comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
I reckon Southgate shaaagged Spurtle’s missus. It would explain his moronic opinions.
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The Southgate fanboy telling me my opinions are moronic.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
I reckon Southgate shaaagged Spurtle’s missus. It would explain his moronic opinions.
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The Southgate fanboy telling me my opinions are moronic.
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Kiss and make up right now you two.

Can't you see this is what the terrorists want?

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 12 minutes ago
In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine.


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That's more on the failing with England from years ago and the luck factor. When you boil it down and look at the how's and the why's, he's not doing anything that super impressive.
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of course it's impressive, the fact that he took over a job associated with 50 years of failure is only more evidence of that. I'm happy he's left too but your refusal to give him any credit is just ridiculous
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He's not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances. Good draws, good teams, a home tournament. They expanded on the teams which means there's an extra game to win before reaching a semi.

Looking back over his record, it stands up there as one of the best, stats can mask the way those results were achieved and how the routes in tournaments panned out.
Southgate was a steady 6/10 manager every game, but was too scared of losing and being braver in risking a win, always seemed slow to change & reacts late in games

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 18 seconds ago
I reckon Southgate shaaagged Spurtle’s missus. It would explain his moronic opinions.
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With dyed hair at the time
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There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 14 seconds ago
There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?

We tend to overestimate the impact of the coach during the game vs the impact of preparation before the game. England failing to "go for it" after the equalizer and Spain quickly reimposing themselves was much more, in my opinion, to do with the inherent superiority of their Plan A and their collective confidence than any adjustments, substitutions or instructions from the benches.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 14 seconds ago
There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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You see, you’re one of the England fans I’m talking about that vastly overrate our squad, and more importantly it’s balance.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine.


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The goat.
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Loads of conflicting stats with Southgate.

So longest winning run, longest run without losing, highest score line and think there are a few more too.

Flip side is I think he played a team that were at the time ranked top 10 25 times… he won four.

Personally I never gave Southgate pelters, I find England fans entitled and they grossly overrated our player ever. Single. Time… but I too think it’s time for a fresh approach now.
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We werent prepared well enough for this tournament.

The lineup, formation, tactics were chopped and changed as we strived to find some sort of performance.

For that I am hugely critical of Southgate.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.
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It’s hilarious. And people wonder why England fans get called arrogant.

Maybe Devon,

I actually thought it was quite brave to change the formation and put in a largely untested teenager in midfield… which ended up with us progressing to the final.

I wonder how many of the Southgate Out gang were in the boozer on Sunday singing about how much he turns them on?

I don’t think this squad is as good as maybe 1998 - 2010ish myself, certainly the first team.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 14 seconds ago
There’s something quite funny about getting to two European finals and a World Cup semi final, our best tournament progress ever in history, being described as ‘ not doing anything that we ordinarily shouldn't have with those circumstances’ that is highly amusing to me.
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So based on the players and draw we had, what stage should we have gone out at?
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You see, you’re one of the England fans I’m talking about that vastly overrate our squad, and more importantly it’s balance.
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Southgate was the one who helped imbalance it with his selections.

I don't feel I am vastly overrating the squad. I expected them to lose in the final and even thought they'd lose to the Netherlands, although the Netherlands were way more beatable than Spain. There is nothing in the other teams I felt should prevent us from getting through to the next round.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
We tend to overestimate the impact of the coach during the game vs the impact of preparation before the game. England failing to "go for it" after the equalizer and Spain quickly reimposing themselves was much more, in my opinion, to do with the inherent superiority of their Plan A and their collective confidence than any adjustments, substitutions or instructions from the benches.
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But our Plan A was to play very carefully with an inferior underdog mindset. Rarely in the whole tournament did we ever impose ourselves on anyone with a confidence that actually we're one of the top dogs. So we got a goal with a rare shot vs Spain and we both went to Plan A, just that theirs was more attacking and better executed than ours and ours was passive.

I'd say over the last few years England have been in the top six or seven international teams. Therefore, to his credit, Southgate has done better than par IMO. You can state he's had easy draws as much as you like but there's a reason those teams ended up where they did. In the last three tournaments he's won the group so there's no luck there. They did their job. Remember Switzerland knocked France out last time out for example.

We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.

Southgate did his job in the first few years. The job has since outgrown him.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
We tend to overestimate the impact of the coach during the game vs the impact of preparation before the game. England failing to "go for it" after the equalizer and Spain quickly reimposing themselves was much more, in my opinion, to do with the inherent superiority of their Plan A and their collective confidence than any adjustments, substitutions or instructions from the benches.
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But our Plan A was to play very carefully with an inferior underdog mindset. Rarely in the whole tournament did we ever impose ourselves on anyone with a confidence that actually we're one of the top dogs. So we got a goal with a rare shot vs Spain and we both went to Plan A, just that theirs was more attacking and better executed than ours and ours was passive.
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You don't seem to responding to my comment. You seem to be responding to a comment which was implying Southgate did an amazing job in tactical preparation.

Leaves with a very good record of reaching two consecutive international finals. Sadly, England fell short on both occasions, the recent being riddled with negative tactics and poor performances from a collection of players, some of whom are at the peak of their powers for their clubs. A more positive approach, a proactive approach to using subs (more quickly even) could have resulted in a different outcome, we'll never know. Gareth simply is too risky averse as a manager to win trophies.

Thank you, Gareth, but with such a talented squad of players we should be doing far better.

Two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments is by far our best run of results in our history.

I’m hopeful we can get someone that can get us playing more attacking football, but I’m pretty confident we won’t match that record in the next four tournaments.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
We all recognise Pep as one of the greatest ever managers but in eight seasons at City he's 'only' reached two CL finals. Southgate reached two finals in four. It's not exactly the same of course but worth bearing in mind. Cup football is fine margins.
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Right. But when you start bringing up luck then the Southgate fanboys shoot you down.
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Yeah because it’s contrary bollox
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Luck doesn't exist in football then?