I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
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Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
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It’s not how Liverpool set up against them.
Up until this week I've kind of suspected that INEOS plan on keeping him, but I think the sacking of Poch might have changed the landscape slightly, in that if we feel McKenna is too promising an opportunity to miss out on then they might just have to take the gamble.
This is not to say McKenna should or shouldn't get the job, but it's worth bearing in mind that a good sporting operation will look at a much wider set of factors than the typical fan view of "what has he actually achieved?"- case in point: Kompany to Bayern. I'd also have massive reservations about his lack of experience at this level, but by that same logic Pep wouldn't have gotten his break at Barca and Arteta wouldn't have gotten his at Arsenal. And look where those two are now.
Might be premature but I'm going to say that for a first time in a long while, I think we have people running the football side of things who know what they're doing and I'll probably be giving them the benefit of the doubt whatever they decide. Unless what they decide is Southgate. In which case, fūck them.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
I expect him to lose his job based on the league campaign this season
But fair play he’s won a trophy in each of his first 2 seasons at the club
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
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Yes, ETH sprung a surprise, didn't he?!
Wonderful feeling. That second goal 😍
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
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And what a day it’s been. Almost made this season worthwhile. Arguably my favourite game post SAF.
comment by The Process
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
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And what a day it’s been. Almost made this season worthwhile. Arguably my favourite game post SAF.
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Unlike your name you are not here for the process but the glory. Says a lot.
You have to endure the pain, the struggles before you savour the glories. In fact it makes the glorious moments taste that much sweeter.
Imagine what ETH can do under a new structure with a better squad, with higher management constantly encouraging ETH to stick to his principles. Imagine!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
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Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
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You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
And what a day it’s been.
Almost made this season worthwhile.
++++
Absolutely.
Not in the slightest.
Call me reactionary and I know I’ve been on the fence on this but I think we should give ETH one more season.
—
Well that was a rapid turnaround
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
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Playing counter attack is probably the wrong term, but I stand by that it seems our most preferable way of playing.
We concede a lot of possession and shots. We look a bit clueless when we do dominate possession.
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the... (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
Magnificent victory Tbf
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🙏
Berba has a good point here. We are at our best when ball playing teams like city attack us relentlessly, as we can be lethal on the counter. All Pep has to do today was reverse that, sit back (which he can’t do) and let us attack, they’d have won fairly easily as we’ve no idea what to do when we are the ones trying to dictate play. That’s the real battle for ETH whether he gets the time to sort it, had two years, and we are still best playing ole style tactics against big teams who attack.
Why would you keep a manager on the last year of his contract and have the media speculating about his future for the entire season?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
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Playing counter attack is probably the wrong term, but I stand by that it seems our most preferable way of playing.
We concede a lot of possession and shots. We look a bit clueless when we do dominate possession.
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Not just clueless but uncomfortable, nervous, lacking composure in possession. Contrast that with City and and you see a team happy keep the ball, recycle possession when an attack is not possible. It really helps having the right profile of player to play this type of game.
Put Rodrigo and Kovacic alongside Mainoo and we dominate midfield!
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Playing counter attack is probably the wrong term, but I stand by that it seems our most preferable way of playing.
We concede a lot of possession and shots. We look a bit clueless when we do dominate possession.
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Not just clueless but uncomfortable, nervous, lacking composure in possession. Contrast that with City and and you see a team happy keep the ball, recycle possession when an attack is not possible. It really helps having the right profile of player to play this type of game.
Put Rodrigo and Kovacic alongside Mainoo and we dominate midfield!
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That second goal we scored was sublime. I want to see more of that type of goal. Whatever it takes. And it started with our solid defence then Marcus with a wonderful cross field ball to Nacho on the right. Nacho finds Bruno on the edge of the box with a square ball who cutely found Mainoo near the penalty area to slot coolly home. It was a goal City would have been too proud to score. It was beautiful.
What I don't get is how so many people on this board were going "that game was all Eth".
So our diabolical season was all eth as well then?
Us getting dumped out the CL in embarrassing fashion was all Eth?
