comment by mancWoohoo : -3GD 🤣 (U10676)
posted 9 minutes ago
I fear for SE85's mental health. He's been unhinged for quite some time now. Leave him alone.
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comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy
posted 22 seconds ago
I'm really surprised there are any ETH supporters left amongst the fan base. Even if you were to accept that problems at board level/recruitment are large, who has really improved under his watch? Even players that played under him before have been dreadful. He discarded De Gea and replaced him with Onana for big money, a ball playing goalkeeper who now has been told to go long like an old fashioned keeper. There's such muddled thinking from top to bottom. Buying a keeper to play out from the back only to tell him to go long is not the fault of the owners. To shield ETH from the current problems is absolutely bonkers as far as I'm concerned, and I'm an impartial observer.
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Who is he to play short to? Defenders? What defenders and midfielders? What midfielders?
We are long way off from being considered a possession based team, moreso than ETH most probably anticipated so has abandoned, not completely, but mostly to play out short from the back.
Saying all this, Onana's range of passing is very good especially when going long.
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So given he's been at the club for 2 years and 4 windows, where are the players in his image? If playing out from the back is so key, why hasn't that area of the pitch been a point of focus for recruitment? Why sign off on Antony for a bloody fortune, Sancho for a left sided forward when it was perfectly clear that was Rashford's preferred position if the defence and midfield were so neglected. Did he have a say? He must have done because otherwise Antony would never have signed. If anything he's had too much autonomy. I know you've had your injuries but signing the likes of Varane and Casemiro in the full knowledge you want to eventually control games playing a high line is feckin crazy. He would absolutely have had a say in who comes in or out and he signed off on players coming in who represent the absolute antithesis of how he supposedly wants to play. Even if you assume these weren't his players, he clearly lacks the character and authority needed to put a foot down and say no.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy
posted 22 seconds ago
I'm really surprised there are any ETH supporters left amongst the fan base. Even if you were to accept that problems at board level/recruitment are large, who has really improved under his watch? Even players that played under him before have been dreadful. He discarded De Gea and replaced him with Onana for big money, a ball playing goalkeeper who now has been told to go long like an old fashioned keeper. There's such muddled thinking from top to bottom. Buying a keeper to play out from the back only to tell him to go long is not the fault of the owners. To shield ETH from the current problems is absolutely bonkers as far as I'm concerned, and I'm an impartial observer.
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Who is he to play short to? Defenders? What defenders and midfielders? What midfielders?
We are long way off from being considered a possession based team, moreso than ETH most probably anticipated so has abandoned, not completely, but mostly to play out short from the back.
Saying all this, Onana's range of passing is very good especially when going long.
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So given he's been at the club for 2 years and 4 windows, where are the players in his image? If playing out from the back is so key, why hasn't that area of the pitch been a point of focus for recruitment? Why sign off on Antony for a bloody fortune, Sancho for a left sided forward when it was perfectly clear that was Rashford's preferred position if the defence and midfield were so neglected. Did he have a say? He must have done because otherwise Antony would never have signed. If anything he's had too much autonomy. I know you've had your injuries but signing the likes of Varane and Casemiro in the full knowledge you want to eventually control games playing a high line is feckin crazy. He would absolutely have had a say in who comes in or out and he signed off on players coming in who represent the absolute antithesis of how he supposedly wants to play. Even if you assume these weren't his players, he clearly lacks the character and authority needed to put a foot down and say no.
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Covered all this in detail in a separate thread so won't go over it again
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Fridgeboy
Knock yourself out here: https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/461970
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 19 seconds ago
He should have been sacked when he brought in weghorst
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I think weghorst is the worst striker we've had in the PL era.
To me, it told me that Eth hugely underestimated the Pl, thinking he could bring weghorst into the team to actually help us, or whatever his aim was.
Eth hasn't learnt a single thing since last season, and for that he has to go.
Fail once, fine, fail twice doing the same thing, hmmm, maybe fine, fail over and over and over doing the same thing, get rid.
comment by Ali -
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 19 seconds ago
He should have been sacked when he brought in weghorst
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I think weghorst is the worst striker we've had in the PL era.
To me, it told me that Eth hugely underestimated the Pl, thinking he could bring weghorst into the team to actually help us, or whatever his aim was.
Eth hasn't learnt a single thing since last season, and for that he has to go.
Fail once, fine, fail twice doing the same thing, hmmm, maybe fine, fail over and over and over doing the same thing, get rid.
