comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
just ban condoms
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SNP all the way

Anyone voting Tory this week literally can't be helped. They are a lost cause.

Even if you always do vote for them.....surely you've seen enough to want change? If they get battered (which they will) you will get change too. The whole lot of them are toast.

FPTP is a strange old system but, this year perhaps, it may stop us from getting too many Reform candidates winning. Which isn't a bad thing!
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So in effect you are saying representation and will of the people is a bad thing. Just ban elections altogether right?

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Active Measures. (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 seconds ago
I'll vote Green.

My calculation is that Labour will win in my constituency, and it's more useful casting a vote 1) to play my tiny part in rebalancing the Overton window in a left-wing direction, and 2) because I'm fed up of Labour telling me that a vote for any other party is wasted within our electoral system, while having no interest in reforming FPTP.
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Hope all is well Rosso!
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Long time no see!

All’s well here mate, thanks. How are you?
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All good thanks. Working away so don't have much time to post on here that often anymore.

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
If I was voting it would be green/independent

How anyone can vote Tory or even worse reform hurts my brain
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I'd hazard a guess that those with wealth, pensions and anti immigration agendas will vote Tories or Reform.
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Wealthy or otherwise, you have to be spectacularly economically illiterate to vote for Reform based on their economic policies.

In action, they’d make Trussonomics look eminently sensible and successful.
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Same is true for the Tories based on the economic mess they’ve created in the UK the last 14 years. Hence why even facking billionaires aren’t backing them.

Why isn’t this old fart arrested for hate crimes?

https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1808252671880556680?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone voting Tory this week literally can't be helped. They are a lost cause.

Even if you always do vote for them.....surely you've seen enough to want change? If they get battered (which they will) you will get change too. The whole lot of them are toast.
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The "traditional" Conservative party have been on the decline for a number of years now. Mainly due infighting over Europe/social issues.

How they rebuild is anyone's guess but can see them moving further to the right (as they had to do to with Ukip/Brexit party).

This is well worth a watch from Jonathan Pie who pretty much nails it.

https://youtu.be/cKAeO-5saqQ?si=LpBpC00wpXPDufkf

Don't rate any of them, I'm right wing and live in a right wing constituency who are still bookies favs to win here. Nobody I've spoken to are voting Tory, nor are I. Can't stand Labour but they've earned the chance to have a go given how bad the current lot have done. I like Farage but Reform ain't winning and are a waste of time barring there stance on immigration, its there only power play and don't offer sod all else. Most around here are voting them though. No vote for me, Labour will walk it.

"How anyone can vote Tory or even worse reform hurts my brain"
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It's clear that voting should be left to the few amongst us with the superior brains, and ability to make such important decisions for the rest of us....
The vast majority simply do not deserve to vote at all, let alone voice their deplorable opinions.

comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why isn’t this old fart arrested for hate crimes?

https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1808252671880556680?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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‘You’re a woke.’

This sums up the reeetarded right’s political discourse.

It’s not even that the term has been rendered completely meaningless by the right, it’s that it’s not even facking grammatically correct.

comment by Jim Duffy (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by RED666…Out on the “Right Wing”! (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
Obviously it’s gonna be a landslide victory to Labour, but I’ll be sticking to voting Tory as i always do.
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Why??? Are you woke?? Any hard working brit who wants to put our country first votes for Reform. Why do you HATE our country?
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Wow! Sell Reform to me then!

comment by Ras Clar Teta (U22980)
posted 45 minutes ago
Why do people have to go to a polling station
Why cant they just logon to a website and submit their vote
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Russia would love that. They're already creating havoc with NHS systems, can you imagine what they'd do if voting was online, considering what they got up to during the Brexit vote.

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
If I was voting it would be green/independent

How anyone can vote Tory or even worse reform hurts my brain
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I'd hazard a guess that those with wealth, pensions and anti immigration agendas will vote Tories or Reform.
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Wealthy or otherwise, you have to be spectacularly economically illiterate to vote for Reform based on their economic policies.

