i won two bets at the beginning of the tournament then won nothing after it.
but i pretty much broke even, so not that bad.
It wasn't the best tournament for bets. I usually do first goalscorer and only really Gakpo was reliable enough. So just won some from him and started lumping it all on draws in the knock outs as teams were seemingly happy for extra time.
i done 2 goal scorers.
i don't think any of them scored a single goal
world cup chose martinez - no goals
euro before it? Immobile, the striker of the team that won it, i may be wrong but i believe zero goals.
A good mate of mine’s office sweep had everybody drawing 2 teams … he pulled out Spain & England.
I hope England get to the World Cup final next time out.
Edging yourself all the way through, you want to the early exit but if you just hold off, gamble take it to the very end then you get the absolute devastation, grown men crying, packed out venues solemn, pundits falling over themselves to point out failures when 45min previously they thought the were on the brink.
The worry is, they are a forward thinking manager away from success but these two final defeats in a row should leave some permanent psychological scars on this bunch of players. A history of bottling it.
It's funny how even the result of a penalty shootout which has no impact on the previously 120 mins, completely changes how the pundits analyse that 120 mins. If England had lost the shootout vs Switzerland then they would have been torn apart for their performance and Southgate sacked on the spot.
Alan Shearer...pressure is for tyres
The khunt won one major trophy in his career and if it wasn't for West Ham drawing with Man United, that Blackburn side would have bottled that league anaw
So so glad they didn't get it over the line...they did not deserve it at all, and I used to like Bellingham but he's coming across as a cocky wee pwick quite often now, put in his place last night which was good to see, he along with Kane were rather awful
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
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And Scotland beat Spain 2-0 😃 🏴
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
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And Scotland beat Spain 2-0 😃 🏴
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Aye, beating Spain isn’t for everybody.
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
Southgate has resigned.
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Aye, gutted.
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted a day ago
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
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France were exactly the same at Euro 2024, yet Deschamps doesn't have to suffer the same pi$h.
Deschamps has been in charge of France for over 12 years, and been France manager for 7 major tournaments
Obviously they won the 2018 World Cup, but otherwise under Deschamps, France have lost 2 quarter finals, lost 2 semi finals, and lost 2 finals, one of them played on home soil
Southgate has been England manager for 4 major tournaments, and under him, England have lost a World Cup quarter final, a World Cup semi final, and 2 Euros finals, one of them also played on home soil
Deschamps still has a job
Southgate has took nothing but stick
When are England going to learn that what they are achieving, is actually the level that most of the major footballing nations around the world do well to achieve, which is be consistent at major tournaments.
If they don't win the fcking thing, it is always considered a failure...for me that is their number one issue, this attitude that they should be winning these tournaments.
At no point in history have England ever been the highest ranked national football team in Europe let alone the World, so ffs why do they think they are failing if they are not beating teams ranked higher than them?
Fair point Stevie but thought you'd have to analyse national psyche and how it has derived from colonialism, settlement, language and historical leadership in much of the modern world's development.
Then also consider that what we get presented is the fan hubris and the fans in the media stoking a story. I fully imagine that within the squad there is realism amongst players and staff.
I mentioned the other day about how the FA have done very well to correct the issues of underachievement. As you say they are where they should expect to be. The question is whether they are able to move it up a gear?
I agree to an extent Silver, but imho, Southgate resigning after what's he's done, would be like Arteta getting dogs abuse for not winning the Premier League with Arsenal and quitting coz he's failed to win it despite having several goes at it...despite the fact that during his reign, there have clearly been better teams than his in the league in the shape of Man City and Liverpool
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
I agree to an extent Silver, but imho, Southgate resigning after what's he's done, would be like Arteta getting dogs abuse for not winning the Premier League with Arsenal and quitting coz he's failed to win it despite having several goes at it...despite the fact that during his reign, there have clearly been better teams than his in the league in the shape of Man City and Liverpool
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There are a few important differences to the Arsenal analogy though. Arsenal play really good football, for starters … Southgate’s Eng played dreadful football. Arsenal ain’t the best financed team in their league … the England international set up undoubtedly has more finance behind it than any other nation, and that’s been the case for some time now.
