Have sen some other stats since last night, Adams average position over the course of the game was deeper than McTominay...he's the one striker we have on the pitch, and McTominay is sitting higher than him most of the time
In the first half inparticular, needed Adams to take the ball in a lot more and get us up the park, he was rank fcking rotten at doing so
Clarke will survive the post mortem because nobody wants the job. As long as he keeps getting through qualification groups, he'll keep his job.
Ireland are struggling to find an international manager after 8/9 months and O'Shea is still the interim manager.
This applies to both countries......with playing squads of mediocre ability, the job has limited appeal I believe.
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Sp... (U3410)
posted 28 minutes ago
Clarke will survive the post mortem because nobody wants the job. As long as he keeps getting through qualification groups, he'll keep his job.
Ireland are struggling to find an international manager after 8/9 months and O'Shea is still the interim manager.
This applies to both countries......with playing squads of mediocre ability, the job has limited appeal I believe.
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That’s the thing though. For me, we “over performed” to qualify. Who’d wager on us beating Spain or a similar rated country again to get to a finals with this turgid and mediocre approach Clarke seems to insist upon?
We’ll be going into an equally tough group soon again and I for one, fear the worst. I hope I’m wrong as being the first team papped out of a competition is a sheite way to perform after a wait of 26 years or whatever it is.
Qualifying for the Euros should be the minimum, its not comparable to past competitions given there’s 24 teams now, not 16.
When likes of Albania, Georgia, Slovenia, Slovakia etc are there, we absolutely should be qualifying
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
Qualifying for the Euros should be the minimum, its not comparable to past competitions given there’s 24 teams now, not 16.
When likes of Albania, Georgia, Slovenia, Slovakia etc are there, we absolutely should be qualifying
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I think you could overestimate our actual ability as a group of players and as a team with this coaching.
again i would love to see mcgregors stats for passing in more detail, just how many dont go back to the centre half.
we got what we deserved from the game, nothing, a must win match and we can't muster a shot on target? really?
as for the penalty, not for me. why armstrong has to do that stupid wee jump to try and win the penalty instead of letting the ball run across him for the shot i'll never know. his decision making is awful sometimes, f... having him back at celtic.
our play reflects our managers face.
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
again i would love to see mcgregors stats for passing in more detail, just how many dont go back to the centre half.
we got what we deserved from the game, nothing, a must win match and we can't muster a shot on target? really?
as for the penalty, not for me. why armstrong has to do that stupid wee jump to try and win the penalty instead of letting the ball run across him for the shot i'll never know. his decision making is awful sometimes, f... having him back at celtic.
our play reflects our managers face.
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McGregor and the others are following Clark’s instructions. To me he just doesn’t trust those who want to drive a game from the off. That’s what McGregor, McGinn, McTominay and Gilmour all try in their league games.
The worst example for me last night was second half we get a break and the ball pings to McTominay. All he has to do is turn and he was in acres of space with support. He didn’t. He simply passed the ball back. Infuriating.
And that was a penalty all day long whether he “jumped in front” of the defender who was running at full pelt (he didn’t btw) or not. He was clipped when one on one with the keeper and that’s a penalty and likely a red card in any game.
What’s the point in VAR if it’s just arbitrarily dismissed when there’s a massive decision to be made? It certainly came into its own when their attacker was injured. A bad injury that but nobody’s fault.
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
i really hate the decision making in regarding to trying to win the penalty mate. he didn't need to do it, if he lets it run across him he has the shot.
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted less than a minute ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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Nope. He’s qualified for tournaments that have changed dramatically in the sense that more teams get to play. It’s the least I’d expect from now on in.
Yes he was unlucky with injuries but he had decent players like Forrest and Shankland, both of whom are capable from scoring from outside the area to bring in. One he didn’t bother with and the other he left far too mate to bring on in a game we had to win.
Hungary were there for the taking. There’s nothing special about that team last night
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
i really hate the decision making in regarding to trying to win the penalty mate. he didn't need to do it, if he lets it run across him he has the shot.
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See I don’t think he had any other intention than trying to protect the ball to get his shot away. It was all at such a pace there’s not a chance he’s thinking “I’ll just jump in here and he’ll take me out”.
Regardless of the fact that that’s what actually happened. Stonewaller to me.
It’ll be interesting to see the take on it if it happens in an OF game.