In action, they’d make Trussonomics look eminently sensible and successful.
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Agree, which is why I added anti-immigration agendas

The one thing other parties need to take from Reform is taxes on banks. They shouldn’t benefit from the nations pain.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
If I was voting it would be green/independent

How anyone can vote Tory or even worse reform hurts my brain
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I'd hazard a guess that those with wealth, pensions and anti immigration agendas will vote Tories or Reform.
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Wealthy or otherwise, you have to be spectacularly economically illiterate to vote for Reform based on their economic policies.

In action, they’d make Trussonomics look eminently sensible and successful.
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Agree, which is why I added anti-immigration agendas

The one thing other parties need to take from Reform is taxes on banks. They shouldn’t benefit from the nations pain.
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It's the banks that make the UK the most. I wouldn't be pushing them around and expecting no consequences. Banking is 8% of UK GDP, not to mention the jobs the industry creates.

I'd be more concerned at looking at the big corporations which aren't a necessity who don't pay enough taxes. Starbucks for example made around £150m profit but paid only around £7m in taxes.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
If I was voting it would be green/independent

How anyone can vote Tory or even worse reform hurts my brain
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I'd hazard a guess that those with wealth, pensions and anti immigration agendas will vote Tories or Reform.
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Wealthy or otherwise, you have to be spectacularly economically illiterate to vote for Reform based on their economic policies.

In action, they’d make Trussonomics look eminently sensible and successful.
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Agree, which is why I added anti-immigration agendas

The one thing other parties need to take from Reform is taxes on banks. They shouldn’t benefit from the nations pain.
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It's the banks that make the UK the most. I wouldn't be pushing them around and expecting no consequences. Banking is 8% of UK GDP, not to mention the jobs the industry creates.

I'd be more concerned at looking at the big corporations which aren't a necessity who don't pay enough taxes. Starbucks for example made around £150m profit but paid only around £7m in taxes.
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Yes but when interest rates rise to these levels, they make a lot of extra money (circa £30bn-£40bn) without any extra services or costs.

Most countries windfall tax these scenarios specifically. Why is it the taxpayer is expected to bail them out when they feck up yet when people are struggling they also get to benefit?

Why are people voting for labour?
Just curious...

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why are people voting for labour?
Just curious...
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I work in the public sector and I have NEVER known it so bad. The cuts through austerity absolutely ruined us. Ten year pay freezes, cuts to staff, equipment, recruitment, moral is in the floor. That is all down to the tories.

At this stage I honestly don’t care who comes in as long as it’s not those khants.

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 23 minutes ago
Why are people voting for labour?
Just curious...
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Because any other centrist party will perform better than the centrist party of the last 14 years. Why will they perform better you ask? Because no British government can be as bad as the one we've just had, it's not possible. It's been embarrassment after embarrassment.

Thinking austerity will help balance the countries books after a world wide financial crash
Brexit
Theresa May
Boris Johnsons lies after lies after lies
Partygate
Trussenomics
Sunak promising he's going to cut our taxes and offer us a free meal on the side. Lies

Even if Labour don't perform amazingly well this term, they cannot be as selfish, sleazy, and disgraceful as this Tory government.

My constituency will vote Labour, it nearly always does, and I'm going to ensure that continues by voting labour too

The government of the last 14 years was not centrist in any meaningful way. It pushed on us ideologically driven austerity and the Truss budget - both radical supply side economic policy. It pursued an antagonistic relationship with our closest allies and most important trading partners in the course of leveraging nativist sentiment. It tried to harness deeply socially conservative ideas as wedge issues. And eroded the rule of law and checks and balances with attacks on the judiciary, independence of media, misleading parliament, illegal prorogation of parliament, etc.

The Tory government has been a very right-wing government, in many ways unconservative in the traditional sense of the word (in fact much closer to the politics of Farage than e.g. John Major), and certainly not centrist.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
If I was voting it would be green/independent

How anyone can vote Tory or even worse reform hurts my brain
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I'd hazard a guess that those with wealth, pensions and anti immigration agendas will vote Tories or Reform.
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I know plenty of people with wealth and pensions who wont dream of voting Conservative or Reform. Thats like saying only poor people vote Labour. Most people in the UK are thick. Poor or wealthy.

