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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
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By being emotionally distanced from England's performance.
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It's much easier when you're just happy to be there or even qualify in the first place!
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
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By being emotionally distanced from England's performance.
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It's much easier when you're just happy to be there or even qualify in the first place!
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Unless you’re Scottish.
Wouldn’t be against Carsley myself, and he’ll have worked with a good few of this squad already I think.
the U21s euros finals was very similar to how the senior team played against Italy and Spain. conceded a lot of possession and shots and hoped to cling on.
Big difference of course is that they managed to get over the line but after that game on Sunday I'm not sure I can get behind "so Plan A better" when it feels like we really need a complete change in the way we approach these ties
We’ve generally played good attacking football under Carsley.
Give Carsley the nations league games and of he doesn't batter Ireland and Finland 8-0 then sack him so football will come home again.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
We’ve generally played good attacking football under Carsley.
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sure but most of our qualifying games are against minnows right? 7-0 against Luxembourg, that kind of thing.
more interested in how much his teams stick to those principles against the best sides since that's where's we're currently lacking
We need to try with Potter or Howe first before we give it to the Englishman pretending to be Irish.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
We’ve generally played good attacking football under Carsley.
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sure but most of our qualifying games are against minnows right? 7-0 against Luxembourg, that kind of thing.
more interested in how much his teams stick to those principles against the best sides since that's where's we're currently lacking
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We did in the tournament as well from what I saw. Playing Spain is a different matter, it’s an issue given their culture of possession football.
Seems like he’s quite adaptable to his players which I think is valuable in international football. Whether he can manage the players and the media in a senior role is a different matter, though. It’s the skills most required to be England manager because they will fail without it.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
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Like Luis de la Fuente?
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Well Luis de la Fuente has an incredible platform to build on - something implemented culturally well over 20 years ago and built by some elite managers.
I don’t think Carsley is walking into the same set up. He has a platform of failure and high expectation. Needs someone exceptional to manage that
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
I hope we don't qualify for the next wc or lose to a couple of low ranked teams in the group stages...we were a ping pong header away from going into extra time in the final and only lost the last final on penalties... too many clown england fans need a reality check
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
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Didn't we literally just do that successfully with Southgate?
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
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Didn't we literally just do that successfully with Southgate?
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Exactly.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
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Didn't we literally just do that successfully with Southgate?
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Successfully?
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Who f*cking cares? We almost went out but didn't due to a last minute goal!?? Since when has that ever been relevant?
Unless you are willing to move heaven and earth to shift your goalposts that is.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Yeah belliingham knocked it up from the back, provided the assist whilst making sure we were only 1-0 down at that stage. Then went onto scoring from a header and building a brick wall in goal.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Who f*cking cares? We almost went out but didn't due to a last minute goal!?? Since when has that ever been relevant?
Unless you are willing to move heaven and earth to shift your goalposts that is.
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Exactly.
We scored too early in the final against Italy, we scored too late against Slovakia. LOL.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Who f*cking cares? We almost went out but didn't due to a last minute goal!?? Since when has that ever been relevant?
Unless you are willing to move heaven and earth to shift your goalposts that is.
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They said about going out in the last 16, not me. I was just saying how we almost did. Sorry if that offended you.
According to Spurtle, Portugal didn't win the 2016 Euro's cos only one of their goals came in normal time.
wouldn't have qualified for wc 2006 if not for beckhams last min goal against greece
would have gone to pens against belgium if not for platts last min goal in italia 90
etc. etc.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
According to Spurtle, Portugal didn't win the 2016 Euro's cos only one of their goals came in normal time.
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Not that you aren't exaggerating at all but a Portugal side that actually won the tournament, where England failed to?
You Southgate fanboys are trying your best, I'll give you that.
Some people really will say anything on here.
This inference that somehow Bellinghams goal somehow doesn’t count is truly laughable. I’d prefer to think it’s a great attitude where our heads didn’t drop.
It’s like all this bollox about getting easier draws, when we got them because we actually won the group.
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posted on 16/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
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By being emotionally distanced from England's performance.
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It's much easier when you're just happy to be there or even qualify in the first place!
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
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By being emotionally distanced from England's performance.
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It's much easier when you're just happy to be there or even qualify in the first place!
