I'll hold my hands up on this one. I was one of those that was calling Southgate out. Those first four games were such an uninspiring slog with players seemingly choosing the safe pass over the brave one time and time again. It seemed to me that his cautious style was hampering the attacking strengths of one of the best squads in the tournament. Game by game though, personnel, formations and tactics have changed and you have to give him credit for that and recognising what wasn't working. The players aren't just more cohesive, their much braver. Passes that break lines and players, particularly defenders, shifting positions to join midfield in possession. That takes guts so maybe the fear was in the players all along for some reason. Maybe it was never Gareth. Either way, we've vastly improved and have a chance on Sunday, albeit a small one.
The only thing I would say is that if we play with a back three on Sunday against a side that will control the game, we're likely to end up with a back five as Saka and Shaw/Trippier spend more time defending than being dangerous at the other end. It could be a recipe for disaster. Equally, if Spain play a high line, is this a game for Watkins who can spin in behind? That's a hard call for a Spurs fan to make but it's definitely worth considering. Either way, I think we're going to need a massive slice of luck again to win. If Netherlands was one step up from the Swiss, Spain are like five steps up from the Netherlands.
comment by Wahl - HDTD (U22962)
posted 7 minutes ago
Mourinho got so much furrrking shiiit from Spurs fans for boring performances but reached a final in only a year into the job - was denied a trophy by the trigger happy Levy.
Southgate reaches a final and is a furrrking hero. Go figure.
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Ultimately results are what got Mourinho the sack just as they did at Roma. Levy cares more about top 4 than trophies and at the point of sacking we looked out of the top 4 race.
Build him a statue. Twice as many major finals than all other England managers combined.
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Build him a statue. Twice as many major finals than all other England managers combined.
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Needs to win something first.
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
So……….
Would YOU want him managing YOUR club?
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No but I’m happy with him managing my national team
comment by Wahl - HDTD (U22962)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Mourinho got so much furrrking shiiit from Spurs fans for boring performances but reached a final in only a year into the job - was denied a trophy by the trigger happy Levy.
Southgate reaches a final and is a furrrking hero. Go figure.
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Again - I didn’t Slag Mourinho constantly tell Devonshire (aka Daniel Levy’s JA account) that sacking Jose 6 days before a final was monumentally stupid.
The problem in the Spurs fan base is that we have a hard core who are all about style over substance. Offer them a jammy 1-0 Champions league final win with a schitt performance or a 5-4 loss with Spurs outplaying the oppo and being feigned for their level of play and they will take the latter - it’s one of the biggest things holding the club back, some of our fans won’t accept winning ugly
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
I say this as a Scotsman.
I'm happy for England and their fans to have reached a second consecutive final, there's no other game in which your humbling can be so delicious.
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I think not getting through the group stages whilst barely registering a shot on target and getting stitched up by one of the worst sides in the tournament in the dying seconds is as humbling as it gets
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
I say this as a Scotsman.
I'm happy for England and their fans to have reached a second consecutive final, there's no other game in which your humbling can be so delicious.
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I think not getting through the group stages whilst barely registering a shot on target and getting stitched up by one of the worst sides in the tournament in the dying seconds is as humbling as it gets
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Well, we have already beaten Spain in this Euro campaign, will you?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
I say this as a Scotsman.
I'm happy for England and their fans to have reached a second consecutive final, there's no other game in which your humbling can be so delicious.
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I think not getting through the group stages whilst barely registering a shot on target and getting stitched up by one of the worst sides in the tournament in the dying seconds is as humbling as it gets
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Well, we have already beaten Spain in this Euro campaign, will you?
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Wasn’t that 15 months ago?! And they played their second string - no Yamal (he was still in nursery), no Pedri, No Olmo, even Morata wasn’t playing ffs
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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We were 60 seconds away from being knocked out by Slovakia without having had a shot on target.
Football often has fine margins but this alone means there’s a chunk of luck attributed to Southgate this campaign.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Southgate fans - "Best England manager ever"
Also Southgate fans - "Wouldn't want him anywhere near my club"
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Spurtle
Won't have it Strike, everything we do this tournament is in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
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It’s a stupid argument, so I’m not surprised you agree with it Neo
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Genuinely lolled there
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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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Show me where I said world class?
I have explained that I dont want him at Spurs because the whining from other fans about style would grate too much.
