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posted on 7/5/24

comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 13 minutes ago
The formation we play has little bearing on whether we're able to control games when the spacing between players and lines is as large as it is. That is one of the biggest issues.

4-2-3-1 is fine if we were actually compact when defending and when pressing but we're the complete opposite.

Having an extra midfielder isn't going to improve things in this respect.
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Could it be the players are too ill disciplined to play in a highly structured way, to press in numbers, to press with intensity?

The gaps should be plugged in training drills, etc. I feel the plan is often abandoned as soon as a goal is conceded.

Too many play for themselves than for each other or the team.

posted on 7/5/24

A report from Globo Sport (via Brasil Football on Twitter) claims Antony is ‘at risk of being suspended’ by Man Utd ‘for the rest of the season’.
This news emerged ahead of kick-off at Selhurst Park, with Antony accused of ‘calling Ten Hag a “bald egg head” in the team’s group chat’.
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Please be true

posted on 7/5/24

That could be a factor to some extent but it's not the main reason why our pressing system is as poor as it is. It's how the players are being instructed to press, that's the biggest issue. It's coaching intent. The players behind the first line aren't being asked to back it up. The defence and defensive midfielder are actually retreating when the initial press is beaten and that's causing us so many issues and it just makes it really easy for teams to bypass our press with simple passes through the middle or out wide.

posted on 7/5/24

comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 29 minutes ago
That could be a factor to some extent but it's not the main reason why our pressing system is as poor as it is. It's how the players are being instructed to press, that's the biggest issue. It's coaching intent. The players behind the first line aren't being asked to back it up. The defence and defensive midfielder are actually retreating when the initial press is beaten and that's causing us so many issues and it just makes it really easy for teams to bypass our press with simple passes through the middle or out wide.
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Yeah, it is really strange. Why would he do something against his coaching instinct, something he's known to have done at Ajax, for example? Only ETH and his coaches know for sure. We all know the players are highly limited, work shy and don't operate as a team but the Head Coach and his staff are definitely part of the reason why the system is not functioning the way it should.

posted on 7/5/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 29 minutes ago
That could be a factor to some extent but it's not the main reason why our pressing system is as poor as it is. It's how the players are being instructed to press, that's the biggest issue. It's coaching intent. The players behind the first line aren't being asked to back it up. The defence and defensive midfielder are actually retreating when the initial press is beaten and that's causing us so many issues and it just makes it really easy for teams to bypass our press with simple passes through the middle or out wide.
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Yeah, it is really strange. Why would he do something against his coaching instinct, something he's known to have done at Ajax, for example? Only ETH and his coaches know for sure. We all know the players are highly limited, work shy and don't operate as a team but the Head Coach and his staff are definitely part of the reason why the system is not functioning the way it should.
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Scholes and Owen made some interesting observations after the Palacd game regarding Steve McClaren, you should check it out

posted on 7/5/24

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 29 minutes ago
That could be a factor to some extent but it's not the main reason why our pressing system is as poor as it is. It's how the players are being instructed to press, that's the biggest issue. It's coaching intent. The players behind the first line aren't being asked to back it up. The defence and defensive midfielder are actually retreating when the initial press is beaten and that's causing us so many issues and it just makes it really easy for teams to bypass our press with simple passes through the middle or out wide.
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Yeah, it is really strange. Why would he do something against his coaching instinct, something he's known to have done at Ajax, for example? Only ETH and his coaches know for sure. We all know the players are highly limited, work shy and don't operate as a team but the Head Coach and his staff are definitely part of the reason why the system is not functioning the way it should.
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Scholes and Owen made some interesting observations after the Palacd game regarding Steve McClaren, you should check it out
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posted on 7/5/24

As VC (I think) said earlier. If he goes before EOS then McClaren should be interim

posted on 7/5/24

It is no exaggeration to say teams have been able to stroll through our midfield for years.
I have no shame in saying I don't know why. I'm an elderly man living in France, and watching half our games at best.
I do expect our manager to know and have a plan how to stop it.
Also some posters on here will know, without just saying sack the manager.
Rather these players, in these positions, with these instructions would educate the likes of me.
My feeling is better players would cure it, I've Keane or Robbo for example. But I accept I'm probably wrong.

posted on 7/5/24

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 59 minutes ago
It is no exaggeration to say teams have been able to stroll through our midfield for years.
I have no shame in saying I don't know why. I'm an elderly man living in France, and watching half our games at best.
I do expect our manager to know and have a plan how to stop it.
Also some posters on here will know, without just saying sack the manager.
Rather these players, in these positions, with these instructions would educate the likes of me.
My feeling is better players would cure it, I've Keane or Robbo for example. But I accept I'm probably wrong.
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So you create an article calling for ETH to go and knowingly that it will also divide the Utd board, then say you only watch half the games at best but feel the need that ETH should go, but then you say “better players would cure it”!!