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Held up the ball better than Hojlund though, did nothing else.
I just want to see what the new structure looks like, see how ETH does, if given the chance, under a DoF, Technical Director, new template, overhauled squad. Wilcox is currently undertaking a "comprehensive" review of everything, including ETH, we have to wait to see if the Dutchman features heavily in future plans or if at all.
Under the current "structure" or lack of it no one would succeed, not even the the great coaches, well they would avoid us anyway!
Let's get our house in order before lynching managers. We've done the hiring and firing since SAF and where exactly has it got us?! Nowhere!
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 52 minutes ago
52,
Would you like to do some house keeping and remove the serious allegations RB&W posted or would you like me to alert Admin?
This poster has made it his life's ambition to follow me around and post the same allegations in all, if not most of his posts.
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Just apologise stop been a diqhead and filtering people and get on with the conversations
The fact that he doesn't understand how predictable we are bothers me. Just on corner kicks alone - I reckon other teams are licking their chops when we have a corner - they know how we over-commit and leave ourselves wide open for a counter. I'd bet our stats show just how many scoring opps we've given on our corners and I know we've given up a few goals as well. It's only one of many details he's missed, but he hasn't learned from mistakes.
I'm certain other posters could add similar faults in our play that keep aiding our opposition week in and week out. I wish him luck back at Ajax next season - he's got no right to be here.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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Nothing to apologise for.
Seriously, you are doing my head in. Move on, grow a pair! Filter me if it bothers you that much. You add nothing to my experience here, absolutely nothing. Disappointed because when you are not being a caaant I actually like what you post.
comment by Fred's Shooting Coach (U18999)
posted 2 minutes ago
The fact that he doesn't understand how predictable we are bothers me. Just on corner kicks alone - I reckon other teams are licking their chops when we have a corner - they know how we over-commit and leave ourselves wide open for a counter. I'd bet our stats show just how many scoring opps we've given on our corners and I know we've given up a few goals as well. It's only one of many details he's missed, but he hasn't learned from mistakes.
I'm certain other posters could add similar faults in our play that keep aiding our opposition week in and week out. I wish him luck back at Ajax next season - he's got no right to be here.
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It's a very high risk, almost suicidal strategy but could he be doing this deliberately to hammer home how sheite we are? Devil's advocate, nothing else.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
Fridgeboy
Knock yourself out here: https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/461970
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I've read through most of it. I take your point that if you were looking for a manager capable of working within a templated system it would likely be a project man like ETH but my feeling is that whilst that might be the case in a few years, once you've got your cogs in the right place, right now he lack the kind of personality needed to lead a group through choppy waters. A guy like ETH needs smooth sailing in order to operate and I can't see the choppiness changing any time soon.
Now I know I'm gonna get absolute pelters for this but given the current circumstances, I can see why Southgate is being touted as an attractive proposition. He might not have the tactical depth of some of the more premium coaches but what he does have is the kind of calm, approachable character that can help unify a group. Just look what he managed to do with an England squad that hadn't seen unification for decades really. Sure, he might not be the long term answer but the biggest problem at United over the last few years is that you've looked for the quick fix, the guy that's going to sort it all out straight away. You've never built in stages. Even someone like Eddie Howe would be a good shout and you're United. You COULD get him if you wanted to. You're not as good as Newcastle now but let's be honest, they have an FFP ceiling. He'd be crazy to turn that down.
ETH is good manager but he doesn't solve the problems you currently have. Right man, wrong time.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 39 minutes ago
So he IS backtracking right now. If it actually matters.
...............
Surely that was the purpose. To get him to backtrack. No one should have an issue with anyone who genuinely backtracks on a former opinion.
It is far more preferable to someone who keeps doubling down on stupidity.
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yes I get that, but hes not going to admit hes backtracking. Not to SE85 anyway. He thinks that by wahhing on about how hes 'explained it in great detail why ETH shouldnt be sacked', time and time again, (and boy, has he) and he STILL doesnt get it, and by that he means agree with him. And if you dont agree with him you are either thick or mentally challenged it seems.
ETH is good manager but he doesn't solve the problems you currently have. Right man, wrong time.
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That is why I want to wait and see if he features in our DoF and Technical Director's plans.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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Nothing to apologise for.
Seriously, you are doing my head in. Move on, grow a pair! Filter me if it bothers you that much. You add nothing to my experience here, absolutely nothing. Disappointed because when you are not being a caaant I actually like what you post.
