comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Additionally, we never went into a tournament with the best squad. Something often missed.
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posted 51 seconds ago
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posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
I think we're closer to winning something than we've ever been. I would not be surprised if in the near future, say the next 10 years, someone else could reach another semi/final and maybe even win it.
The idea that Southgate is like the best we can do is stupid.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.
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It’s hilarious. And people wonder why England fans get called arrogant.
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While I agree that English fans have often overrated the players and the team in the past (I can't remember the pundit that famously quipped that no German player could get into the English team in 2010, before England got hammered), I think we're at a time when English fans should expect more from the team.
The players England have now, they cannot compromise on high expectations. Heading into the 2002 World Cup, I recall the entire nation of Brazil wanted Scolari sacked for underwhelming results. Nothing other than winning that World Cup would have made Scolari keep his job. Not even glorious failure in the match against England where Ronaldinho got sent off. He had to win. They weren't going to accept excuses for why a team with Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos and Cafu couldn't win the World Cup. And they won it at a canter. England have the best attacking players in the world and they have to bring that to bear in these competitions.
The idea that Southgate is like the best we can do is stupid.
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Has anyone even said this? Anywhere? Ever?
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
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Yes I do, what makes you think I don't?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 13 seconds ago
The idea that Southgate is like the best we can do is stupid.
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Has anyone even said this? Anywhere? Ever?
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Darren pretty much said it above yes.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Additionally, we never went into a tournament with the best squad. Something often missed.
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England did in these Euros and were everyone's betting favorites with France.
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posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
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Yes I do, what makes you think I don't?
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The way you denigrate every achievement of Southgate whilst whilst simultaneously blaming him for every failure I imagine.
Whatever people think of Southgate I doubt anyone can deny this tournament England were pretty terrible. Only won two games in 90 mins, were a Bellingham clutch goal from going out in the second round to Slovakia and played some of the ugliest football of the tournament and rarely played with any urgency except when going a goal down in 4 straight games.
I thought the football England played in 2018 was probably the best I’ve seen under GS. This Euros was probably the writing on the wall it had to be the end for him.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
A Bellingham clutch goal
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 32 seconds ago
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
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Yes I do, what makes you think I don't?
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The way you denigrate every achievement of Southgate whilst whilst simultaneously blaming him for every failure I imagine.
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I said somewhere else he's done well with stuff off the pitch and he's exceeded expectations from what people thought when he was first appointed. But I definitely feel he's been very overrated based on the stats.
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
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I agree. Of the names being touted, Carsley is the one I favour the most, for that very same reason.
Surprised Wiegman hasn't been linked yet.
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Additionally, we never went into a tournament with the best squad. Something often missed.
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England did in these Euros and were everyone's betting favorites with France.
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No that isn’t true France had been touted as the best squad as always and there were a lot of people saying Germany’s was better. The betting favourites means nothing, England are always the betting favourites.
Wiegman would be my first choice, based purely on the strokes and heart attacks it would induce among supporters of Reform UK.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
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Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
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By being emotionally distanced from England's performance.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wiegman would be my first choice, based purely on the strokes and heart attacks it would induce among supporters of Reform UK.
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This is a good one actually.
Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
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Like Luis de la Fuente?
Kyle Walker was superb during the tournament, easily the best right back who played***
*** obviously not UEFA
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
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Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
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Not necessarily. Look who the manager of Spain and Argentina are. And Southgate himself went on to have the best record of any England manager.
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Additionally, we never went into a tournament with the best squad. Something often missed.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
posted on 16/7/24
I think we're closer to winning something than we've ever been. I would not be surprised if in the near future, say the next 10 years, someone else could reach another semi/final and maybe even win it.
The idea that Southgate is like the best we can do is stupid.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.
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It’s hilarious. And people wonder why England fans get called arrogant.
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While I agree that English fans have often overrated the players and the team in the past (I can't remember the pundit that famously quipped that no German player could get into the English team in 2010, before England got hammered), I think we're at a time when English fans should expect more from the team.