I can put up with the whining for 4 weeks a year when it comes to country
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
Not English so my opinion is imo only, I like Gareth as a bloke, speaks well and has no nippy qualities I’ve seen or heard, he’s done so well getting to Semis and finals consistently so he obvs has some quality and skills but and it’s a big but I do wonder if another manager who had the same access to the level and quality of players he has might have done as well as he has done ?
Now there’s no way of knowing this to be fair and they might have done worse or maybe won something already but if he wins Sunday then it’s all moot and he deserves kudos, I have felt the level of international football world wide last 5yrs or so has been slightly lower than before but you can only work with what you face.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
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Fair point Strike but to be fair Fergie did have to work with a fairly dreadful squad against some good teams
I do however also agree that club and international football management are very different, they have large gaps between games and don’t have any impact of players form, fitness or how they feel and tourneys are often at the end of a long hard season
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posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
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Fair point Strike but to be fair Fergie did have to work with a fairly dreadful squad against some good teams
I do however also agree that club and international football management are very different, they have large gaps between games and don’t have any impact of players form, fitness or how they feel and tourneys are often at the end of a long hard season
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I would be fine with trying a new manager if a top one was available, I see little point in trading for Howe or Potter who have a Swedish cup and League cup runners up medal between them
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
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Fair point Strike but to be fair Fergie did have to work with a fairly dreadful squad against some good teams
I do however also agree that club and international football management are very different, they have large gaps between games and don’t have any impact of players form, fitness or how they feel and tourneys are often at the end of a long hard season
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I would be fine with trying a new manager if a top one was available, I see little point in trading for Howe or Potter who have a Swedish cup and League cup runners up medal between them
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Oh for sure, a job the size of England wouldn’t be easy to fill, some fans only want an Englishman to have the job and even if not most of the really top managers still want to be involved in a day to day job at club level
If Gareth does leave after this tourney it will be interesting who the FA would bring in?
I completely respect Gareth Southgate i want him to well, i always respected him after that penalty miss and the old pizza hut adverts.
However England are Manchester City we should be winning every tournament and we have not won anything.
We look too much at the past, rather than the here and now.
We had a "golden generation" so did Portugal, France, Italy, Spain. It is about moments in time.
We are now in international waters where the ONLY competition is France. Every other team can not compare to us that includes Spain on Sunday.
We are Manchester City playing a Barcelona on sunday we should be winning.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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I don't know if they are world class or not. I know they have won something at international level though, something Southgate hasn't done yet. Do you think they would have won something with their countries by now were they given the same draws and quality teams Southgate has had? I would say probably yes.
Now if he beats Spain that will obviously change things and he will have to be given credit. So far his tactics in at least two previous tournaments have been our undoing when it came to getting into the World Cup final in 2018 and winning the final at the last Euros. His legacy hinges on this up coming game. If we win and I have my doubts then it shuts me up, and if he doesn't then he has ultimately underachieved.
I find it interesting to note Gareth is the highest paid manager of the whole lot at the Euros. Even Nagelsmann.
Southgate's done pretty good tbf but he's not the messiah
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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Show me where I said world class?
I have explained that I dont want him at Spurs because the whining from other fans about style would grate too much.
I can put up with the whining for 4 weeks a year when it comes to country
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Wow, I thought the reason was because you just didn't rate him so much at club level compared to international level. You would actually have him then if you could guarantee fans wouldn't be moaning about him?
comment by Bãleș left boot can't stand Spain (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting to note Gareth is the highest paid manager of the whole lot at the Euros. Even Nagelsmann.
Southgate's done pretty good tbf but he's not the messiah
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Not that surprising given the English FA is probably the richest in football.
Would be interesting to compare historically, as I think the England manager is usually one of, if not, the highest paid in football.
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I'll hold my hands up on this one. I was one of those that was calling Southgate out. Those first four games were such an uninspiring slog with players seemingly choosing the safe pass over the brave one time and time again. It seemed to me that his cautious style was hampering the attacking strengths of one of the best squads in the tournament. Game by game though, personnel, formations and tactics have changed and you have to give him credit for that and recognising what wasn't working. The players aren't just more cohesive, their much braver. Passes that break lines and players, particularly defenders, shifting positions to join midfield in possession. That takes guts so maybe the fear was in the players all along for some reason. Maybe it was never Gareth. Either way, we've vastly improved and have a chance on Sunday, albeit a small one.