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I dont want to filter you. ...
Ok..... I will try and play nicely
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comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
Glad you two have found a little respect for each other, I didn't want to get involved as I have no problem with either of you.
comment by manusin
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
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Very much this
Our predicament is very unique, it's the epitome of chaos and dysfunctional. If we could go back in time we c 0,CK block Malcolm Glazer from ever being conceived! Maybe too far, maybe do whatever we could to turn Utd into a fan owed enterprise and delist from the LSE. The takeover by the Glazers was the worst that could ever happen to us because they have mismanaged us, post SAF, to something unrecognisable.
People cite the funds made available to successive managers, but it's the scatter gun nature of transfers that's failed every manager, even ETH.
I also feel sorry for ETH, he's come into a club rich in resources but poor in everything else, especially structure that a "coach" needs.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Glad you two have found a little respect for each other, I didn't want to get involved as I have no problem with either of you.
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Thanks, 52.
please can you delete that post? Thank you.
Persisting with a deeply flawed strategy and not doing a single thing over the course of an entire season to remedy issues which have been clearly visible even as far back as August tends to have its consequences.
He's fortunate to have lasted this long.
I can only have so much sympathy with him in regard to injury for the simple fact that even when we haven't had a high number of absences, we've still played the same way and been just as bad.
Getting players back from injury and having a better sporting structure in place won't magically fix our problems when the tactical setup is this poor. It's been that bad that in certain metrics we are bordering on relegation level.
I don't think his stubbornness warrants him being able to manage another game. Any sort of change in approach would be welcome at this stage.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 14 minutes ago
Persisting with a deeply flawed strategy and not doing a single thing over the course of an entire season to remedy issues which have been clearly visible even as far back as August tends to have its consequences.
He's fortunate to have lasted this long.
I can only have so much sympathy with him in regard to injury for the simple fact that even when we haven't had a high number of absences, we've still played the same way and been just as bad.
Getting players back from injury and having a better sporting structure in place won't magically fix our problems when the tactical setup is this poor. It's been that bad that in certain metrics we are bordering on relegation level.
I don't think his stubbornness warrants him being able to manage another game. Any sort of change in approach would be welcome at this stage.
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One aspect of his stubbornness is why is favours the formation he uses over 4-3-3, for example. Possession and control is what he is looking for, it is what we lack in most games by getting overrun.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 14 minutes ago
Persisting with a deeply flawed strategy and not doing a single thing over the course of an entire season to remedy issues which have been clearly visible even as far back as August tends to have its consequences.
He's fortunate to have lasted this long.
I can only have so much sympathy with him in regard to injury for the simple fact that even when we haven't had a high number of absences, we've still played the same way and been just as bad.
Getting players back from injury and having a better sporting structure in place won't magically fix our problems when the tactical setup is this poor. It's been that bad that in certain metrics we are bordering on relegation level.
I don't think his stubbornness warrants him being able to manage another game. Any sort of change in approach would be welcome at this stage.
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One aspect of his stubbornness is why is favours the formation he uses over 4-3-3, for example. Possession and control is what he is looking for, it is what we lack in most games by getting overrun.
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He has 4 games, only 1 counts for me (cup final), he wins that then it's a redemption of sorts, it may reverse fan sentiment.
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by manusin
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
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Very much this
Our predicament is very unique, it's the epitome of chaos and dysfunctional. If we could go back in time we c 0,CK block Malcolm Glazer from ever being conceived! Maybe too far, maybe do whatever we could to turn Utd into a fan owed enterprise and delist from the LSE. The takeover by the Glazers was the worst that could ever happen to us because they have mismanaged us, post SAF, to something unrecognisable.
People cite the funds made available to successive managers, but it's the scatter gun nature of transfers that's failed every manager, even ETH.
I also feel sorry for ETH, he's come into a club rich in resources but poor in everything else, especially structure that a "coach" needs.
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Why on earth would you give a failing manager until Christmas? He'd be eating into your summer budget so you'll be bringing players in for a manager that frankly looks like he's facing the bullet. That makes it 10 times harder for anyone else coming in. They'll have no preseason to get their ideas across, their budget will be cut based on ETH's spending. It's crazy financially to do that. If there's any doubt, he should be cut at the end of this season so you can start with a completely clean slate.
The formation we play has little bearing on whether we're able to control games when the spacing between players and lines is as large as it is. That is one of the biggest issues.