The players England have now, they cannot compromise on high expectations. Heading into the 2002 World Cup, I recall the entire nation of Brazil wanted Scolari sacked for underwhelming results. Nothing other than winning that World Cup would have made Scolari keep his job. Not even glorious failure in the match against England where Ronaldinho got sent off. He had to win. They weren't going to accept excuses for why a team with Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos and Cafu couldn't win the World Cup. And they won it at a canter. England have the best attacking players in the world and they have to bring that to bear in these competitions.
posted on 16/7/24
The idea that Southgate is like the best we can do is stupid.
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Has anyone even said this? Anywhere? Ever?
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
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Yes I do, what makes you think I don't?
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 13 seconds ago
The idea that Southgate is like the best we can do is stupid.
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Has anyone even said this? Anywhere? Ever?
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Darren pretty much said it above yes.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Additionally, we never went into a tournament with the best squad. Something often missed.
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England did in these Euros and were everyone's betting favorites with France.
posted on 16/7/24
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posted 32 seconds ago
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posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
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Yes I do, what makes you think I don't?
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The way you denigrate every achievement of Southgate whilst whilst simultaneously blaming him for every failure I imagine.
posted on 16/7/24
Whatever people think of Southgate I doubt anyone can deny this tournament England were pretty terrible. Only won two games in 90 mins, were a Bellingham clutch goal from going out in the second round to Slovakia and played some of the ugliest football of the tournament and rarely played with any urgency except when going a goal down in 4 straight games.
I thought the football England played in 2018 was probably the best I’ve seen under GS. This Euros was probably the writing on the wall it had to be the end for him.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
posted on 16/7/24
A Bellingham clutch goal
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posted 39 seconds ago
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posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?
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It’s just filler. I’d give it more credence if you were in any way, even remotely fair, but you’re not.
I mean do you count bad luck? No, no you don’t.
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Yes I do, what makes you think I don't?
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The way you denigrate every achievement of Southgate whilst whilst simultaneously blaming him for every failure I imagine.
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I said somewhere else he's done well with stuff off the pitch and he's exceeded expectations from what people thought when he was first appointed. But I definitely feel he's been very overrated based on the stats.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
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I agree. Of the names being touted, Carsley is the one I favour the most, for that very same reason.
Surprised Wiegman hasn't been linked yet.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Additionally, we never went into a tournament with the best squad. Something often missed.
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England did in these Euros and were everyone's betting favorites with France.
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No that isn’t true France had been touted as the best squad as always and there were a lot of people saying Germany’s was better. The betting favourites means nothing, England are always the betting favourites.
posted on 16/7/24
Wiegman would be my first choice, based purely on the strokes and heart attacks it would induce among supporters of Reform UK.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
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Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.
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There's a circular logic employed in all the England expectations.
We beat a team ---> the team was bad; it would have been a failure if we hadn't beat them. (Quite often this is the retrospective view even when lots of people express lack of confidence ahead of the match.)
We reach a certain stage in the competition ---> reaching the latter stages of the competition was the minimum expectation with this group of players / this draw.
We finally lose a match ---> we always lose when we meet a proper team.
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I really don't know how sensible England fans can put up with this every tournament!
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By being emotionally distanced from England's performance.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wiegman would be my first choice, based purely on the strokes and heart attacks it would induce among supporters of Reform UK.
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This is a good one actually.
posted on 16/7/24
Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
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Like Luis de la Fuente?
posted on 16/7/24
Kyle Walker was superb during the tournament, easily the best right back who played***
*** obviously not UEFA
posted on 16/7/24
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ali Gator (U23092)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.
I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.
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Who's to say attacking football is the answer though?
Southgate's record suggests he understands how to manage tournament football. Just because the armchair fans don't agree, his record speaks for itself.
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I agree. From an entertainment perspective it would be good to have someone more attacking, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will translate to performances, as plenty of other managers have shown in international football.
I’d like to see Carsley given a shot myself. The FA have done well with the pathway system they’ve set up for coaches and players in the England set up. It’s not led to a trophy, but we’ve come very close. I’d like to see them persist with something that’s obviously working at all levels.
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Surely we need someone with some experience of managing pressure, big matches, tournaments etc? Isn’t Carlsey just an unqualified risk at the very top level? A bit like Southgate who ultimately has shown to be tactically poor
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Not necessarily. Look who the manager of Spain and Argentina are. And Southgate himself went on to have the best record of any England manager.
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