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 4 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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The 20 years thing is wrong. In 2000 and 2004 qualifying, we were second in our group. In 2008 we came 3rd in a group with France, Italy, Ukraine and Georgia. We’d have qualified for at least 2000 and 2004 if there had been 24 teams at the Euros
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 28 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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I'm confused, mate - you slate Brendanbaw but champion more of the same for Scotland?
yeah but we didn't
we're not a very good team, that backline is horrific.
take away the left back and u had 4 lumps and a bang average goalkeeper.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 28 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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I'm confused, mate - you slate Brendanbaw but champion more of the same for Scotland?
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no, both are schite i wouldn't want either, i just dont think it will get a whole lot better under someone else, we're not a good team.
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 28 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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I'm confused, mate - you slate Brendanbaw but champion more of the same for Scotland?
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no, both are schite i wouldn't want either, i just dont think it will get a whole lot better under someone else, we're not a good team.
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Hmmm. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
We need a change and I’d rather Clarke himself recognised that and saved our beaks from, God forbid, having to make a decision.
It is a fact we don't have the quality of player in depth to seriously challenge the top teams but sending them out with negative tactics to minimise the damage is not helping what shreds of confidence might remain.
No player wants to play defensively, even defenders! Great interview last week with VVD on coming to Celtic and the winning culture changing his whole mindset and game.
We can go out the tournament having done fack all or we can go out at least having a go. Absolute backwater stuff and doesn't help our club attract players.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
It is a fact we don't have the quality of player in depth to seriously challenge the top teams but sending them out with negative tactics to minimise the damage is not helping what shreds of confidence might remain.
No player wants to play defensively, even defenders! Great interview last week with VVD on coming to Celtic and the winning culture changing his whole mindset and game.
We can go out the tournament having done fack all or we can go out at least having a go. Absolute backwater stuff and doesn't help our club attract players.
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Quite.
And Clarke is never going to change his tactics enough to let some of our players at least give it a shot. He got the job because of his performance at club level and that was based on frustrating both halves of the OF and getting results against them.
So if he can’t change, then the only option left is we change him.
FWIW I thought Hendry, Hanley, McKenna were fine last night but then they'd look fine with that safety first approach.
I compared the approach to Southgate last night but I was wrong - at least he gets the first goal before sitting in and making a cvnt of it.
3 points for a win hasn't made enough of a difference. Maybe we need something like the 6 tackle rule in rugby league - if you haven't made anything of your possession you have to give it over.
Anyone see the boy legless trying to stay upright launching his phone and jacket over a wall before succumbing to his paralysis?
https://x.com/stu_will_i_am/status/1804947872804417684
Clarke needs to go. And take his negative tactics with him. He's proved once and for all he's certainly not a tournament manager!
JFK
You always said (rightly) that not knowing who could take a job at Celtic is not a reason for not sacking a bad manager.
You are taking the other side of the argument not to replace Clarke
2 major tournaments with no intent to attack. 6 games.
Last night was as bad for me as the Ukraine world cup qualifier. Nothing to lose, at home and we played that night like we did last night.
I'm fed up reading criticism of the players if I'm honest. McTominay, McGinn, Gilmour, McGregor, Robertson - all play at the top levels in teams who attack yet we payed a defensive 451. Criticising the players for playing it backwards is just but not at the players, they follow the managers lead.
A more prgamatic coach would have done better with the squad.
Straight after the Swiss game I posted that if we were drawing against Hungary Clarke would still wait until far too late before going for it. Even I was surprised by how fecking late he left it though. Waits until the 89th min of game 3 to introduce his first winger of the tournament … and even then sends on the wrong one. He’ll never change. I fully appreciate the limitations he’s working under, but come on. Surely we needed at least 20-30 mins of more attacking intent?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
https://x.com/stu_will_i_am/status/1804947872804417684
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The entire tournament, we looked more comfortable when the opposition had the ball, in their own half and were looking to start building an attack, as it meant we could chase, harry and press to hopefully win the ball in a high are that would get us up the pitch.
When we had possession ourselves, and had to build our own attacks.....absolutely fcking hopeless. We would end up doing fck all, and then we'd eventually play it long and it wasnt sticking with Adams
Cannot go to a tournament with that kind of mentality...just so wrong on every level
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posted on 24/6/24
Have sen some other stats since last night, Adams average position over the course of the game was deeper than McTominay...he's the one striker we have on the pitch, and McTominay is sitting higher than him most of the time
In the first half inparticular, needed Adams to take the ball in a lot more and get us up the park, he was rank fcking rotten at doing so
posted on 24/6/24
Clarke will survive the post mortem because nobody wants the job. As long as he keeps getting through qualification groups, he'll keep his job.