What is it the manager or players?

posted on 7/5/24

comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 59 minutes ago
It is no exaggeration to say teams have been able to stroll through our midfield for years.
I have no shame in saying I don't know why. I'm an elderly man living in France, and watching half our games at best.
I do expect our manager to know and have a plan how to stop it.
Also some posters on here will know, without just saying sack the manager.
Rather these players, in these positions, with these instructions would educate the likes of me.
My feeling is better players would cure it, I've Keane or Robbo for example. But I accept I'm probably wrong.
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So you create an article calling for ETH to go and knowingly that it will also divide the Utd board, then say you only watch half the games at best but feel the need that ETH should go, but then you say “better players would cure it”!!

What is it the manager or players?
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Nothing for you to worry your silly little head about.
And you will be deleted from now on.

posted on 7/5/24

comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 59 minutes ago
It is no exaggeration to say teams have been able to stroll through our midfield for years.
I have no shame in saying I don't know why. I'm an elderly man living in France, and watching half our games at best.
I do expect our manager to know and have a plan how to stop it.
Also some posters on here will know, without just saying sack the manager.
Rather these players, in these positions, with these instructions would educate the likes of me.
My feeling is better players would cure it, I've Keane or Robbo for example. But I accept I'm probably wrong.
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So you create an article calling for ETH to go and knowingly that it will also divide the Utd board, then say you only watch half the games at best but feel the need that ETH should go, but then you say “better players would cure it”!!

What is it the manager or players?
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A little bit of everything in the pot:

Bloated squad, lazy players with inadequate attributes, poor strategy, lack of structure!

The issues are multifaceted.

posted on 7/5/24

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posted on 7/5/24

Red666, you always seem to be off with 52. What's your beef?!

posted on 7/5/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 59 minutes ago
It is no exaggeration to say teams have been able to stroll through our midfield for years.
I have no shame in saying I don't know why. I'm an elderly man living in France, and watching half our games at best.
I do expect our manager to know and have a plan how to stop it.
Also some posters on here will know, without just saying sack the manager.
Rather these players, in these positions, with these instructions would educate the likes of me.
My feeling is better players would cure it, I've Keane or Robbo for example. But I accept I'm probably wrong.
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So you create an article calling for ETH to go and knowingly that it will also divide the Utd board, then say you only watch half the games at best but feel the need that ETH should go, but then you say “better players would cure it”!!

What is it the manager or players?
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A little bit of everything in the pot:

Bloated squad, lazy players with inadequate attributes, poor strategy, lack of structure!

The issues are multifaceted.
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Agree with your points, but do you think ETH could take us forward now we’re getting some sort of structure above him sorted or do we need a fresh start?

Obviously the right players need bringing in!
But the OP seems to think ETH is the right way to start the ball rolling!

posted on 7/5/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
Red666, you always seem to be off with 52. What's your beef?!
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No beef, I don’t have an issue with him, just some of his posts!

posted on 7/5/24

comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
Red666, you always seem to be off with 52. What's your beef?!
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No beef, I don’t have an issue with him, just some of his posts!
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Ok, cool

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posted on 7/5/24

@ Vengeance

Your thoughts on ETH going this summer or let him crack on with the new structure?

posted on 7/5/24

comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
@ Vengeance

Your thoughts on ETH going this summer or let him crack on with the new structure?
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I want to see the new structure in place first then see whether ETH features in their plans.

ETH has a lot on his plate, one being negative fan sentiment which could boil over at anyone moment. Really good response from the away fans at the Palace but how long will that last. I think most are aware ETH has been dealt a difficult task, he's come into a club with a bloated squad, no DoF, given more freedom on transfers than is afforded to Klopp or Pep, for example. But I also understand the anger from fans who are screaming out for something different strategy wise, team selection and formation wise.

For me he needs to be appraised under the impending structure, backed by players who can fulfil a playing style chosen by the new structure. It's not clear cut for me. Wilcox is reviewing everything at the moment, including ETH and he has a big call as to whether they start afresh with someone new but who? Or stick with ETH. The options for a replacement at this stage of the regime's progress is very limited.

We must also operate with cautionary optimism. Yes, the change of structure is what is needed but we just don't know how Jim and co will deal at a big club, they've hardly set the world alight in the French league so it is another unknown to deal with. The change is better than nothing and will no doubt do better than the Glazers or any of the idiots they hired to manage transfers. Another unknown is how the minority stake will operate given Glazers will still sign things off.

We'll just wait and see. I said on this thread I'd like to see ETH continue under the new structure but would also understand if he was released. As you can see it's a massive undertaking and I do not envy Wilcox one bit!

posted on 7/5/24

Another factor that will be on the fore front of Sir Jim's thinking, do they start a new structure by sacking someone before they've started, so to speak? ideally they wanted ETH's fate sealed by the previous regime. It sends out the wrong message at this early stage of their reign.

I think keeping hold of him, providing him everything to turn things around would send a different message to the one we've seen for the last 10 years - one of constant change, constantly being in transition to one of hope and redemption.

posted on 8/5/24

Totally agree with you, ETH should be given the chance under the new structure, hopefully we can bring in right players that can not only play type of football we need them to play, but also be able to put up with rigours and demands of playing in the Premier League.

posted on 8/5/24

comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 4 hours, 22 minutes ago
Totally agree with you, ETH should be given the chance under the new structure, hopefully we can bring in right players that can not only play type of football we need them to play, but also be able to put up with rigours and demands of playing in the Premier League.
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Delulu

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