4-2-3-1 is fine if we were actually compact when defending and when pressing but we're the complete opposite.
Having an extra midfielder isn't going to improve things in this respect.
comment by fridgeboy
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by manusin
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
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Very much this
Our predicament is very unique, it's the epitome of chaos and dysfunctional. If we could go back in time we c 0,CK block Malcolm Glazer from ever being conceived! Maybe too far, maybe do whatever we could to turn Utd into a fan owed enterprise and delist from the LSE. The takeover by the Glazers was the worst that could ever happen to us because they have mismanaged us, post SAF, to something unrecognisable.
People cite the funds made available to successive managers, but it's the scatter gun nature of transfers that's failed every manager, even ETH.
I also feel sorry for ETH, he's come into a club rich in resources but poor in everything else, especially structure that a "coach" needs.
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Why on earth would you give a failing manager until Christmas? He'd be eating into your summer budget so you'll be bringing players in for a manager that frankly looks like he's facing the bullet. That makes it 10 times harder for anyone else coming in. They'll have no preseason to get their ideas across, their budget will be cut based on ETH's spending. It's crazy financially to do that. If there's any doubt, he should be cut at the end of this season so you can start with a completely clean slate.
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That's where you are wrong, Fridgeboy. The Technical Director will be tasked with rebuilding the squad, not the coach. It simply should not matter who the coach is from the moment the new structure starts.
Why? The DoF and TD will create the template playing style, build up a squad then the coach effectively hired to manage the squad. If the coach fails to meet certain milestones he's replaced with another. This approach makes the squad cost effective and sustainable over the long term irrespective of the coach.
If the formula for success is struck by design or chance and it happens to be with ETH then great. But the coach will not be dictating how the squad is shaped.
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posted on 7/5/24
comment by mancWoohoo : -3GD 🤣 (U10676)
posted 9 minutes ago
I fear for SE85's mental health. He's been unhinged for quite some time now. Leave him alone.
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posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy
posted 22 seconds ago
I'm really surprised there are any ETH supporters left amongst the fan base. Even if you were to accept that problems at board level/recruitment are large, who has really improved under his watch? Even players that played under him before have been dreadful. He discarded De Gea and replaced him with Onana for big money, a ball playing goalkeeper who now has been told to go long like an old fashioned keeper. There's such muddled thinking from top to bottom. Buying a keeper to play out from the back only to tell him to go long is not the fault of the owners. To shield ETH from the current problems is absolutely bonkers as far as I'm concerned, and I'm an impartial observer.
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Who is he to play short to? Defenders? What defenders and midfielders? What midfielders?
We are long way off from being considered a possession based team, moreso than ETH most probably anticipated so has abandoned, not completely, but mostly to play out short from the back.
Saying all this, Onana's range of passing is very good especially when going long.
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So given he's been at the club for 2 years and 4 windows, where are the players in his image? If playing out from the back is so key, why hasn't that area of the pitch been a point of focus for recruitment? Why sign off on Antony for a bloody fortune, Sancho for a left sided forward when it was perfectly clear that was Rashford's preferred position if the defence and midfield were so neglected. Did he have a say? He must have done because otherwise Antony would never have signed. If anything he's had too much autonomy. I know you've had your injuries but signing the likes of Varane and Casemiro in the full knowledge you want to eventually control games playing a high line is feckin crazy. He would absolutely have had a say in who comes in or out and he signed off on players coming in who represent the absolute antithesis of how he supposedly wants to play. Even if you assume these weren't his players, he clearly lacks the character and authority needed to put a foot down and say no.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy
posted 22 seconds ago
I'm really surprised there are any ETH supporters left amongst the fan base. Even if you were to accept that problems at board level/recruitment are large, who has really improved under his watch? Even players that played under him before have been dreadful. He discarded De Gea and replaced him with Onana for big money, a ball playing goalkeeper who now has been told to go long like an old fashioned keeper. There's such muddled thinking from top to bottom. Buying a keeper to play out from the back only to tell him to go long is not the fault of the owners. To shield ETH from the current problems is absolutely bonkers as far as I'm concerned, and I'm an impartial observer.
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Who is he to play short to? Defenders? What defenders and midfielders? What midfielders?
We are long way off from being considered a possession based team, moreso than ETH most probably anticipated so has abandoned, not completely, but mostly to play out short from the back.