Also, nobody would deny that Southgate’s “success” has been hugely assisted by some of the easiest routes to the latter stages ever seen. I think he’s a very decent bloke, who has instilled a good team spirit in their squad, but his managerial qualities pretty much end there for me … as his record against other top 10 sides would suggest, on the rare occasions he’s actually had to play one of them. I also think it’s giving both him and his squad (collectively the highest paid group of players on the planet) a bit of a free pass to suggest it’s all the fault of unrealistic expectations from the media and fans. There’s an element of that, but come on.
Southgate is the figurehead but there's a massive team ensuring no all needs are catered for, no problems arise and every possible marginal gain is achieved. Not sure if he's played on anything better but when he played there junior said StG park was the best surface he'd ever played on and that was one of the 'outside' pitches albeit they are supposed to all have been prepped and kept to the same standard.
Switch to Scotland and the squad have to rebel about the Oriam because the rugby surface was not safe to play on! On top of that the fooking SFA are so incompetent they couldn't even reserve rooms at the Marriott there! Now the squad train at Lesser Hampden - did they put grass in?
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 17 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
I agree to an extent Silver, but imho, Southgate resigning after what's he's done, would be like Arteta getting dogs abuse for not winning the Premier League with Arsenal and quitting coz he's failed to win it despite having several goes at it...despite the fact that during his reign, there have clearly been better teams than his in the league in the shape of Man City and Liverpool
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There are a few important differences to the Arsenal analogy though. Arsenal play really good football, for starters … Southgate’s Eng played dreadful football. Arsenal ain’t the best financed team in their league … the England international set up undoubtedly has more finance behind it than any other nation, and that’s been the case for some time now.
Also, nobody would deny that Southgate’s “success” has been hugely assisted by some of the easiest routes to the latter stages ever seen. I think he’s a very decent bloke, who has instilled a good team spirit in their squad, but his managerial qualities pretty much end there for me … as his record against other top 10 sides would suggest, on the rare occasions he’s actually had to play one of them. I also think it’s giving both him and his squad (collectively the highest paid group of players on the planet) a bit of a free pass to suggest it’s all the fault of unrealistic expectations from the media and fans. There’s an element of that, but come on.
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Haven't said it's all the fault of unrealistic expectations from the fans and media...and for me money doesn't mean $hit when it comes to the national team, coz the pool of talent can't change no matter how much money you throw at it
I just don't get the slaughtering Southgate gets when he's done better than any England manager has for a long time
I suppose he doesn't help himself much....Deschamps came out and basically had a go at some of his players because they didn't perform to their level
Southgate would probably get some critics off his back if he did the same but he defends his players to the hilt no matter how $hite they are playing
Stevie … I wasn’t referring to your comments when I mentioned blaming everything on unrealistic media & fan expectations, but a fair few Eng posters on here have been playing that card throughout the Euros. On the money side, the Eng set up is awash with cash, so everything they do is the best of the best … that’s got to help, surely? It also clearly helps them attract players who have a “choice” of countries they can represent, both in terms of getting the very best facilities etc and the commercial endorsement spin offs on the back of Eng duty. Declan Rice, for example.
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posted on 15/7/24
i won two bets at the beginning of the tournament then won nothing after it.
but i pretty much broke even, so not that bad.
posted on 15/7/24
It wasn't the best tournament for bets. I usually do first goalscorer and only really Gakpo was reliable enough. So just won some from him and started lumping it all on draws in the knock outs as teams were seemingly happy for extra time.
posted on 15/7/24
i done 2 goal scorers.
i don't think any of them scored a single goal
world cup chose martinez - no goals
euro before it? Immobile, the striker of the team that won it, i may be wrong but i believe zero goals.
posted on 15/7/24
A good mate of mine’s office sweep had everybody drawing 2 teams … he pulled out Spain & England.
posted on 15/7/24
I hope England get to the World Cup final next time out.
