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posted on 25/5/24

Those keen on watching the highlights, MOTD about to start shortly on BBC1! Enjoy. 👍

posted on 25/5/24

comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 2 minutes ago
It really does baffle me how drastically different our approach out of possession has been in the last three games to pretty much the whole season and we've seen how much better off we've been as a result of being much more disciplined, hard-working and compact without the ball in those three games, today especially.

If we had adopted the same kind of off-ball principles not only when defending but when pressing throughout the entire season we wouldn't have finished where we did in the league and we probably wouldn't have exited the Champions League at the group stage, so even though today was absolutely brilliant, it feels like we've just wasted an entire season needlessly exposing ourselves to enormous amounts of danger against all levels of opposition by playing in such a wide open and haphazard manner.

I'd be willing to let Ten Hag continue into next season if the kind of organisation we demonstrated today were to continue and we were to build on it by playing 20-30 yards higher up the pitch and improving the way we're able to sustain attacks and break down teams when space is at a minimum.
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How much of a difference did Licha make? For me a massive difference. Even Ambrabat did everything right, there was a lot of effort on show. Everyone simply raised their game. Effort should be there every game, not just finals.

posted on 25/5/24

comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 2 minutes ago
It really does baffle me how drastically different our approach out of possession has been in the last three games to pretty much the whole season and we've seen how much better off we've been as a result of being much more disciplined, hard-working and compact without the ball in those three games, today especially.

If we had adopted the same kind of off-ball principles not only when defending but when pressing throughout the entire season we wouldn't have finished where we did in the league and we probably wouldn't have exited the Champions League at the group stage, so even though today was absolutely brilliant, it feels like we've just wasted an entire season needlessly exposing ourselves to enormous amounts of danger against all levels of opposition by playing in such a wide open and haphazard manner.

I'd be willing to let Ten Hag continue into next season if the kind of organisation we demonstrated today were to continue and we were to build on it by playing 20-30 yards higher up the pitch and improving the way we're able to sustain attacks and break down teams when space is at a minimum.
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I agree with most of this. I do think injuries played a large part of it. Two of our best players today were Varane and Martinez, before them Shaw. Early on he wouldn't have trusted Onana, so I think, rightly or wrongly, our best option was to defend deep and launch the ball forward to our pacy players, sadly Rashford was out of form, and Rasmus getting little service.
He must have decided we didn't have the midfield players to compete in that area.
Remember we started without Mainoo, and Mount was injured all season.
I definitely want ETH to have another season.
League cup winners last season, and Fa Cup finalists, and winners this season,is not a bad return bearing in mind the injuries.

Also Greenwood was a problem for him, as was Ronaldo and Sancho.
All in all he's done a good job in difficult circumstances.

posted on 25/5/24

Have some shame process.

posted on 25/5/24

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have some shame process.
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posted on 25/5/24

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 8 minutes ago
Have some shame process.
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After the amount of money I forked out today to get to Wembley, I am not going to get into any debate about whether manager should stay or go. I have been in pain all season and intend on celebrating the win.

But have some shame about giving this manager one more season. I am happy this club showing some class and not repeating the atrocious actions post LVG FA cup win. In a weeks time/ when he returns from holiday, the right thing should be done.

posted on 25/5/24

Who would you appoint Scholay?

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 25/5/24

Today was a unique game, both as an occasion, and also as it was against City, where you are most likely going to change how you approach the game if you have an inferior side like ours.

Everything feels double-edged sword to me. We produced our best performance of the season today, but why have we produced so few good performances?

It feels like when you see a lower placed side put in a great performance and people comment 'if they play like that every week, they'll be fine'. Well that's the point they don't so they're not fine, and that same charge can be aimed at us.

There won't be that much change of players next season. Maybe 3 or 4, but the squad will still be 60-70% the same.

We are always going to have injuries. I accept this season was really bad, but it feels like ETH is just going to use this excuse every time. i would have more respect if he actually said, we have so many injuries, but it's still not good enough and we should be doing better.

