comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they’d beaten Brazil in 2002 I think it was Turkey next. I’m sure they would have made that final.
In 2006 I think they’d have beaten that Dutch team but either way I think practically all the sides Sven lost to in the knockout games as England manager were better than the sides that England lost to in all of Southgate’s tenure. Barring perhaps France in 2022.
Coincidentally Spain beat Croatia, France and Italy in this tournament who were all the nations that England lost to under GS. Doesn’t really mean anything other than a quirky stat.
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 41 seconds ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the last WC we saw two CL-winning coaches flop with their national sides (including the country who just won the Euros, with a side that on paper looked more impressive than this year's squad). For me, the point is that leading a national team in a summer knock-out tournament provides different conditions, different challenges, and we shouldn't assume that the Best Available Coach is the right fit. The national team job emphasises man management skills, because you're trying to mould a team out of players who don't know each other well. International football makes sophisticated collective patterns of movement difficult to achieve (and therefore risky to deploy) because of how little time they have to train. It has also disproportionately rewarded reactive, defensively cautious sides. I'm sure we could have seen a more attractive England side over the last few years, but I think it's quite a stretch to assume that the alternative timeline manager who emphasised proactive, attacking football over caution (while lacking Southgate's cultural skills) would have performed better than two finals and one semi-final in three tournaments, even with the same, kind draws.
Good news. The best thing for England going forward providing the FA don't fack it up.
He did better than most people's expectations and did aspects of his management well but mostly stuff off the pitch. On the pitch he's just not good enough.
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 25 minutes ago
Time to go back in for a foreigner, unless Potter is available to take the job.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What do foreigners do better in the past? Southagtes England record and enthusiasm far better than Ericsson and Capello. Stick to people who actually cared
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they’d beaten Brazil in 2002 I think it was Turkey next. I’m sure they would have made that final.
In 2006 I think they’d have beaten that Dutch team but either way I think practically all the sides Sven lost to in the knockout games as England manager were better than the sides that England lost to in all of Southgate’s tenure. Barring perhaps France in 2022.
Coincidentally Spain beat Croatia, France and Italy in this tournament who were all the nations that England lost to under GS. Doesn’t really mean anything other than a quirky stat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair Southgate has outperformed Deschamps at the last two Euros. Could he perhaps have done better? Yes. Have the results been par or better under Southgate? Also yes, IMO.
As someone said he was the right manager to take over after the shocking Roy Hodgson but overstayed his tenure as England manager by a couple of years. It’s probably time to move on from Kane too you’d think. Wouldn’t be surprised if he retired from international football too. Or at the very latest after the World Cup.
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 16 seconds ago
As someone said he was the right manager to take over after the shocking Roy Hodgson but overstayed his tenure as England manager by a couple of years. It’s probably time to move on from Kane too you’d think. Wouldn’t be surprised if he retired from international football too. Or at the very latest after the World Cup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he isn't going to retire from international football until he is like 38
My guess is Potter, Lampard, Carsley… in that order
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
Lampard would be cronyism personified.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also state Southgate was unlucky too as Pickford saved two pens v Italy in the final and England still lost.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That England side in those last two group games of 2004 against Croatia and Switzerland (?) played some of the best football I’ve seen England ever play. I wonder if Rooney didn’t get injured how far they’d have gone?
Gotta be Tuchel or Potter?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also state Southgate was unlucky too as Pickford saved two pens v Italy in the final and England still lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Going 1-0 up against Italy in a home final and having one further shot on target in 120 mins was more the reason they lost that in fairness.
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 37 seconds ago
Gotta be Tuchel or Potter?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
England winning a World Cup with a German manager would make me smile so so so much
I’d be horrified if Lampard was even on the shortlist
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also state Southgate was unlucky too as Pickford saved two pens v Italy in the final and England still lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was in a final though, we're talking about how managers like Sven weren't even able to get that far, and it was a home tournament and a decent path to get there for Southgate. He also manufactured his downfall in the shootout by subbing players on with not enough time to touch the ball, to take pens, which they missed.
Why on Earth would Tuchel manage England?
He been getting paid about £10m a year in club football.
Can we get a moment of silence for Strikemug?
he's running out of clubs to manage tbf
I'd take Potter - happy to ignore hid time at Chelsea as an anomaly.
I want a manager that prioritises playing to our strengths, so that's a no to Tuchel.
Southgate will be a hard act to follow.
People drone on about the style, but who really cares? Tournament football is all about results and we did enough to get to back to back Euro finals and a world cup semi final.
Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
Names such as Howe, Potter, Gerrard or Lampard offer absolutely no more excitement to me.
How would England fans feel with another foreign manager? I thought Sven was decent but underachieved. Capello was weird as he got England playing great stuff in the qualifiers and they battered lots of sides but the 2010 World Cup was shocking and he lost the players. Does the manager always have to be English now? Or should it be the best man whatever the nationality?
Sign in if you want to comment
Southgate stepping down
Page 3 of 13
6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they’d beaten Brazil in 2002 I think it was Turkey next. I’m sure they would have made that final.
In 2006 I think they’d have beaten that Dutch team but either way I think practically all the sides Sven lost to in the knockout games as England manager were better than the sides that England lost to in all of Southgate’s tenure. Barring perhaps France in 2022.