Edging yourself all the way through, you want to the early exit but if you just hold off, gamble take it to the very end then you get the absolute devastation, grown men crying, packed out venues solemn, pundits falling over themselves to point out failures when 45min previously they thought the were on the brink.
The worry is, they are a forward thinking manager away from success but these two final defeats in a row should leave some permanent psychological scars on this bunch of players. A history of bottling it.
posted on 15/7/24
It's funny how even the result of a penalty shootout which has no impact on the previously 120 mins, completely changes how the pundits analyse that 120 mins. If England had lost the shootout vs Switzerland then they would have been torn apart for their performance and Southgate sacked on the spot.
posted on 15/7/24
Alan Shearer...pressure is for tyres
The khunt won one major trophy in his career and if it wasn't for West Ham drawing with Man United, that Blackburn side would have bottled that league anaw
So so glad they didn't get it over the line...they did not deserve it at all, and I used to like Bellingham but he's coming across as a cocky wee pwick quite often now, put in his place last night which was good to see, he along with Kane were rather awful
posted on 15/7/24
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
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And Scotland beat Spain 2-0 😃 🏴
posted on 15/7/24
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
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And Scotland beat Spain 2-0 😃 🏴
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Aye, beating Spain isn’t for everybody.
posted on 16/7/24
Southgate has resigned.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Blue Heaven (U20912)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
Southgate has resigned.
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Aye, gutted.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted a day ago
The discussion last week about whether the media, fans etc all owed Gareth Southgate an apology!!??
An apology for being honest and questioning why he persisted with a CF who ran like he was towing John Lundstram, why he took a LB to the tournament but persisted with playing a RB out of position there, why they sat back in every game as soon as they scored a goal?
But aye - they should all apologise for Southgate who essentially scraped through to the final despite having a spectacularly easy half of the draw and a massive amount of talent to draw on. FFS guys worth £50-100m like Maddison and Grealish didnt even make the squad.
England have an embarrassment of riches in the final third in particular yet were probably the dullest team in tournament behind Scotland.
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France were exactly the same at Euro 2024, yet Deschamps doesn't have to suffer the same pi$h.
Deschamps has been in charge of France for over 12 years, and been France manager for 7 major tournaments
Obviously they won the 2018 World Cup, but otherwise under Deschamps, France have lost 2 quarter finals, lost 2 semi finals, and lost 2 finals, one of them played on home soil
Southgate has been England manager for 4 major tournaments, and under him, England have lost a World Cup quarter final, a World Cup semi final, and 2 Euros finals, one of them also played on home soil
Deschamps still has a job
Southgate has took nothing but stick
When are England going to learn that what they are achieving, is actually the level that most of the major footballing nations around the world do well to achieve, which is be consistent at major tournaments.
If they don't win the fcking thing, it is always considered a failure...for me that is their number one issue, this attitude that they should be winning these tournaments.
At no point in history have England ever been the highest ranked national football team in Europe let alone the World, so ffs why do they think they are failing if they are not beating teams ranked higher than them?
posted on 16/7/24
Fair point Stevie but thought you'd have to analyse national psyche and how it has derived from colonialism, settlement, language and historical leadership in much of the modern world's development.
Then also consider that what we get presented is the fan hubris and the fans in the media stoking a story. I fully imagine that within the squad there is realism amongst players and staff.