Ireland are struggling to find an international manager after 8/9 months and O'Shea is still the interim manager.
This applies to both countries......with playing squads of mediocre ability, the job has limited appeal I believe.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Izzy... The Rat returns....fvck off back to Sp... (U3410)
posted 28 minutes ago
Clarke will survive the post mortem because nobody wants the job. As long as he keeps getting through qualification groups, he'll keep his job.
Ireland are struggling to find an international manager after 8/9 months and O'Shea is still the interim manager.
This applies to both countries......with playing squads of mediocre ability, the job has limited appeal I believe.
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That’s the thing though. For me, we “over performed” to qualify. Who’d wager on us beating Spain or a similar rated country again to get to a finals with this turgid and mediocre approach Clarke seems to insist upon?
We’ll be going into an equally tough group soon again and I for one, fear the worst. I hope I’m wrong as being the first team papped out of a competition is a sheite way to perform after a wait of 26 years or whatever it is.
posted on 24/6/24
Qualifying for the Euros should be the minimum, its not comparable to past competitions given there’s 24 teams now, not 16.
When likes of Albania, Georgia, Slovenia, Slovakia etc are there, we absolutely should be qualifying
posted on 24/6/24
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
Qualifying for the Euros should be the minimum, its not comparable to past competitions given there’s 24 teams now, not 16.
When likes of Albania, Georgia, Slovenia, Slovakia etc are there, we absolutely should be qualifying
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I think you could overestimate our actual ability as a group of players and as a team with this coaching.
posted on 24/6/24
again i would love to see mcgregors stats for passing in more detail, just how many dont go back to the centre half.
we got what we deserved from the game, nothing, a must win match and we can't muster a shot on target? really?
as for the penalty, not for me. why armstrong has to do that stupid wee jump to try and win the penalty instead of letting the ball run across him for the shot i'll never know. his decision making is awful sometimes, f... having him back at celtic.
our play reflects our managers face.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
again i would love to see mcgregors stats for passing in more detail, just how many dont go back to the centre half.
we got what we deserved from the game, nothing, a must win match and we can't muster a shot on target? really?
as for the penalty, not for me. why armstrong has to do that stupid wee jump to try and win the penalty instead of letting the ball run across him for the shot i'll never know. his decision making is awful sometimes, f... having him back at celtic.
our play reflects our managers face.
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McGregor and the others are following Clark’s instructions. To me he just doesn’t trust those who want to drive a game from the off. That’s what McGregor, McGinn, McTominay and Gilmour all try in their league games.
The worst example for me last night was second half we get a break and the ball pings to McTominay. All he has to do is turn and he was in acres of space with support. He didn’t. He simply passed the ball back. Infuriating.
And that was a penalty all day long whether he “jumped in front” of the defender who was running at full pelt (he didn’t btw) or not. He was clipped when one on one with the keeper and that’s a penalty and likely a red card in any game.
What’s the point in VAR if it’s just arbitrarily dismissed when there’s a massive decision to be made? It certainly came into its own when their attacker was injured. A bad injury that but nobody’s fault.
posted on 24/6/24
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
posted on 24/6/24
i really hate the decision making in regarding to trying to win the penalty mate. he didn't need to do it, if he lets it run across him he has the shot.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted less than a minute ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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Nope. He’s qualified for tournaments that have changed dramatically in the sense that more teams get to play. It’s the least I’d expect from now on in.
Yes he was unlucky with injuries but he had decent players like Forrest and Shankland, both of whom are capable from scoring from outside the area to bring in. One he didn’t bother with and the other he left far too mate to bring on in a game we had to win.
Hungary were there for the taking. There’s nothing special about that team last night
posted on 24/6/24
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
i really hate the decision making in regarding to trying to win the penalty mate. he didn't need to do it, if he lets it run across him he has the shot.
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See I don’t think he had any other intention than trying to protect the ball to get his shot away. It was all at such a pace there’s not a chance he’s thinking “I’ll just jump in here and he’ll take me out”.
Regardless of the fact that that’s what actually happened. Stonewaller to me.
It’ll be interesting to see the take on it if it happens in an OF game.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 4 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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The 20 years thing is wrong. In 2000 and 2004 qualifying, we were second in our group. In 2008 we came 3rd in a group with France, Italy, Ukraine and Georgia. We’d have qualified for at least 2000 and 2004 if there had been 24 teams at the Euros
posted on 24/6/24
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 28 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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I'm confused, mate - you slate Brendanbaw but champion more of the same for Scotland?
posted on 24/6/24
yeah but we didn't
we're not a very good team, that backline is horrific.
take away the left back and u had 4 lumps and a bang average goalkeeper.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 28 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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I'm confused, mate - you slate Brendanbaw but champion more of the same for Scotland?