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Unless you’re Scottish.
posted on 16/7/24
Wouldn’t be against Carsley myself, and he’ll have worked with a good few of this squad already I think.
posted on 16/7/24
the U21s euros finals was very similar to how the senior team played against Italy and Spain. conceded a lot of possession and shots and hoped to cling on.
Big difference of course is that they managed to get over the line but after that game on Sunday I'm not sure I can get behind "so Plan A better" when it feels like we really need a complete change in the way we approach these ties
posted on 16/7/24
We’ve generally played good attacking football under Carsley.
posted on 16/7/24
Give Carsley the nations league games and of he doesn't batter Ireland and Finland 8-0 then sack him so football will come home again.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
We’ve generally played good attacking football under Carsley.
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sure but most of our qualifying games are against minnows right? 7-0 against Luxembourg, that kind of thing.
more interested in how much his teams stick to those principles against the best sides since that's where's we're currently lacking
posted on 16/7/24
We need to try with Potter or Howe first before we give it to the Englishman pretending to be Irish.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
We’ve generally played good attacking football under Carsley.
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sure but most of our qualifying games are against minnows right? 7-0 against Luxembourg, that kind of thing.
more interested in how much his teams stick to those principles against the best sides since that's where's we're currently lacking
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We did in the tournament as well from what I saw. Playing Spain is a different matter, it’s an issue given their culture of possession football.
Seems like he’s quite adaptable to his players which I think is valuable in international football. Whether he can manage the players and the media in a senior role is a different matter, though. It’s the skills most required to be England manager because they will fail without it.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
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Like Luis de la Fuente?
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Well Luis de la Fuente has an incredible platform to build on - something implemented culturally well over 20 years ago and built by some elite managers.
I don’t think Carsley is walking into the same set up. He has a platform of failure and high expectation. Needs someone exceptional to manage that
posted on 16/7/24
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
posted on 16/7/24
I hope we don't qualify for the next wc or lose to a couple of low ranked teams in the group stages...we were a ping pong header away from going into extra time in the final and only lost the last final on penalties... too many clown england fans need a reality check
posted on 16/7/24
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
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Didn't we literally just do that successfully with Southgate?
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
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Didn't we literally just do that successfully with Southgate?
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Exactly.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
posted on 16/7/24
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
I love how suddenly De La Fuente is all the rage and that basically all we need to do is copy the appointment process Spain made and we’ll mirror what they did…..
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Didn't we literally just do that successfully with Southgate?
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Successfully?
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Who f*cking cares? We almost went out but didn't due to a last minute goal!?? Since when has that ever been relevant?
Unless you are willing to move heaven and earth to shift your goalposts that is.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Yeah belliingham knocked it up from the back, provided the assist whilst making sure we were only 1-0 down at that stage. Then went onto scoring from a header and building a brick wall in goal.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Who f*cking cares? We almost went out but didn't due to a last minute goal!?? Since when has that ever been relevant?
Unless you are willing to move heaven and earth to shift your goalposts that is.
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Exactly.
We scored too early in the final against Italy, we scored too late against Slovakia. LOL.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by mx4 (U23184)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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Based on the players and draw we had, compared to similar circumstances between 1968-2016, then the last 16
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Well we were about to if not for Bellingham. But there's no way against Slovakia we SHOULD have with what we had to work with.
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Who f*cking cares? We almost went out but didn't due to a last minute goal!?? Since when has that ever been relevant?
Unless you are willing to move heaven and earth to shift your goalposts that is.
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They said about going out in the last 16, not me. I was just saying how we almost did. Sorry if that offended you.
posted on 16/7/24
According to Spurtle, Portugal didn't win the 2016 Euro's cos only one of their goals came in normal time.
posted on 16/7/24
wouldn't have qualified for wc 2006 if not for beckhams last min goal against greece
would have gone to pens against belgium if not for platts last min goal in italia 90
etc. etc.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
According to Spurtle, Portugal didn't win the 2016 Euro's cos only one of their goals came in normal time.
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Not that you aren't exaggerating at all but a Portugal side that actually won the tournament, where England failed to?
You Southgate fanboys are trying your best, I'll give you that.
posted on 16/7/24
Some people really will say anything on here.
This inference that somehow Bellinghams goal somehow doesn’t count is truly laughable. I’d prefer to think it’s a great attitude where our heads didn’t drop.
It’s like all this bollox about getting easier draws, when we got them because we actually won the group.
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