
It's so frustrating about Martinez's injuries, as well as his ability on the pitch he just seems to have the right mentality that we're lacking so much in our squad and for that reason we have to at least give him a but more time to see if he can get up and running. Hopefully he can improve his fitness as he could be very versatile for us if any future manager prefers a bigger CB.
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Agree, it is a bit too early to be writing him off as another Phil Jones like the OP has.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
It's so frustrating about Martinez's injuries, as well as his ability on the pitch he just seems to have the right mentality that we're lacking so much in our squad and for that reason we have to at least give him a but more time to see if he can get up and running. Hopefully he can improve his fitness as he could be very versatile for us if any future manager prefers a bigger CB.
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Agree, it is a bit too early to be writing him off as another Phil Jones like the OP has.
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Yeah, we'll find out in time whether there are recurring issues from the foot injury. My gut instinct is he's likely to be vulnerable to injuries due to his bravery and aggression rather than being made of papier maché and bolsa wood.
posted on 30/4/24
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 55 minutes ago
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
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Onana was good (in the CL as well as Dutch league and Serie A) for several seasons. Isn't it possible that his actual level is closer to the one he showed at Ajax and Inter than being defined by a handful of blunders playing behind at chaotic side that allows the number of chances per game you'd associate with a relegation side? (Indeed, stats suggest he has been above average in the PL in terms of expected goals conceded/saved.)
posted on 30/4/24
Onana does ok considering the barrage of goal attempts he has to deal with every game, no matter what level the oppo are. And that includes any combination of CBs. If the manager could fix the problems that we have with the empty midfield in front of them that causes these problems all the back 5 would loook a lot much better. And as of yesterday more valuable.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 55 minutes ago
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
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Onana was good (in the CL as well as Dutch league and Serie A) for several seasons. Isn't it possible that his actual level is closer to the one he showed at Ajax and Inter than being defined by a handful of blunders playing behind at chaotic side that allows the number of chances per game you'd associate with a relegation side? (Indeed, stats suggest he has been above average in the PL in terms of expected goals conceded/saved.)
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Eth was good at Ajax too, and Antony, yet we all want Eth gone.
posted on 30/4/24
I believe before buying any players, a manager should come in first.
posted on 30/4/24
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 55 minutes ago
Add onana to the list of players that need to go.
Him being a nice fella with a good attitude isnt a prereq for being a united player. You actually need to be good, probably one of the main prereqs.
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Onana was good (in the CL as well as Dutch league and Serie A) for several seasons. Isn't it possible that his actual level is closer to the one he showed at Ajax and Inter than being defined by a handful of blunders playing behind at chaotic side that allows the number of chances per game you'd associate with a relegation side? (Indeed, stats suggest he has been above average in the PL in terms of expected goals conceded/saved.)
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Eth was good at Ajax too, and Antony, yet we all want Eth gone.
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Yes ETH was good at Ajax and he was worked with players who fit his requirement. But hes at United now in the PL which is a different propositio with players who cant play the Ajax way. Which he isnt dealing very well. Even the players like Anthony that he brought in cant do it for him.
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