Saying all this, Onana's range of passing is very good especially when going long.
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So given he's been at the club for 2 years and 4 windows, where are the players in his image? If playing out from the back is so key, why hasn't that area of the pitch been a point of focus for recruitment? Why sign off on Antony for a bloody fortune, Sancho for a left sided forward when it was perfectly clear that was Rashford's preferred position if the defence and midfield were so neglected. Did he have a say? He must have done because otherwise Antony would never have signed. If anything he's had too much autonomy. I know you've had your injuries but signing the likes of Varane and Casemiro in the full knowledge you want to eventually control games playing a high line is feckin crazy. He would absolutely have had a say in who comes in or out and he signed off on players coming in who represent the absolute antithesis of how he supposedly wants to play. Even if you assume these weren't his players, he clearly lacks the character and authority needed to put a foot down and say no.
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Covered all this in detail in a separate thread so won't go over it again
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posted on 7/5/24
Fridgeboy
Knock yourself out here: https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/461970
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 19 seconds ago
He should have been sacked when he brought in weghorst
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I think weghorst is the worst striker we've had in the PL era.
To me, it told me that Eth hugely underestimated the Pl, thinking he could bring weghorst into the team to actually help us, or whatever his aim was.
Eth hasn't learnt a single thing since last season, and for that he has to go.
Fail once, fine, fail twice doing the same thing, hmmm, maybe fine, fail over and over and over doing the same thing, get rid.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Ali -
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 19 seconds ago
He should have been sacked when he brought in weghorst
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Welcome back
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I think weghorst is the worst striker we've had in the PL era.
To me, it told me that Eth hugely underestimated the Pl, thinking he could bring weghorst into the team to actually help us, or whatever his aim was.
Eth hasn't learnt a single thing since last season, and for that he has to go.
Fail once, fine, fail twice doing the same thing, hmmm, maybe fine, fail over and over and over doing the same thing, get rid.
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Held up the ball better than Hojlund though, did nothing else.
I just want to see what the new structure looks like, see how ETH does, if given the chance, under a DoF, Technical Director, new template, overhauled squad. Wilcox is currently undertaking a "comprehensive" review of everything, including ETH, we have to wait to see if the Dutchman features heavily in future plans or if at all.
Under the current "structure" or lack of it no one would succeed, not even the the great coaches, well they would avoid us anyway!
Let's get our house in order before lynching managers. We've done the hiring and firing since SAF and where exactly has it got us?! Nowhere!
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 52 minutes ago
52,
Would you like to do some house keeping and remove the serious allegations RB&W posted or would you like me to alert Admin?
This poster has made it his life's ambition to follow me around and post the same allegations in all, if not most of his posts.
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Just apologise stop been a diqhead and filtering people and get on with the conversations
posted on 7/5/24
The fact that he doesn't understand how predictable we are bothers me. Just on corner kicks alone - I reckon other teams are licking their chops when we have a corner - they know how we over-commit and leave ourselves wide open for a counter. I'd bet our stats show just how many scoring opps we've given on our corners and I know we've given up a few goals as well. It's only one of many details he's missed, but he hasn't learned from mistakes.
I'm certain other posters could add similar faults in our play that keep aiding our opposition week in and week out. I wish him luck back at Ajax next season - he's got no right to be here.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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Nothing to apologise for.
Seriously, you are doing my head in. Move on, grow a pair! Filter me if it bothers you that much. You add nothing to my experience here, absolutely nothing. Disappointed because when you are not being a caaant I actually like what you post.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Fred's Shooting Coach (U18999)
posted 2 minutes ago
The fact that he doesn't understand how predictable we are bothers me. Just on corner kicks alone - I reckon other teams are licking their chops when we have a corner - they know how we over-commit and leave ourselves wide open for a counter. I'd bet our stats show just how many scoring opps we've given on our corners and I know we've given up a few goals as well. It's only one of many details he's missed, but he hasn't learned from mistakes.
I'm certain other posters could add similar faults in our play that keep aiding our opposition week in and week out. I wish him luck back at Ajax next season - he's got no right to be here.
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It's a very high risk, almost suicidal strategy but could he be doing this deliberately to hammer home how sheite we are? Devil's advocate, nothing else.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 10 minutes ago
Fridgeboy
Knock yourself out here: https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/461970
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I've read through most of it. I take your point that if you were looking for a manager capable of working within a templated system it would likely be a project man like ETH but my feeling is that whilst that might be the case in a few years, once you've got your cogs in the right place, right now he lack the kind of personality needed to lead a group through choppy waters. A guy like ETH needs smooth sailing in order to operate and I can't see the choppiness changing any time soon.