I mentioned the other day about how the FA have done very well to correct the issues of underachievement. As you say they are where they should expect to be. The question is whether they are able to move it up a gear?
posted on 16/7/24
I agree to an extent Silver, but imho, Southgate resigning after what's he's done, would be like Arteta getting dogs abuse for not winning the Premier League with Arsenal and quitting coz he's failed to win it despite having several goes at it...despite the fact that during his reign, there have clearly been better teams than his in the league in the shape of Man City and Liverpool
posted on 17/7/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
I agree to an extent Silver, but imho, Southgate resigning after what's he's done, would be like Arteta getting dogs abuse for not winning the Premier League with Arsenal and quitting coz he's failed to win it despite having several goes at it...despite the fact that during his reign, there have clearly been better teams than his in the league in the shape of Man City and Liverpool
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There are a few important differences to the Arsenal analogy though. Arsenal play really good football, for starters … Southgate’s Eng played dreadful football. Arsenal ain’t the best financed team in their league … the England international set up undoubtedly has more finance behind it than any other nation, and that’s been the case for some time now.
Also, nobody would deny that Southgate’s “success” has been hugely assisted by some of the easiest routes to the latter stages ever seen. I think he’s a very decent bloke, who has instilled a good team spirit in their squad, but his managerial qualities pretty much end there for me … as his record against other top 10 sides would suggest, on the rare occasions he’s actually had to play one of them. I also think it’s giving both him and his squad (collectively the highest paid group of players on the planet) a bit of a free pass to suggest it’s all the fault of unrealistic expectations from the media and fans. There’s an element of that, but come on.
posted on 17/7/24
Southgate is the figurehead but there's a massive team ensuring no all needs are catered for, no problems arise and every possible marginal gain is achieved. Not sure if he's played on anything better but when he played there junior said StG park was the best surface he'd ever played on and that was one of the 'outside' pitches albeit they are supposed to all have been prepped and kept to the same standard.
Switch to Scotland and the squad have to rebel about the Oriam because the rugby surface was not safe to play on! On top of that the fooking SFA are so incompetent they couldn't even reserve rooms at the Marriott there! Now the squad train at Lesser Hampden - did they put grass in?
posted on 17/7/24
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 17 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
I agree to an extent Silver, but imho, Southgate resigning after what's he's done, would be like Arteta getting dogs abuse for not winning the Premier League with Arsenal and quitting coz he's failed to win it despite having several goes at it...despite the fact that during his reign, there have clearly been better teams than his in the league in the shape of Man City and Liverpool
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There are a few important differences to the Arsenal analogy though. Arsenal play really good football, for starters … Southgate’s Eng played dreadful football. Arsenal ain’t the best financed team in their league … the England international set up undoubtedly has more finance behind it than any other nation, and that’s been the case for some time now.
Also, nobody would deny that Southgate’s “success” has been hugely assisted by some of the easiest routes to the latter stages ever seen. I think he’s a very decent bloke, who has instilled a good team spirit in their squad, but his managerial qualities pretty much end there for me … as his record against other top 10 sides would suggest, on the rare occasions he’s actually had to play one of them. I also think it’s giving both him and his squad (collectively the highest paid group of players on the planet) a bit of a free pass to suggest it’s all the fault of unrealistic expectations from the media and fans. There’s an element of that, but come on.
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Haven't said it's all the fault of unrealistic expectations from the fans and media...and for me money doesn't mean $hit when it comes to the national team, coz the pool of talent can't change no matter how much money you throw at it
I just don't get the slaughtering Southgate gets when he's done better than any England manager has for a long time
I suppose he doesn't help himself much....Deschamps came out and basically had a go at some of his players because they didn't perform to their level
Southgate would probably get some critics off his back if he did the same but he defends his players to the hilt no matter how $hite they are playing
posted on 18/7/24
Stevie … I wasn’t referring to your comments when I mentioned blaming everything on unrealistic media & fan expectations, but a fair few Eng posters on here have been playing that card throughout the Euros. On the money side, the Eng set up is awash with cash, so everything they do is the best of the best … that’s got to help, surely? It also clearly helps them attract players who have a “choice” of countries they can represent, both in terms of getting the very best facilities etc and the commercial endorsement spin offs on the back of Eng duty. Declan Rice, for example.
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