What part of our season was not "all Eth" and which part was "all Eth".
I'm guessing the posters on this board, any time we play remotely decent it's "all Eth" and any time we get destroyed it's not eths fault.
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 25 minutes ago
Why would you keep a manager on the last year of his contract and have the media speculating about his future for the entire season?
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To watch him improve the team
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 39 seconds ago
What I don't get is how so many people on this board were going "that game was all Eth".
So our diabolical season was all eth as well then?
Us getting dumped out the CL in embarrassing fashion was all Eth?
What part of our season was not "all Eth" and which part was "all Eth".
I'm guessing the posters on this board, any time we play remotely decent it's "all Eth" and any time we get destroyed it's not eths fault.
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For example getting dumped out of the CL was due to Onana before he settled. But we needed a new keeper and who was also good with his feet.
Two teenagers scored our goals today, first time it's ever happened. Introduced by ETH.
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posted on 25/5/24
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
posted on 25/5/24
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
posted on 25/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
posted on 25/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
posted on 25/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
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It’s not how Liverpool set up against them.
posted on 25/5/24
Up until this week I've kind of suspected that INEOS plan on keeping him, but I think the sacking of Poch might have changed the landscape slightly, in that if we feel McKenna is too promising an opportunity to miss out on then they might just have to take the gamble.
This is not to say McKenna should or shouldn't get the job, but it's worth bearing in mind that a good sporting operation will look at a much wider set of factors than the typical fan view of "what has he actually achieved?"- case in point: Kompany to Bayern. I'd also have massive reservations about his lack of experience at this level, but by that same logic Pep wouldn't have gotten his break at Barca and Arteta wouldn't have gotten his at Arsenal. And look where those two are now.
Might be premature but I'm going to say that for a first time in a long while, I think we have people running the football side of things who know what they're doing and I'll probably be giving them the benefit of the doubt whatever they decide. Unless what they decide is Southgate. In which case, fūck them.
posted on 25/5/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
posted on 25/5/24
I expect him to lose his job based on the league campaign this season
But fair play he’s won a trophy in each of his first 2 seasons at the club
posted on 25/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
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Yes, ETH sprung a surprise, didn't he?!
Wonderful feeling. That second goal 😍
posted on 25/5/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
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And what a day it’s been. Almost made this season worthwhile. Arguably my favourite game post SAF.
posted on 25/5/24
comment by The Process
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK then. You are a right wing bigot
Get in you Reds.
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What are you on about now?
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I noticed you wrote, call me reactionary....
Cheer up Process. Weve just won the Cup. Beat City. And qualified for Europe
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And what a day it’s been. Almost made this season worthwhile. Arguably my favourite game post SAF.
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Unlike your name you are not here for the process but the glory. Says a lot.
You have to endure the pain, the struggles before you savour the glories. In fact it makes the glorious moments taste that much sweeter.
Imagine what ETH can do under a new structure with a better squad, with higher management constantly encouraging ETH to stick to his principles. Imagine!
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
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You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
posted on 25/5/24
And what a day it’s been.
Almost made this season worthwhile.
++++
Absolutely.
Not in the slightest.
posted on 25/5/24
Call me reactionary and I know I’ve been on the fence on this but I think we should give ETH one more season.
—
Well that was a rapid turnaround
posted on 25/5/24
Magnificent victory Tbf
posted on 25/5/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Playing counter attack is probably the wrong term, but I stand by that it seems our most preferable way of playing.
We concede a lot of possession and shots. We look a bit clueless when we do dominate possession.
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the... (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
Magnificent victory Tbf
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🙏
posted on 25/5/24
Berba has a good point here. We are at our best when ball playing teams like city attack us relentlessly, as we can be lethal on the counter. All Pep has to do today was reverse that, sit back (which he can’t do) and let us attack, they’d have won fairly easily as we’ve no idea what to do when we are the ones trying to dictate play. That’s the real battle for ETH whether he gets the time to sort it, had two years, and we are still best playing ole style tactics against big teams who attack.
posted on 25/5/24
Why would you keep a manager on the last year of his contract and have the media speculating about his future for the entire season?