The only thing I would say is that if we play with a back three on Sunday against a side that will control the game, we're likely to end up with a back five as Saka and Shaw/Trippier spend more time defending than being dangerous at the other end. It could be a recipe for disaster. Equally, if Spain play a high line, is this a game for Watkins who can spin in behind? That's a hard call for a Spurs fan to make but it's definitely worth considering. Either way, I think we're going to need a massive slice of luck again to win. If Netherlands was one step up from the Swiss, Spain are like five steps up from the Netherlands.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Wahl - HDTD (U22962)
posted 7 minutes ago
Mourinho got so much furrrking shiiit from Spurs fans for boring performances but reached a final in only a year into the job - was denied a trophy by the trigger happy Levy.
Southgate reaches a final and is a furrrking hero. Go figure.
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Ultimately results are what got Mourinho the sack just as they did at Roma. Levy cares more about top 4 than trophies and at the point of sacking we looked out of the top 4 race.
posted on 11/7/24
Build him a statue. Twice as many major finals than all other England managers combined.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Build him a statue. Twice as many major finals than all other England managers combined.
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Needs to win something first.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
So……….
Would YOU want him managing YOUR club?
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No but I’m happy with him managing my national team
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Wahl - HDTD (U22962)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Mourinho got so much furrrking shiiit from Spurs fans for boring performances but reached a final in only a year into the job - was denied a trophy by the trigger happy Levy.
Southgate reaches a final and is a furrrking hero. Go figure.
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Again - I didn’t Slag Mourinho constantly tell Devonshire (aka Daniel Levy’s JA account) that sacking Jose 6 days before a final was monumentally stupid.
The problem in the Spurs fan base is that we have a hard core who are all about style over substance. Offer them a jammy 1-0 Champions league final win with a schitt performance or a 5-4 loss with Spurs outplaying the oppo and being feigned for their level of play and they will take the latter - it’s one of the biggest things holding the club back, some of our fans won’t accept winning ugly
posted on 11/7/24
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
posted on 11/7/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
I say this as a Scotsman.
I'm happy for England and their fans to have reached a second consecutive final, there's no other game in which your humbling can be so delicious.
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I think not getting through the group stages whilst barely registering a shot on target and getting stitched up by one of the worst sides in the tournament in the dying seconds is as humbling as it gets
posted on 11/7/24
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
I say this as a Scotsman.
I'm happy for England and their fans to have reached a second consecutive final, there's no other game in which your humbling can be so delicious.
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I think not getting through the group stages whilst barely registering a shot on target and getting stitched up by one of the worst sides in the tournament in the dying seconds is as humbling as it gets
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Well, we have already beaten Spain in this Euro campaign, will you?
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
I say this as a Scotsman.
I'm happy for England and their fans to have reached a second consecutive final, there's no other game in which your humbling can be so delicious.
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I think not getting through the group stages whilst barely registering a shot on target and getting stitched up by one of the worst sides in the tournament in the dying seconds is as humbling as it gets
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Well, we have already beaten Spain in this Euro campaign, will you?
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Wasn’t that 15 months ago?! And they played their second string - no Yamal (he was still in nursery), no Pedri, No Olmo, even Morata wasn’t playing ffs
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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We were 60 seconds away from being knocked out by Slovakia without having had a shot on target.
Football often has fine margins but this alone means there’s a chunk of luck attributed to Southgate this campaign.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Southgate fans - "Best England manager ever"
Also Southgate fans - "Wouldn't want him anywhere near my club"
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Spurtle
Won't have it Strike, everything we do this tournament is in spite of Southgate, not because of him.
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It’s a stupid argument, so I’m not surprised you agree with it Neo
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Genuinely lolled there
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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Show me where I said world class?
I have explained that I dont want him at Spurs because the whining from other fans about style would grate too much.
I can put up with the whining for 4 weeks a year when it comes to country
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
posted on 11/7/24
Not English so my opinion is imo only, I like Gareth as a bloke, speaks well and has no nippy qualities I’ve seen or heard, he’s done so well getting to Semis and finals consistently so he obvs has some quality and skills but and it’s a big but I do wonder if another manager who had the same access to the level and quality of players he has might have done as well as he has done ?