FFS Busby you and your blue rinced geriatric friends gave us Liz Truss. You dont know what you are talking about really do you?.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
The government of the last 14 years was not centrist in any meaningful way. It pushed on us ideologically driven austerity and the Truss budget - both radical supply side economic policy. It pursued an antagonistic relationship with our closest allies and most important trading partners in the course of leveraging nativist sentiment. It tried to harness deeply socially conservative ideas as wedge issues. And eroded the rule of law and checks and balances with attacks on the judiciary, independence of media, misleading parliament, illegal prorogation of parliament, etc.

The Tory government has been a very right-wing government, in many ways unconservative in the traditional sense of the word (in fact much closer to the politics of Farage than e.g. John Major), and certainly not centrist.
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And the worst thing about all this is how it’s dragged Labour to the right on economics.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
The government of the last 14 years was not centrist in any meaningful way. It pushed on us ideologically driven austerity and the Truss budget - both radical supply side economic policy. It pursued an antagonistic relationship with our closest allies and most important trading partners in the course of leveraging nativist sentiment. It tried to harness deeply socially conservative ideas as wedge issues. And eroded the rule of law and checks and balances with attacks on the judiciary, independence of media, misleading parliament, illegal prorogation of parliament, etc.

The Tory government has been a very right-wing government, in many ways unconservative in the traditional sense of the word (in fact much closer to the politics of Farage than e.g. John Major), and certainly not centrist.
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The current conservative government is so far to the left that you can't tell the difference with labour anymore

Unfortunately people like you have changed the political scale. Something that was considered centrist 20 years ago is considered far extreme right these days

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
I’d love to know what the Reform voters on here think about:

1. Austerity (given that rather than invest more in public services, Reform want to further shrink the size of the state)

2. Brexit (given that Farage’s vision was, and is, of a harder exit, which economists near universally agree would have had an even more severe immediate economic impact)

3. The potential economic impacts of simultaneously introducing a Zero Net Immigration policy and actioning larger tax cuts than those pledged by the Kwarteng budget which crashed the economy

Please don’t be shy.
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I’m no reform voter but re #1 why would that be any issue? We’ve had virtually full employment through the last 4 crisis. We need to up productivity to match or beat similar nations and I see nobody with policies to do that.

I once read there were 30,000 people administering national insurance in the country! We all know it is just a tax. Its relevance has fallen away. Average wage say £30k and there’s £900m a year saving.

TV license, abolish it. 5% of it goes on administration. Evasion is rampant and rising inexorably. Thanks another £200m a year.

Politicos are obsessed with the message of cutting headline taxes whilst raising indirect taxes which due to their size are inefficient to administer. Even the OBR recognises overall taxes have gone up. Clapham man only sees the headlines. Yes there will be bleating from some weirdos why they should pay when they’ve never had a tv yeah right but fck it no different to local taxes when you don’t have kids or use the library, tough sh.t.

Shortage of trades. offer free, centralised training and support and assistance after training to buy the van, tools, phone centre & accounting support. Will payback like student loans and you’ll earn a damn sight more than average plus inflation will drop as trades demand is met. Franchises can do it for £30-40k why not government?

Nobody offering real, practical solutions like this. Frustrating.

comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 17 minutes ago
The government of the last 14 years was not centrist in any meaningful way. It pushed on us ideologically driven austerity and the Truss budget - both radical supply side economic policy. It pursued an antagonistic relationship with our closest allies and most important trading partners in the course of leveraging nativist sentiment. It tried to harness deeply socially conservative ideas as wedge issues. And eroded the rule of law and checks and balances with attacks on the judiciary, independence of media, misleading parliament, illegal prorogation of parliament, etc.

The Tory government has been a very right-wing government, in many ways unconservative in the traditional sense of the word (in fact much closer to the politics of Farage than e.g. John Major), and certainly not centrist.
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The current conservative government is so far to the left that you can't tell the difference with labour anymore

Unfortunately people like you have changed the political scale. Something that was considered centrist 20 years ago is considered far extreme right these days
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