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Relegation odds for next season. Laugh @ PL

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posted on 23/5/24

comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 3 minutes ago
50 quid on the Arsenal & Liverpool double to get relegated would net you a sweet two hundred million pound return.
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already stuck a pony on it

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
But that’s not what sports washing is meant to be. And they don’t need to ‘wash’ their reputation, it’s about networking for investment.
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That's the very definition of sportswashing. You are able to run a successful brand in the Western world regardless of what amnesty say about you. So it doesn't matter what they say about you does it, otherwise you wouldn't be running this football club.
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No it isn’t.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 8 minutes ago
50 quid on the Arsenal & Liverpool double to get relegated would net you a sweet two hundred million pound return.
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You would win the same amount backing Spurs to win the league and that's SFA

posted on 23/5/24

Alright, bad faith post from someone who doesn't appear to understand that if they wanted to make a decent direct ROI on their investment they wouldn't have invested in a football club.

This is why football clubs are so good for sportwashing because nobody even gets it. I'll leave it there.

posted on 23/5/24

“Thicky” Gibson on fine form today!

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 2 minutes ago
Alright, bad faith post from someone who doesn't appear to understand that if they wanted to make a decent direct ROI on their investment they wouldn't have invested in a football club.

This is why football clubs are so good for sportwashing because nobody even gets it. I'll leave it there.
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If Mansour sold City now he'd make £2bn on what he's put in.

The best examples of sportswashing are what's happening in Saudi where everything is and probably always will be, run at a loss.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago

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If Mansour sold City now he'd make £2bn on what he's put in.

The best examples of sportswashing are what's happening in Saudi where everything is and probably always will be, run at a loss.
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So basically Man City has an investment had less ROI greater risk and far more hassle than stocks and property.

But yeah they obviously did it as part of their diversification strategy. No, they did it to get better influence over politicians and grease the wheels with big businesses

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago

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If Mansour sold City now he'd make £2bn on what he's put in.

The best examples of sportswashing are what's happening in Saudi where everything is and probably always will be, run at a loss.
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So basically Man City has an investment had less ROI greater risk and far more hassle than stocks and property.

But yeah they obviously did it as part of their diversification strategy. No, they did it to get better influence over politicians and grease the wheels with big businesses
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I highly doubt that, he was more in with them when he was investing in the banking sector. Politicians don’t care about sports clubs, they’ll care about his Barclays investments and his investments into infrastructure.

I’d say when they bought City, buying a PL club was a pretty safe investment too. Just look at the asset growth all the clubs have had.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago

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If Mansour sold City now he'd make £2bn on what he's put in.

The best examples of sportswashing are what's happening in Saudi where everything is and probably always will be, run at a loss.
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So basically Man City has an investment had less ROI greater risk and far more hassle than stocks and property.

But yeah they obviously did it as part of their diversification strategy. No, they did it to get better influence over politicians and grease the wheels with big businesses
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No, I reckon they did it because of the opportunities to get into the local property market.

They still own the tract of land beside the Ashton Canal between the stadium and the city - That is ripe for development, the argument seems to be over the number of 'affordable' homes they're going to build.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by meltonblue (U10617)

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I highly doubt that, he was more in with them when he was investing in the banking sector. Politicians don’t care about sports clubs, they’ll care about his Barclays investments and his investments into infrastructure.

I’d say when they bought City, buying a PL club was a pretty safe investment too. Just look at the asset growth all the clubs have had.
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Politicians don't care about sports clubs? Oh ok. Yes, they just ignore people finding ways to pour billions into the Country don't they.

You have this backwards, people don't care about football clubs, which is why he can come along and buy one, but gets uproar for taking a stake in barclays. Politicians care greatly about the flow of money into the Country.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 39 minutes ago
o shows sports washing absolutely works.
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I don’t think sports washing works, because I don’t even think it’s a thing. Sheikh Mansour buying Man City did far more to ruin the reputation of the UAE than it did to enhance it, because they’ve drawn far more focus onto the human rights abuses of the country. People in Britain didn’t really know, or care, about this until he made City the most successful club in the country.
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That's quite simplistic isn't it For a start City are a global brand, and secondly "people in the UK" aren't really of any concern here, it's only the people they do business with which are politicians and CEO's.
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Was about to say this, we're not the audience they are targeting.

posted on 23/5/24

Tories don’t.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago

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If Mansour sold City now he'd make £2bn on what he's put in.

The best examples of sportswashing are what's happening in Saudi where everything is and probably always will be, run at a loss.
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So basically Man City has an investment had less ROI greater risk and far more hassle than stocks and property.