Now I know I'm gonna get absolute pelters for this but given the current circumstances, I can see why Southgate is being touted as an attractive proposition. He might not have the tactical depth of some of the more premium coaches but what he does have is the kind of calm, approachable character that can help unify a group. Just look what he managed to do with an England squad that hadn't seen unification for decades really. Sure, he might not be the long term answer but the biggest problem at United over the last few years is that you've looked for the quick fix, the guy that's going to sort it all out straight away. You've never built in stages. Even someone like Eddie Howe would be a good shout and you're United. You COULD get him if you wanted to. You're not as good as Newcastle now but let's be honest, they have an FFP ceiling. He'd be crazy to turn that down.
ETH is good manager but he doesn't solve the problems you currently have. Right man, wrong time.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 39 minutes ago
So he IS backtracking right now. If it actually matters.
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Surely that was the purpose. To get him to backtrack. No one should have an issue with anyone who genuinely backtracks on a former opinion.
It is far more preferable to someone who keeps doubling down on stupidity.
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yes I get that, but hes not going to admit hes backtracking. Not to SE85 anyway. He thinks that by wahhing on about how hes 'explained it in great detail why ETH shouldnt be sacked', time and time again, (and boy, has he) and he STILL doesnt get it, and by that he means agree with him. And if you dont agree with him you are either thick or mentally challenged it seems.
posted on 7/5/24
ETH is good manager but he doesn't solve the problems you currently have. Right man, wrong time.
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That is why I want to wait and see if he features in our DoF and Technical Director's plans.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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Nothing to apologise for.
Seriously, you are doing my head in. Move on, grow a pair! Filter me if it bothers you that much. You add nothing to my experience here, absolutely nothing. Disappointed because when you are not being a caaant I actually like what you post.
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I dont want to filter you. ...
Ok..... I will try and play nicely
posted on 7/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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Ok, I'll unfilter.
😍
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
posted on 7/5/24
Glad you two have found a little respect for each other, I didn't want to get involved as I have no problem with either of you.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by manusin
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
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Very much this
Our predicament is very unique, it's the epitome of chaos and dysfunctional. If we could go back in time we c 0,CK block Malcolm Glazer from ever being conceived! Maybe too far, maybe do whatever we could to turn Utd into a fan owed enterprise and delist from the LSE. The takeover by the Glazers was the worst that could ever happen to us because they have mismanaged us, post SAF, to something unrecognisable.
People cite the funds made available to successive managers, but it's the scatter gun nature of transfers that's failed every manager, even ETH.
I also feel sorry for ETH, he's come into a club rich in resources but poor in everything else, especially structure that a "coach" needs.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Glad you two have found a little respect for each other, I didn't want to get involved as I have no problem with either of you.
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Thanks, 52.
please can you delete that post? Thank you.
posted on 7/5/24
Persisting with a deeply flawed strategy and not doing a single thing over the course of an entire season to remedy issues which have been clearly visible even as far back as August tends to have its consequences.
He's fortunate to have lasted this long.
I can only have so much sympathy with him in regard to injury for the simple fact that even when we haven't had a high number of absences, we've still played the same way and been just as bad.
Getting players back from injury and having a better sporting structure in place won't magically fix our problems when the tactical setup is this poor. It's been that bad that in certain metrics we are bordering on relegation level.
I don't think his stubbornness warrants him being able to manage another game. Any sort of change in approach would be welcome at this stage.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 14 minutes ago
Persisting with a deeply flawed strategy and not doing a single thing over the course of an entire season to remedy issues which have been clearly visible even as far back as August tends to have its consequences.
He's fortunate to have lasted this long.
I can only have so much sympathy with him in regard to injury for the simple fact that even when we haven't had a high number of absences, we've still played the same way and been just as bad.
Getting players back from injury and having a better sporting structure in place won't magically fix our problems when the tactical setup is this poor. It's been that bad that in certain metrics we are bordering on relegation level.
I don't think his stubbornness warrants him being able to manage another game. Any sort of change in approach would be welcome at this stage.
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One aspect of his stubbornness is why is favours the formation he uses over 4-3-3, for example. Possession and control is what he is looking for, it is what we lack in most games by getting overrun.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 14 minutes ago
Persisting with a deeply flawed strategy and not doing a single thing over the course of an entire season to remedy issues which have been clearly visible even as far back as August tends to have its consequences.