Now there’s no way of knowing this to be fair and they might have done worse or maybe won something already but if he wins Sunday then it’s all moot and he deserves kudos, I have felt the level of international football world wide last 5yrs or so has been slightly lower than before but you can only work with what you face.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
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Fair point Strike but to be fair Fergie did have to work with a fairly dreadful squad against some good teams
I do however also agree that club and international football management are very different, they have large gaps between games and don’t have any impact of players form, fitness or how they feel and tourneys are often at the end of a long hard season
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
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Fair point Strike but to be fair Fergie did have to work with a fairly dreadful squad against some good teams
I do however also agree that club and international football management are very different, they have large gaps between games and don’t have any impact of players form, fitness or how they feel and tourneys are often at the end of a long hard season
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I would be fine with trying a new manager if a top one was available, I see little point in trading for Howe or Potter who have a Swedish cup and League cup runners up medal between them
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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Exactly, club football is a different beast.
Let’s not forget even Fergie couldn’t get Scotland through a group stage
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Fair point Strike but to be fair Fergie did have to work with a fairly dreadful squad against some good teams
I do however also agree that club and international football management are very different, they have large gaps between games and don’t have any impact of players form, fitness or how they feel and tourneys are often at the end of a long hard season
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I would be fine with trying a new manager if a top one was available, I see little point in trading for Howe or Potter who have a Swedish cup and League cup runners up medal between them
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Oh for sure, a job the size of England wouldn’t be easy to fill, some fans only want an Englishman to have the job and even if not most of the really top managers still want to be involved in a day to day job at club level
If Gareth does leave after this tourney it will be interesting who the FA would bring in?
posted on 11/7/24
I completely respect Gareth Southgate i want him to well, i always respected him after that penalty miss and the old pizza hut adverts.
However England are Manchester City we should be winning every tournament and we have not won anything.
We look too much at the past, rather than the here and now.
We had a "golden generation" so did Portugal, France, Italy, Spain. It is about moments in time.
We are now in international waters where the ONLY competition is France. Every other team can not compare to us that includes Spain on Sunday.
We are Manchester City playing a Barcelona on sunday we should be winning.
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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What are your thoughts about Deschamps, Lowe, Fernando Santos? On an international level they are undeniably world class.
Wouldn't want them at Spurs - I'd much rather the international underachievers like Nagelsmann or Flick.
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I don't know if they are world class or not. I know they have won something at international level though, something Southgate hasn't done yet. Do you think they would have won something with their countries by now were they given the same draws and quality teams Southgate has had? I would say probably yes.
Now if he beats Spain that will obviously change things and he will have to be given credit. So far his tactics in at least two previous tournaments have been our undoing when it came to getting into the World Cup final in 2018 and winning the final at the last Euros. His legacy hinges on this up coming game. If we win and I have my doubts then it shuts me up, and if he doesn't then he has ultimately underachieved.
posted on 11/7/24
I find it interesting to note Gareth is the highest paid manager of the whole lot at the Euros. Even Nagelsmann.
Southgate's done pretty good tbf but he's not the messiah
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Lucky old Southgate now has 9 wins in the knockouts - to put that into context, that’s more than every other England manager combined since Sir Alf.
Spurtle wants him sacked and replaced with Eddie Howe or Wizard Potter though
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Southgate the world class manager according to Strike. But wouldn't touch him if it came to Spurs.
I'm still not seeing why they couldn't do good jobs either? Give them easy qualifying groups, good groups at tournaments, nice draws at KO stages and a top team and see if they do any worse. They might even get us to play better and have a better win % against the higher ranked opponents.
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Show me where I said world class?
I have explained that I dont want him at Spurs because the whining from other fans about style would grate too much.
I can put up with the whining for 4 weeks a year when it comes to country
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Wow, I thought the reason was because you just didn't rate him so much at club level compared to international level. You would actually have him then if you could guarantee fans wouldn't be moaning about him?
posted on 11/7/24
comment by Bãleș left boot can't stand Spain (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it interesting to note Gareth is the highest paid manager of the whole lot at the Euros. Even Nagelsmann.
Southgate's done pretty good tbf but he's not the messiah
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Not that surprising given the English FA is probably the richest in football.
Would be interesting to compare historically, as I think the England manager is usually one of, if not, the highest paid in football.
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