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
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You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
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Playing counter attack is probably the wrong term, but I stand by that it seems our most preferable way of playing.
We concede a lot of possession and shots. We look a bit clueless when we do dominate possession.
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Not just clueless but uncomfortable, nervous, lacking composure in possession. Contrast that with City and and you see a team happy keep the ball, recycle possession when an attack is not possible. It really helps having the right profile of player to play this type of game.
Put Rodrigo and Kovacic alongside Mainoo and we dominate midfield!
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
I was thinking the opposite.
A great day and tactically superb…. But we won that game by setting up as the massive underdog that we were.
We did it brilliantly, but it shouldn’t be how we win games.
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Is that not essentially how 95% of teams set up against City?
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Maybe.
But then most teams haven’t spent what we have.
I suppose I want to know that ETH thinks that performance is a necessity of the situation and not how we should be playing each week.
From what I’ve seen, we’ve tried to play counter attack against most teams.
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You think we try to play counter attack against most teams? Really? A major part of our defensive issues this season is because half our team go on a very half-hearted high press and the other half drop deeper leaving way too much space for our midfield players to cover. Had we been setting up deeper and more compact and playing on the counter we'd have been a lot more solid.
The fact is we can't really play a deep-lying counter attack against most teams because most sides don't dominate possession enough to warrant sitting in as tightly and rigidly as we did today. We can adopt this approach against the City's and Arsenal's just as we did under Fergie in big games to great success.
ETH obviously wants us to be more dominant on the ball in the other games, and we've struggled to make the transition to a coherent team both in and out of possession playing in a more expansive, front-foot fashion.
Part of issue in possession is that we front load the opposition backline, going into something of a 3-1-6 with the ball which in my view doesn't help the deep players when all of their options are up against the opposition's backline or in advanced positions too early in the build up phase. This also causes us a big problem when we lose the ball having so many players up ahead of the play.
Again this isn't really the hallmark of a counter attacking team, albeit we definitely look more comfortable playing on the break or in a counter-punching fashion.
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Playing counter attack is probably the wrong term, but I stand by that it seems our most preferable way of playing.
We concede a lot of possession and shots. We look a bit clueless when we do dominate possession.
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Not just clueless but uncomfortable, nervous, lacking composure in possession. Contrast that with City and and you see a team happy keep the ball, recycle possession when an attack is not possible. It really helps having the right profile of player to play this type of game.
Put Rodrigo and Kovacic alongside Mainoo and we dominate midfield!
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That second goal we scored was sublime. I want to see more of that type of goal. Whatever it takes. And it started with our solid defence then Marcus with a wonderful cross field ball to Nacho on the right. Nacho finds Bruno on the edge of the box with a square ball who cutely found Mainoo near the penalty area to slot coolly home. It was a goal City would have been too proud to score. It was beautiful.
posted on 25/5/24
What I don't get is how so many people on this board were going "that game was all Eth".
So our diabolical season was all eth as well then?
Us getting dumped out the CL in embarrassing fashion was all Eth?
What part of our season was not "all Eth" and which part was "all Eth".
I'm guessing the posters on this board, any time we play remotely decent it's "all Eth" and any time we get destroyed it's not eths fault.
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 25 minutes ago
Why would you keep a manager on the last year of his contract and have the media speculating about his future for the entire season?
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To watch him improve the team
posted on 25/5/24
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 39 seconds ago
What I don't get is how so many people on this board were going "that game was all Eth".
So our diabolical season was all eth as well then?
Us getting dumped out the CL in embarrassing fashion was all Eth?
What part of our season was not "all Eth" and which part was "all Eth".
I'm guessing the posters on this board, any time we play remotely decent it's "all Eth" and any time we get destroyed it's not eths fault.
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For example getting dumped out of the CL was due to Onana before he settled. But we needed a new keeper and who was also good with his feet.
Two teenagers scored our goals today, first time it's ever happened. Introduced by ETH.
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