He's fortunate to have lasted this long.
I can only have so much sympathy with him in regard to injury for the simple fact that even when we haven't had a high number of absences, we've still played the same way and been just as bad.
Getting players back from injury and having a better sporting structure in place won't magically fix our problems when the tactical setup is this poor. It's been that bad that in certain metrics we are bordering on relegation level.
I don't think his stubbornness warrants him being able to manage another game. Any sort of change in approach would be welcome at this stage.
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One aspect of his stubbornness is why is favours the formation he uses over 4-3-3, for example. Possession and control is what he is looking for, it is what we lack in most games by getting overrun.
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He has 4 games, only 1 counts for me (cup final), he wins that then it's a redemption of sorts, it may reverse fan sentiment.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by manusin
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
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Very much this
Our predicament is very unique, it's the epitome of chaos and dysfunctional. If we could go back in time we c 0,CK block Malcolm Glazer from ever being conceived! Maybe too far, maybe do whatever we could to turn Utd into a fan owed enterprise and delist from the LSE. The takeover by the Glazers was the worst that could ever happen to us because they have mismanaged us, post SAF, to something unrecognisable.
People cite the funds made available to successive managers, but it's the scatter gun nature of transfers that's failed every manager, even ETH.
I also feel sorry for ETH, he's come into a club rich in resources but poor in everything else, especially structure that a "coach" needs.
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Why on earth would you give a failing manager until Christmas? He'd be eating into your summer budget so you'll be bringing players in for a manager that frankly looks like he's facing the bullet. That makes it 10 times harder for anyone else coming in. They'll have no preseason to get their ideas across, their budget will be cut based on ETH's spending. It's crazy financially to do that. If there's any doubt, he should be cut at the end of this season so you can start with a completely clean slate.
posted on 7/5/24
The formation we play has little bearing on whether we're able to control games when the spacing between players and lines is as large as it is. That is one of the biggest issues.
4-2-3-1 is fine if we were actually compact when defending and when pressing but we're the complete opposite.
Having an extra midfielder isn't going to improve things in this respect.
posted on 7/5/24
comment by fridgeboy
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by manusin
posted 10 minutes ago
ETH is rich, I don't know him, so if he's sacked this minute it means nothing to me.
I've defended him because I thought a lot of the problems, injuries would have hindered any manager.
But we are getting worse, so au revoir.
But with a ' hard luck, thanks for your efforts ' he's gone.
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Fair enough
Do you want him out irrespective of change of structure? Or would you be willing to give him another chance under a DoF and Technical Director / overhauled squad?
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I would, but not a full season. To Christmas, and we would need to be an improvement in the style of play.
I like him, and he's been dealt a difficult hand. But it's not the results, it's that we look a poor team.
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Very much this
Our predicament is very unique, it's the epitome of chaos and dysfunctional. If we could go back in time we c 0,CK block Malcolm Glazer from ever being conceived! Maybe too far, maybe do whatever we could to turn Utd into a fan owed enterprise and delist from the LSE. The takeover by the Glazers was the worst that could ever happen to us because they have mismanaged us, post SAF, to something unrecognisable.
People cite the funds made available to successive managers, but it's the scatter gun nature of transfers that's failed every manager, even ETH.
I also feel sorry for ETH, he's come into a club rich in resources but poor in everything else, especially structure that a "coach" needs.
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Why on earth would you give a failing manager until Christmas? He'd be eating into your summer budget so you'll be bringing players in for a manager that frankly looks like he's facing the bullet. That makes it 10 times harder for anyone else coming in. They'll have no preseason to get their ideas across, their budget will be cut based on ETH's spending. It's crazy financially to do that. If there's any doubt, he should be cut at the end of this season so you can start with a completely clean slate.
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That's where you are wrong, Fridgeboy. The Technical Director will be tasked with rebuilding the squad, not the coach. It simply should not matter who the coach is from the moment the new structure starts.
Why? The DoF and TD will create the template playing style, build up a squad then the coach effectively hired to manage the squad. If the coach fails to meet certain milestones he's replaced with another. This approach makes the squad cost effective and sustainable over the long term irrespective of the coach.
If the formula for success is struck by design or chance and it happens to be with ETH then great. But the coach will not be dictating how the squad is shaped.
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