Coincidentally Spain beat Croatia, France and Italy in this tournament who were all the nations that England lost to under GS. Doesn’t really mean anything other than a quirky stat.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 41 seconds ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the last WC we saw two CL-winning coaches flop with their national sides (including the country who just won the Euros, with a side that on paper looked more impressive than this year's squad). For me, the point is that leading a national team in a summer knock-out tournament provides different conditions, different challenges, and we shouldn't assume that the Best Available Coach is the right fit. The national team job emphasises man management skills, because you're trying to mould a team out of players who don't know each other well. International football makes sophisticated collective patterns of movement difficult to achieve (and therefore risky to deploy) because of how little time they have to train. It has also disproportionately rewarded reactive, defensively cautious sides. I'm sure we could have seen a more attractive England side over the last few years, but I think it's quite a stretch to assume that the alternative timeline manager who emphasised proactive, attacking football over caution (while lacking Southgate's cultural skills) would have performed better than two finals and one semi-final in three tournaments, even with the same, kind draws.
posted on 16/7/24
Good news. The best thing for England going forward providing the FA don't fack it up.
He did better than most people's expectations and did aspects of his management well but mostly stuff off the pitch. On the pitch he's just not good enough.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 25 minutes ago
Time to go back in for a foreigner, unless Potter is available to take the job.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What do foreigners do better in the past? Southagtes England record and enthusiasm far better than Ericsson and Capello. Stick to people who actually cared
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they’d beaten Brazil in 2002 I think it was Turkey next. I’m sure they would have made that final.
In 2006 I think they’d have beaten that Dutch team but either way I think practically all the sides Sven lost to in the knockout games as England manager were better than the sides that England lost to in all of Southgate’s tenure. Barring perhaps France in 2022.
Coincidentally Spain beat Croatia, France and Italy in this tournament who were all the nations that England lost to under GS. Doesn’t really mean anything other than a quirky stat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair Southgate has outperformed Deschamps at the last two Euros. Could he perhaps have done better? Yes. Have the results been par or better under Southgate? Also yes, IMO.
posted on 16/7/24
As someone said he was the right manager to take over after the shocking Roy Hodgson but overstayed his tenure as England manager by a couple of years. It’s probably time to move on from Kane too you’d think. Wouldn’t be surprised if he retired from international football too. Or at the very latest after the World Cup.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 16 seconds ago
As someone said he was the right manager to take over after the shocking Roy Hodgson but overstayed his tenure as England manager by a couple of years. It’s probably time to move on from Kane too you’d think. Wouldn’t be surprised if he retired from international football too. Or at the very latest after the World Cup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he isn't going to retire from international football until he is like 38
posted on 16/7/24
My guess is Potter, Lampard, Carsley… in that order
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
posted on 16/7/24
Lampard would be cronyism personified.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also state Southgate was unlucky too as Pickford saved two pens v Italy in the final and England still lost.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That England side in those last two group games of 2004 against Croatia and Switzerland (?) played some of the best football I’ve seen England ever play. I wonder if Rooney didn’t get injured how far they’d have gone?
posted on 16/7/24
Gotta be Tuchel or Potter?
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also state Southgate was unlucky too as Pickford saved two pens v Italy in the final and England still lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Going 1-0 up against Italy in a home final and having one further shot on target in 120 mins was more the reason they lost that in fairness.
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 37 seconds ago
Gotta be Tuchel or Potter?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
England winning a World Cup with a German manager would make me smile so so so much
posted on 16/7/24
I’d be horrified if Lampard was even on the shortlist
posted on 16/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m sure Sven would have made a couple of finals if he had a better draw in his tournaments.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would he though? One of the criticisms of Southgate is that he loses to the first decent side he meets. Same applies to Sven. Had they beaten Portugal in their QFs they'd have faced Netherlands (2004) and France (2006) in the SF. No guarantees there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sven was also a bit unlucky though. Injuries to players made it more difficult. Campbell goal disallowed too which would have seen us beat Portugal in 2004. People talk about the GG and it was but we didn't have the same squad depth as we do now nor did we have any top keepers. If Pickford was around then we'd have got past at least one of the shootouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could also state Southgate was unlucky too as Pickford saved two pens v Italy in the final and England still lost.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was in a final though, we're talking about how managers like Sven weren't even able to get that far, and it was a home tournament and a decent path to get there for Southgate. He also manufactured his downfall in the shootout by subbing players on with not enough time to touch the ball, to take pens, which they missed.
posted on 16/7/24
Why on Earth would Tuchel manage England?
He been getting paid about £10m a year in club football.
posted on 16/7/24
Can we get a moment of silence for Strikemug?
posted on 16/7/24
he's running out of clubs to manage tbf
posted on 16/7/24
I'd take Potter - happy to ignore hid time at Chelsea as an anomaly.
I want a manager that prioritises playing to our strengths, so that's a no to Tuchel.
posted on 16/7/24
Southgate will be a hard act to follow.
People drone on about the style, but who really cares? Tournament football is all about results and we did enough to get to back to back Euro finals and a world cup semi final.
Spain were the best team in the Euros by a country mile, no shame in losing to them.
Names such as Howe, Potter, Gerrard or Lampard offer absolutely no more excitement to me.
posted on 16/7/24
Should be Lee Carsley.
posted on 16/7/24
How would England fans feel with another foreign manager? I thought Sven was decent but underachieved. Capello was weird as he got England playing great stuff in the qualifiers and they battered lots of sides but the 2010 World Cup was shocking and he lost the players. Does the manager always have to be English now? Or should it be the best man whatever the nationality?
Page 3 of 13
6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10