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no, both are schite i wouldn't want either, i just dont think it will get a whole lot better under someone else, we're not a good team.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by JFK - Super Nintendo Chalmers (U8919)
posted 28 minutes ago
talks of sacking clarke are imo a bit silly.
he's taken us to two tournaments when we hadnt been to one in 20 years.
plenty before him tried and failed, we were unfortunate with some injuries, dykes, ferguson, hickey.
that said, we needed a goal and forrest sitting on the bench while lewis morgan (a fvcking horror of a football player) manages to get on.
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I'm confused, mate - you slate Brendanbaw but champion more of the same for Scotland?
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no, both are schite i wouldn't want either, i just dont think it will get a whole lot better under someone else, we're not a good team.
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Hmmm. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
We need a change and I’d rather Clarke himself recognised that and saved our beaks from, God forbid, having to make a decision.
posted on 24/6/24
It is a fact we don't have the quality of player in depth to seriously challenge the top teams but sending them out with negative tactics to minimise the damage is not helping what shreds of confidence might remain.
No player wants to play defensively, even defenders! Great interview last week with VVD on coming to Celtic and the winning culture changing his whole mindset and game.
We can go out the tournament having done fack all or we can go out at least having a go. Absolute backwater stuff and doesn't help our club attract players.
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
It is a fact we don't have the quality of player in depth to seriously challenge the top teams but sending them out with negative tactics to minimise the damage is not helping what shreds of confidence might remain.
No player wants to play defensively, even defenders! Great interview last week with VVD on coming to Celtic and the winning culture changing his whole mindset and game.
We can go out the tournament having done fack all or we can go out at least having a go. Absolute backwater stuff and doesn't help our club attract players.
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Quite.
And Clarke is never going to change his tactics enough to let some of our players at least give it a shot. He got the job because of his performance at club level and that was based on frustrating both halves of the OF and getting results against them.
So if he can’t change, then the only option left is we change him.
posted on 24/6/24
FWIW I thought Hendry, Hanley, McKenna were fine last night but then they'd look fine with that safety first approach.
I compared the approach to Southgate last night but I was wrong - at least he gets the first goal before sitting in and making a cvnt of it.
3 points for a win hasn't made enough of a difference. Maybe we need something like the 6 tackle rule in rugby league - if you haven't made anything of your possession you have to give it over.
Anyone see the boy legless trying to stay upright launching his phone and jacket over a wall before succumbing to his paralysis?
posted on 24/6/24
https://x.com/stu_will_i_am/status/1804947872804417684
posted on 24/6/24
Clarke needs to go. And take his negative tactics with him. He's proved once and for all he's certainly not a tournament manager!
posted on 24/6/24
JFK
You always said (rightly) that not knowing who could take a job at Celtic is not a reason for not sacking a bad manager.
You are taking the other side of the argument not to replace Clarke
2 major tournaments with no intent to attack. 6 games.
Last night was as bad for me as the Ukraine world cup qualifier. Nothing to lose, at home and we played that night like we did last night.
I'm fed up reading criticism of the players if I'm honest. McTominay, McGinn, Gilmour, McGregor, Robertson - all play at the top levels in teams who attack yet we payed a defensive 451. Criticising the players for playing it backwards is just but not at the players, they follow the managers lead.
A more prgamatic coach would have done better with the squad.
posted on 24/6/24
Straight after the Swiss game I posted that if we were drawing against Hungary Clarke would still wait until far too late before going for it. Even I was surprised by how fecking late he left it though. Waits until the 89th min of game 3 to introduce his first winger of the tournament … and even then sends on the wrong one. He’ll never change. I fully appreciate the limitations he’s working under, but come on. Surely we needed at least 20-30 mins of more attacking intent?
posted on 24/6/24
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
https://x.com/stu_will_i_am/status/1804947872804417684
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posted on 24/6/24
The entire tournament, we looked more comfortable when the opposition had the ball, in their own half and were looking to start building an attack, as it meant we could chase, harry and press to hopefully win the ball in a high are that would get us up the pitch.
When we had possession ourselves, and had to build our own attacks.....absolutely fcking hopeless. We would end up doing fck all, and then we'd eventually play it long and it wasnt sticking with Adams
Cannot go to a tournament with that kind of mentality...just so wrong on every level
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