To switch it around, how would Southgate have done managing the GG? He already played an unbalanced team for this Euros so little chance he does anything different with the Lampard/Gerrard problem. How's he going to manage the strong personalities of Terry, Lampard, Gerrard etc and the cliques found within that camp?

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 33 seconds ago
How would England fans feel with another foreign manager? I thought Sven was decent but underachieved. Capello was weird as he got England playing great stuff in the qualifiers and they battered lots of sides but the 2010 World Cup was shocking and he lost the players. Does the manager always have to be English now? Or should it be the best man whatever the nationality?
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Don't want a foreign manager. I've always felt that. It's cheating to get a top manager from elsewhere.

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
How would England fans feel with another foreign manager? I thought Sven was decent but underachieved. Capello was weird as he got England playing great stuff in the qualifiers and they battered lots of sides but the 2010 World Cup was shocking and he lost the players. Does the manager always have to be English now? Or should it be the best man whatever the nationality?
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Personally, I don't care about the nationality if the coach is the right fit. I'd love to see Klopp take the job.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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If that’s all you took from the final…

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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If that’s all you took from the final…
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That’s literally how we lost, it’s not up for debate.

Shame ffs

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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Why? If we'd won scruffy, nobody would care.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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If that’s all you took from the final…
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That’s literally how we lost, it’s not up for debate.

Shame ffs
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I mean, it is up for debate as the original point made was ‘there’s no shame in losing to them’ when in reality England had an opportunity to make their move at 1-1 and really go for it and Spain were there for the taking. But Southgate for some reason chose to sit back and Spain dominated the rest of the half and that late goal was just what a cowardly tactic deserved.

So yes, Spain are the better side but if all that is said after the game is ‘there’s no shame in losing to Spain’ when the reality is that England could have beaten them if they were braver then people who defend Southgate will never have to confront the truth of the matter. But you do you boo

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
How would England fans feel with another foreign manager? I thought Sven was decent but underachieved. Capello was weird as he got England playing great stuff in the qualifiers and they battered lots of sides but the 2010 World Cup was shocking and he lost the players. Does the manager always have to be English now? Or should it be the best man whatever the nationality?
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Personally, I don't care about the nationality if the coach is the right fit. I'd love to see Klopp take the job.
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This. I think a lot of southgates fans have the same attitude to this England squad that they used to have for the Spanish squad - that they aren't as good as people think. But with the right manager and tactical mindset these players can play better than they've shown

Greece the only team to have won the Euros or the World Cup with a foreign manager?

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
How would England fans feel with another foreign manager? I thought Sven was decent but underachieved. Capello was weird as he got England playing great stuff in the qualifiers and they battered lots of sides but the 2010 World Cup was shocking and he lost the players. Does the manager always have to be English now? Or should it be the best man whatever the nationality?
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All the big football nations employ local coaches. I mean, you have teams like Brazil and Argentina hiring national coaches without any experience coaching at the highest level of European club football. Often youth team coaches or ex-players without much coaching experience. A country of England's football pedigree should not be hiring foreign coaches.

Klopp as manager would be very interesting.

Liverpool fans - which of the current England squad would suit his style of football? What would be a typical Klopp 11

Sir Gareth

27% of England goals scored in tournaments was under Southgate’s tenure. What a great job he did.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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Nothing like "borderline offside". It's offside or it's not. You can't make out like a perfectly timed run was somehow lucky.

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posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
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It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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Nothing like "borderline offside". It's offside or it's not. You can't make out like a perfectly timed run was somehow lucky.
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That wasn't what happened though. It was literally a kneecap vs a toe nail.

comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
————

It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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If that’s all you took from the final…
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That’s literally how we lost, it’s not up for debate.

Shame ffs
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I mean, it is up for debate as the original point made was ‘there’s no shame in losing to them’ when in reality England had an opportunity to make their move at 1-1 and really go for it and Spain were there for the taking. But Southgate for some reason chose to sit back and Spain dominated the rest of the half and that late goal was just what a cowardly tactic deserved.

So yes, Spain are the better side but if all that is said after the game is ‘there’s no shame in losing to Spain’ when the reality is that England could have beaten them if they were braver then people who defend Southgate will never have to confront the truth of the matter. But you do you boo
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Riiiiight,

Do you think it’s possible that Spain simply upped their game once they conceded an equaliser?

They had two more shots on target than us, one of which resulted in a very late, borderline offside goal to win it.

That’s it, that’s why we lost, so no, it’s not up for debate because that’s how football works.

In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine.

I just re-read Robbs post and it’s basically ‘Why didn’t England just go and score again?’

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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
————

It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
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By the odd goal which was borderline offside
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Nothing like "borderline offside". It's offside or it's not. You can't make out like a perfectly timed run was somehow lucky.
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That wasn't what happened though. It was literally a kneecap vs a toe nail.
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Err....it's exactly what happened. It's like saying when a player scores a brilliant 25-yard strike that an inch difference is the shot contact point is the difference between the top corner and skying the ball and therefore it was somehow lucky. WTF does "borderline offside" mean?

Keep getting told we have a squad full of talent who are a match for anyone
Yet we were pretty garbage in the group stage, and against Slovakia, managed to scrape past the Swiss, beat a poor Dutch side, then ended up chasing shadows against Spain
Same story against Italy last time out, Southgate just didn’t have the answers once Italy took control of the midfield
He may be a good at man management and creating a good spirit but that’s where it ends at the top level

WTF does "borderline offside" mean?
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It means it’s on the borderline bud

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 26 seconds ago
I just re-read Robbs post and it’s basically ‘Why didn’t England just go and score again?’
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Very disingenuous as usual. The real question is why did England go back into their shell once they were on top? And you can brush it off and say Spain upped their game but that ignores all the previous history of Southgate using that tactic in all the big games he’s managed that England were knocked out in.

Perhaps you’re on the wum and I’m piiiising against the wind here but many others saw what I saw and will agree.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 44 seconds ago

Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
————

It’s how England lost that is where the shame comes in
----------------------------------------------------------------------

By the odd goal which was borderline offside
----------------------------------------------------------------------

If that’s all you took from the final…
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That’s literally how we lost, it’s not up for debate.

Shame ffs
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I mean, it is up for debate as the original point made was ‘there’s no shame in losing to them’ when in reality England had an opportunity to make their move at 1-1 and really go for it and Spain were there for the taking. But Southgate for some reason chose to sit back and Spain dominated the rest of the half and that late goal was just what a cowardly tactic deserved.

So yes, Spain are the better side but if all that is said after the game is ‘there’s no shame in losing to Spain’ when the reality is that England could have beaten them if they were braver then people who defend Southgate will never have to confront the truth of the matter. But you do you boo
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Riiiiight,

Do you think it’s possible that Spain simply upped their game once they conceded an equaliser?

They had two more shots on target than us, one of which resulted in a very late, borderline offside goal to win it.

That’s it, that’s why we lost, so no, it’s not up for debate because that’s how football works.
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There is no such thing as borderline offside. It was onside, end of story.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
WTF does "borderline offside" mean?
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It means it’s on the borderline bud
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So it’s an onside goal then?