Injuries do not dictate player effort, or how we should generally approach a game, or how easy it is to play through us. We should still be winning more games, should be producing more of an attacking threat.

I truly believe than any of Poch, Tuchel or McKenna would not do any worse than ETH, and probably a fair bit better.

Of course winning trophies is good, but it's the league that is bread and butter, and you need a certain degree of good fortune to keep doing well in cups.

So thanks for the effort Erik, thanks for giving us a great day today, but I think it's just wasting everyone's time to keep him here next season. Everything fell for us today, but it's hard to suddenly forget the rest of the season.

posted on 25/5/24

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
Who would you appoint Scholay?
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Poch- Tuchel- Ancelotti (if chance presents itself)

posted on 25/5/24

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
Today was a unique game, both as an occasion, and also as it was against City, where you are most likely going to change how you approach the game if you have an inferior side like ours.

Everything feels double-edged sword to me. We produced our best performance of the season today, but why have we produced so few good performances?

It feels like when you see a lower placed side put in a great performance and people comment 'if they play like that every week, they'll be fine'. Well that's the point they don't so they're not fine, and that same charge can be aimed at us.

There won't be that much change of players next season. Maybe 3 or 4, but the squad will still be 60-70% the same.

We are always going to have injuries. I accept this season was really bad, but it feels like ETH is just going to use this excuse every time. i would have more respect if he actually said, we have so many injuries, but it's still not good enough and we should be doing better.

Injuries do not dictate player effort, or how we should generally approach a game, or how easy it is to play through us. We should still be winning more games, should be producing more of an attacking threat.

I truly believe than any of Poch, Tuchel or McKenna would not do any worse than ETH, and probably a fair bit better.

Of course winning trophies is good, but it's the league that is bread and butter, and you need a certain degree of good fortune to keep doing well in cups.

So thanks for the effort Erik, thanks for giving us a great day today, but I think it's just wasting everyone's time to keep him here next season. Everything fell for us today, but it's hard to suddenly forget the rest of the season.
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posted on 25/5/24

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 3 minutes ago
Today was a unique game, both as an occasion, and also as it was against City, where you are most likely going to change how you approach the game if you have an inferior side like ours.

Everything feels double-edged sword to me. We produced our best performance of the season today, but why have we produced so few good performances?

It feels like when you see a lower placed side put in a great performance and people comment 'if they play like that every week, they'll be fine'. Well that's the point they don't so they're not fine, and that same charge can be aimed at us.

There won't be that much change of players next season. Maybe 3 or 4, but the squad will still be 60-70% the same.

We are always going to have injuries. I accept this season was really bad, but it feels like ETH is just going to use this excuse every time. i would have more respect if he actually said, we have so many injuries, but it's still not good enough and we should be doing better.

Injuries do not dictate player effort, or how we should generally approach a game, or how easy it is to play through us. We should still be winning more games, should be producing more of an attacking threat.

I truly believe than any of Poch, Tuchel or McKenna would not do any worse than ETH, and probably a fair bit better.

Of course winning trophies is good, but it's the league that is bread and butter, and you need a certain degree of good fortune to keep doing well in cups.

So thanks for the effort Erik, thanks for giving us a great day today, but I think it's just wasting everyone's time to keep him here next season. Everything fell for us today, but it's hard to suddenly forget the rest of the season.
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Grate post. The fact he said he found the club a mess 2 years ago and is more improved today after we finished the lowest position in the league since the 80’s is shameful. I think he’s gone myself. I’m not going to let a cup final mask just how disgraceful we’ve been this year.

posted on 25/5/24

Lowest finish since the 80’s, -GD for the first time since when? Most amount of PL losses in the PL era, faced the second most shots in the league. Performance in Europe.

The standards have severely lowered at this club if we’re willing to forgive the bloke for one FA Cup win, if this is the mentality then we’re not different to the scousers of the 90’s/noughties.