But yeah they obviously did it as part of their diversification strategy. No, they did it to get better influence over politicians and grease the wheels with big businesses
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No, I reckon they did it because of the opportunities to get into the local property market.

They still own the tract of land beside the Ashton Canal between the stadium and the city - That is ripe for development, the argument seems to be over the number of 'affordable' homes they're going to build.
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would be a perfectly rational explanation if they didn't have atrocious human rights records and sports weren't historically used by such countries for such purposes

posted on 23/5/24

Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?

posted on 23/5/24

would be a perfectly rational explanation if they didn't have atrocious human rights records and sports weren't historically used by such countries for such purposes
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Really?

Abu Dhabi probably has the best HR record in the area.

Dubai is much worse but people choose not to criticise Arsenal and their Emirates sponsorship

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)

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I highly doubt that, he was more in with them when he was investing in the banking sector. Politicians don’t care about sports clubs, they’ll care about his Barclays investments and his investments into infrastructure.

I’d say when they bought City, buying a PL club was a pretty safe investment too. Just look at the asset growth all the clubs have had.
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Politicians don't care about sports clubs? Oh ok. Yes, they just ignore people finding ways to pour billions into the Country don't they.

You have this backwards, people don't care about football clubs, which is why he can come along and buy one, but gets uproar for taking a stake in barclays. Politicians care greatly about the flow of money into the Country.
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They care a lot more about rescuing banks and infrastructure! Just look at central London and now Manchester.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?
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Nah he’d have done it either way, didn’t need to buy a sports club to do it. Again, look at London.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?
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The pay-off was improved roads, new school and sports centre and loads of jobs for local people.

Manchester City Council did very well out of the deal.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
would be a perfectly rational explanation if they didn't have atrocious human rights records and sports weren't historically used by such countries for such purposes
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Abu Dhabi probably has the best HR record in the area.
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People defending monarchic dictatorships that buy foreign football clubs. Great stuff.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago

Manchester City Council did very well out of the deal.
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I'm sure they did.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
would be a perfectly rational explanation if they didn't have atrocious human rights records and sports weren't historically used by such countries for such purposes
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Really?

Abu Dhabi probably has the best HR record in the area.

Dubai is much worse but people choose not to criticise Arsenal and their Emirates sponsorship
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That’s like bragging about being the tallest dwarf.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?
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The pay-off was improved roads, new school and sports centre and loads of jobs for local people.

Manchester City Council did very well out of the deal.
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How to rehabilitate your reputation with a foreign government critical of your human rights record. Get friendly with a local council, buy land cheap, build schools and infrastructure.

Didn't our government do the same all over the world. It wasn't altruistic, it was about control, power and money.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?
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The pay-off was improved roads, new school and sports centre and loads of jobs for local people.

Manchester City Council did very well out of the deal.
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How to rehabilitate your reputation with a foreign government critical of your human rights record. Get friendly with a local council, buy land cheap, build schools and infrastructure.

Didn't our government do the same all over the world. It wasn't altruistic, it was about control, power and money.
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Our government have been courting investment from them and all over the Middle East for years before they bought a football club to be fair.

There’s a few slightly odd narratives going on here.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?
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The pay-off was improved roads, new school and sports centre and loads of jobs for local people.

Manchester City Council did very well out of the deal.
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How to rehabilitate your reputation with a foreign government critical of your human rights record. Get friendly with a local council, buy land cheap, build schools and infrastructure.

Didn't our government do the same all over the world. It wasn't altruistic, it was about control, power and money.
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Eh? The Royal families have been involved with the highest echelons of British politics for centuries. Local councils aren’t going to enhance their political influence.

posted on 23/5/24

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh and not to mention in buying City Mansour has also been able to buy loads of land in East Manchester on the cheap. Was the former in order to do the latter?
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The pay-off was improved roads, new school and sports centre and loads of jobs for local people.

Manchester City Council did very well out of the deal.
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How to rehabilitate your reputation with a foreign government critical of your human rights record. Get friendly with a local council, buy land cheap, build schools and infrastructure.

Didn't our government do the same all over the world. It wasn't altruistic, it was about control, power and money.
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Our government have been courting investment from them and all over the Middle East for years before they bought a football club to be fair.

There’s a few slightly odd narratives going on here.

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What year did Mansour buy City?

"UAE export overview
The United Arab Emirates (UAE) is the UK’s largest export market in the Middle East and the 13th biggest globally. The UK exported £9.8 billion of goods and services in 2016. This was a 37% increase since 2009. The UAE is the UK’s fourth largest export market outside the EU."

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