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 39 seconds ago
What I don't get is how so many people on this board were going "that game was all Eth".
So our diabolical season was all eth as well then?
Us getting dumped out the CL in embarrassing fashion was all Eth?
What part of our season was not "all Eth" and which part was "all Eth".
I'm guessing the posters on this board, any time we play remotely decent it's "all Eth" and any time we get destroyed it's not eths fault.

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For example getting dumped out of the CL was due to Onana before he settled. But we needed a new keeper and who was also good with his feet.
Two teenagers scored our goals today, first time it's ever happened. Introduced by ETH.
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We almost threw the fa cup away because of Onana again.
So you're saying because Eth let a couple youngsters play then "it's all Eth" and on the same mindset because he lets Onana play, it's eth's fault when he doesn't save something that he should?
Also on that note Onana still isn't settled because he still lets in howlers every other week.
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Don't exaggerate to make your point Ali.
I'm saying ETH is good with young players, and we have a few more who will be knocking on the door soon.
We didn't nearly throw the cup away, and Onana had a pretty good game.

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Do you think with s new manager we will get a keeper who never makes a mistake.
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No but Onana is not good enough for this club, although he's not a priority unfortunately as there are other players who need getting rid of before him.
Onana is simply one of eths mistakes, as is Antony, and a few other players.
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Onana has shown signs of promise. and a load of ineptitude. He’s getting better to be fair to him, but seems a long way away from an elite keeper. I’d give him the position next season to see if he can keep getting better, but he started so badly that SAF would have punted him up the road a long time ago. Still yet to see a save he’s made that ddg (or any decent ) keeper wouldn’t have. He bought just enough credit for next season for me

posted on 25/5/24

I highly doubt that Baz, Fergie gave too many chances to some dud keepers that we kept signing after the big Dane left us. Keepers that were worse than Onana has been.

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lowest finish since the 80’s, -GD for the first time since when? Most amount of PL losses in the PL era, faced the second most shots in the league. Performance in Europe.
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This is undeniable, great win & performance today but for large parts of the season performances & results have been diabolically bad,

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 25/5/24

Onana reminds me of a poor man's David James. Always looks like he has a mistake in him, but can pull off the occasional flashy save. This has been covered before, but it is simply because there are other areas that are in such dire need of recruitment that GK is less of a priority.
So he gets a chance to improve next season, but it will need to be considerable to remain here in the long term

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 7 minutes ago
I highly doubt that Baz, Fergie gave too many chances to some dud keepers that we kept signing after the big Dane left us. Keepers that were worse than Onana has been.
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He was quite strict with DDG to be fair

posted on 25/5/24

De Gea’s first season was no where near as mistake ridden as Onana’s

posted on 25/5/24

De Gea never faced nearly as many shots as Onana

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea’s first season was no where near as mistake ridden as Onana’s
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Exactly and SAF dropped him for a while. Took him away from the limelight

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea never faced nearly as many shots as Onana
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Dealt with what he faced far better

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea never faced nearly as many shots as Onana
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Dealt with what he faced far better
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Better shot stopper, not as good claiming crosses or with his feet etc etc

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea never faced nearly as many shots as Onana
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Dealt with what he faced far better
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Better shot stopper, not as good claiming crosses or with his feet etc etc
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De Gea had decent passing ability when we first signed him, absolutely regressed throughout the years though. Makes you wonder how he was Spanish.

posted on 25/5/24

comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard - Ineos your face, proud owner of the 100k comment, fack you Michael Edward’s and your 5m, th (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
De Gea never faced nearly as many shots as Onana
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Dealt with what he faced far better
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Better shot stopper, not as good claiming crosses or with his feet etc etc
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True, but better in everything else. Quite a lot better too. Both keepers capable of a calamity, but so far that crown is onana’s.

posted on 25/5/24

Awful on pens too, and flat out refused to come off his line in any situation

That being said, neither could lace VDS or Schmeichel’s boots

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